Summary
Billionaires like Marc Andreessen, Elon Musk, and Vivek Ramaswamy are spreading false claims to discredit the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau (CFPB), a federal agency protecting consumers from fraud and abuse.
Andreessen falsely accused the CFPB of politically motivated “debanking,” despite no evidence.
This rhetoric aligns with the “DOGE” project, led by Musk and Ramaswamy, which aims to slash government regulations and programs under the guise of efficiency.
Critics warn this effort will harm public services, benefit billionaires, and push privatization at the expense of ordinary Americans.
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Well the economy would be more efficient without the capitalist class, although I get the feeling DOGE isn’t going to reccomend we switch to a Syndicalist economy.
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Remember kids, they want the government gone because they want to become the government to enrich themselves.
More accurately they want to become the oligarchy. Like in Russia.
I think this is partly why they got the stupid gomers thinking that Russia is some fantasy zone for white right wing xtian nationalists. For the oligarchs, Russia’s set up is a dream, so they have to find stupid voters to vote against their own economic interests for backwards identity politics reasons…so they make Putin out to be sympathetic towards xtians and homophobia and “whiteness” for the benefit of the rubes in the U.S.
For the oligarchs, Russia’s set up is a dream
Until they get defenestrated
The US is already an oligarchy. The difference between “oligarch” and “billionaire” is whether they are from Eastern Europe or Western.
You ain’t seen a real oligarchy yet.
But wait, President Musk is the edge lord Id like to be, he’s also a genius, he wouldn’t lie.
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Oh no, what will we do if billionaires control the U.S. government.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_of_1893 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_of_1907
And those are just J.P. Morgan.
Is your point that this is fear mongering, or that the struggle between classes has been an ongoing fight for most of recorded history?
The latter. I mean, America was founded by a tobacco company and people so weird in their religiosity, they were kicked out of 17th century Europe.
I do think we can solve the oligarch problem. So, part of me was like, “We’ve met this challenge before, motherfuckers.” It wasn’t meant to dismissive but I’m pretty sure I could open hand slap Elon Musk and 24 of his 38 kids would feel it.
Wish I had your optimism. Hand it over.
On a more serious note, I truly believe that enriching & modernizing our education system is the way to go for dethroning our billionaire overlords. We can’t just expect slap dash imploding submarines to do all the work.
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All billionaires must go by any means necessary.
Americans will not destroy the military or the police state. We need those to do harm against our enemies and to punish the undeserving.
Rich people are like other rich people, more than they are like their fellow countrymen, or ethnic group, or religious group. Anything a billionaire says is good for “everyone” needs to be understood in that light: the “everyone” they see are “all the people I associate with”, meaning “other rich people”.
All you have to do is convince the ignorant, unwashed masses that you’re speaking for them, not about them, and they will let you have whatever you want.
People don’t want policies. They don’t even want demagogues. They want a set of jingling keys in front of their face. That’s what they’ll pay attention to.
Doesn’t matter, had shinies.
But wait, they’re all wearing Tshirts instead of suits on these podcasts. Are you saying that doesn’t mean they’re one of us?
The government has attacked me and my people throughout my life via the war on drugs using the “justice system”.
Kind of hard to be invested in a organization like that.
The CFPB and the DEA are a wee bit different, though. You can be angry at the latter and still want the protections of the former.
While frustration with the status quo is understandable, abandoning the mechanisms of government only cedes power to those who are already disproportionately influencing it—special interests and billionaires. The government, flawed as it may be, is still the primary tool, and often the only tool, for enacting systemic change. By participating—through voting, organizing, and holding leaders accountable—citizens can challenge the status quo and push for reforms that better reflect the collective will.
Change doesn’t come from disengagement; it comes from working within and improving the systems that already exist. To give up on these mechanisms is to forfeit the opportunity to make meaningful progress.
Gaurenteeing that’s exactly what we will do. Hopefully i be mostly dead.
You really think those fuckheads are going to kill their cash cow?
There’s always profit to be extracted, especially from slaves.
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Why bother with the middleman?
~Bezos
Because as it stands right now there are rules to be followed to get maximum payout. After the orange fuckwad is seated that could change but only time will tell
Sometimes history shows oligarchs breaking stuff to make more money for themselves: trade patterns, movement of people, social safety nets, previous methods of doing business.
I think we all got so used to the modern times that it’s hard to image this still happening, but on a bigger scale.
Or, it could be mostly empty threats now, designed to manipulate the markets. We saw Trump scares during his last term in office, particularly near the end, that would deliberately scare enough people to make bank in stocks and bonds. Scaring a nation is very profitable.
Probably both types of things.
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Are you crazy enough to be implying that your own government is your enemy? Public administration is necessary to any kind of social coordination and the reason you were able to leave that comment
Yeah, takes like this are crazy. Is the government my enemy? In the sense that we’re spiraling towards a fascist regime with an incoming administration that has members who have literally called for “a genocide of trans people,” absolutely.
But that’s an issue of the government falling apart due to the kinds of people who would be the warmongers lording over the Libertarian paradise that most of these people call for with their PMC, not because the government simply exists. And this branch in particular is one of the ones doing the most to protect the common person from those same warmonger wannabes.
Without branches like this, companies would be dumping chemical waste upriver of towns again.
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I’m not from the US, so I don’t care about your founders.
History books, and biology as well mind you, actually say that the actions of a group of individuals working together have more power than those of individuals working alone, and in any coordinated effort there is a subsection of the group that takes care of the whole and marks the pace. Throughout history the civilizations that managed to thrive and leave their mark were those whose governing body was efficient and effective, and there’s no denying that. You may be able to wrangle your friends and coordinate them without a specific administrative role, but try doing that with a group of people surpassing the hundreds of millions and you will have a problem.
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Ooooh nice, an enlightened Libertarian, and one that thinks that Americans are special, unique little snowflakes, different from the rest and immune to the rules that have historically governed the entirety of humanity for millennia
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And this thread is about governments in general, and their necessity in enforcing these social contracts you’re referring to.
For some reason it doesn’t surprise me that you don’t believe in history beyond 1776
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Stopping your historical studies before things like the end of chattel slavery and the start of the industrial revolution seems like a bad idea. You might have missed one or two significant events.
Pick up a history book
Collective action (government) is the only thing preventing you from being ruled by someone else’s collective action
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You were just arguing against this kind of government, but now you are all for it? Make up your mind. ‘the bill of rights’ means nothing without a government enforcing it.
In any case, this shows just how ignorant you are to the world around you. Documents protecting the rights of the populace aren’t exclusive to the US, nor were they the first to write them, look up the magna Carta, written in medieval times; or the Hammurabi code, one of the first written legal documents that protected the weak and the vulnerable.
What’s more, most countries today also have these protections written in their respective constitutions, so this whole “the US is special” talk is just propaganda you ate
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Again, most countries have these protections as well. The USA is not special in this regard. Most countries have a document detailing the rights and duties of the people along with the obligations and limits to the state. And obviously, these documents are intrinsically linked to the government and would fail to prove valuable in its absence. In layman’s terms, you can’t have your bill of rights ‘protecting people from the government’ without having a government in the first place, as the mere document itself is a product of governance and part of the social contract
The founders would routinely rape their slaves and participated in scalping. They were day drunk all the time because one of the best ways to clean water was to make it into beer. They didn’t believe in bathing, they thought washing the grime off would let the bad airs in and make them sick.
They were day drunk all the time because one of the best ways to clean water was to make it into beer.
I need to take issue with this part because that is simply not how things worked. The ale that was being made at the time (and had been made and drunk by people for centuries before then) instead of water had an extremely low alcohol content. Even a small child would have to drink a LOT to get tipsy.
It was generally drunk the day after it was brewed, so it didn’t really have ages to ferment into a potent alcoholic drink. People did drink to get drunk, of course, but drinking small ale/small beer rather than water was not how they did it.
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It’s not irrelevant. They’re saying that the people you hold up as some kind of supremely enlightened few of a special era, were in fact products of their time who believed in a lot of silly things with no basis in science/reality, and committed many atrocities themselves.
I was a die-hard libertarian when I was 18. Then I learned a lot more about how the government actually functions. The more you know, the more painfully obvious it becomes that, not only is democratic government extremely necessary to support a civilization of our size, but also that uncoordinated government is literally impossible at scale. Try to lead a group of 20+ people in any activity and the importance of coordinated leadership will become evident very quickly.
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The government that I am a part of, the society that I am a part of, actually has a problem with rape, torture, and murder.
Are you sure about that?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enhanced_interrogation_techniques https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sterilization_of_Native_American_women https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lists_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misogyny_and_mass_media https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_in_the_United_States#Public_opinion
No… I’m not. Governing people and leading people are the same thing. I’m referencing doing it at two different scales. As you go up in scale, the rules change. Things like authoritarianism, socialism, libertarianism and communism work for small groups of people, but not when you start getting into populations in the millions.
“If true” hooooooly shit you just live in a different reality, huh.
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Where do you think Jefferson’s Black descendents come from? Who do you think paid the bounties for scalps? Germ theory wasn’t invented yet, they didn’t know why beer was safe to drink or why they needed to bathe. Settlers thought it was strange how the natives would strip naked and bathe in rivers - so uncivilized! Unlike Europeans, who would bathe as little as possible as to preserve their modesty.
All of this is easily looked up.
Your idols were evil morons. Read a history book.
Unlike Europeans, who would bathe as little as possible as to preserve their modesty.
Literally just spreading grade-school level misinfo because you never progressed past that level of understanding of history, lmao.
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Ah yes, the independent thought and nuance of repeating the propaganda fed to you by your own government. You’re such a free thinker!
I recommend reading Lies My Teacher Told Me. Then, when you finish that, A People’s History of the United States.
But I doubt you’ve ever read even one history book that wasn’t assigned to you by a teacher.
As an Anarchist I also hate the government, however this will not bring anything good. Maybe in a best case scenario they could destroyed the government and then accedently destroy themselves but thats useless without a complex network of left wing organizations that could replace the government.
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Government is the easiest thing to corrupt, and that corruption is billionaires. The only reason they exist while 90% are living paycheck to paycheck is that the government is either absent or is not functioning properly.
Agreed to the fact the Nazi Germany was a government but far worse was feudalism. Government with unbridled billionaires and businesses is just that with extra steps. Jsut to make ot palatable for the modern senses.
wow big take there sir
they can’t even tie their own shoes
