There is no way this is the same guys who went after Scientology, however, I do love whoever they are. We need more people fighting fascism.
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Yeah… I’d be real careful getting started by joining a particular irc server known for anything.
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I was part of anon in the mid-2000s hahaha. It was a blast. I met a lot of really cool people!
Fuck, I wish we heard more about chaotic good hackers like this more often. They’re like our modern day super heroes in some regard to me.
I think they caught most of them from back when they were more active (2009-2012) or at least were more in the public eye.
The ones that didn’t get caught went underground and stopped working together as ‘anonymous’
Lulzsec comes to mind
Twitter is working fine, “blackouts” aren’t what they used to be. DDOS attacks aren’t really hacking, and would barely interrupt services at the level today’s “anonymous” has access to.
People claiming to be anonymous hackers very slightly inconvenience whoever’s still on Twitter.
I’m no fan of Musk, but something more powerful needs to be done.
Voting. Voting could have been done. I know it sounds trite and overly simplistic, but that’s the power We The People have, as set up in the founding of our country. We just have to use it…
How many people sat out in 2024, as everyone politically-engaged screamed that a Trump administration would be bad for the economy, bad for Palestinians, bad for Ukrainians, and bad for America (because it might literally elect a fascist dictator who will enact Project 2025 and refuse to give up their power)? Several thousand? That sounds reasonable, right? Maybe up to hundreds of thousands? Maybe even a million people…? No. 90 million people who were eligible to vote in the presidential election didn’t vote by mail, ignored the election drop boxes, and sat at home on Election Day.
That’s enough to beat any entrenched political coalition opposed to progress. That’s not some “pie in the sky” fantasy, we literally had the numbers to accomplish every single political agenda that actually helps working Americans:
#If “Did Not Vote” was a candidate:
I say this all without an ounce of schadenfreude. I genuinely don’t want to hurt the faces of the people who voted for the leopards, not least of all because we all suffer along with them. I will keep shouting this point because we have to do better in the future. Voting isn’t always fun, but it’s the first and most powerful defense against a wannabe dictator like Trump or Musk. I literally don’t care how “not excited” you are about the candidate that doesn’t want to tear the US apart, you need to vote, and vote against fascism.
That’s our only hope going forward…EDIT: Okay, maybe it’s not our only hope, but it’s where we have to start.Billionaires will never allow you to vote away their power.
Never
I guess we should actually try it first before succumbing to defeatism in advance, no? There’s a lot more of us than there is of them… What is it people say about the 4 Boxes to be used in defense of Liberty:
- soap
- ballot
- jury
- ammo
“Please use in that order.”
(That’s a quote from Frederick Douglas)
Exactly. We’ve never actually used our voting privileges. Not really.
Whenever I hear the argument that voting doesn’t do anything, I cringe.
When people show up (not just for presidential elections), shit gets done.
But Muricans are lazy and expect others to do the work for them
Australia has mandatory voting and the mining industry still owns this country.
Just because America makes it cheap to buy an election doesn’t mean it could ever be unaffordable.
I’m not saying that it would solve everything.
But if you look at the areas of this country with higher turnout, you also see better social programs, ect
We suck at doing our part because we’re taught to not care.
we also have heavy voter suppression in red states, otherwise most states will have voted dem down the line. your country doesnt have such a systemic attack on voting. the gop know full well if they let everyone voted, they would always looks like 70% of the time. instead its more or less 40-50% they lose. theres a reason voting machines are never adopted in blue areas, they are easily hacked.
soap
ballot
jury
ammo ←←←
You are here.
Oh? Did people show up to vote when we told them how important it was? No? Hmm, then I guess we didn’t actually try the ballot box yet…
I guess you’ll just have to vote harder champ! I’m sure if you can just convince everyone to vote harder enough, this time, bloviating about how smart you need to be to engage in “strategic voting”, even when that strategy has been demonstrated to fail, it’ll be different this time! Its not you or the Democrats that need to change. No. It could never be that.
Any time now. Any time.
The fact you’re so defensive about this speaks volumes. Your condescension doesn’t change the fact: 90 million people didn’t vote. We could have prevented this, easily, but they couldn’t be bothered…
I can repeat it, but I can’t understand it for you. We had 2 separate candidates. I’m sorry neither swept us off our feet, when everyone warned what was coming. Perfect? Of course not, but still better than the fascism and corruption we’re witnessing as they tear our country and alliances apart…
Did you know mining billionaires is a great way to recover stolen power and resources?
Making a note of this for a theoretical speedrun…
we literally had the numbers to accomplish every single political agenda that actually helps working Americans
Great! Now all you need is a candidate who runs on that.
Don’t let great be the enemy of good
Do you want to win?
Well, we’re certainly not winning now.
That should tell you something.
Narrator: It didn’t.
2024 was the biggest decline in votership (relative to the previous election: eg, participation) of the previous 40 years.
Democrats:
Sure looks to me like both Dems and people who couldn’t give enough of a shit to prevent fascist oligarchy are at fault. And neither side is likely to take responsibility for their actions in this lifetime.
I’m sure looking forward to a significantly increased chance of my loved ones dying violent deaths because non-voters wanted to “send a message” in a manner that has never resulted in positive change in modern history. /S
Do you want to win, or do you want to believe you are right in regards to electoralism and strategy.
You have to choose. You don’t get to have both.
You have to choose. You don’t get to have both.
That’s a nice false dichotomy that you’ve got there. Be a real shame if someone pointed it out.
Do you want to win, or do you want to believe you are right in regards to electoralism and strategy.
As stated elsewhere and implied above, unlike anti-electoralists/accelerationists, I want trans people to not face repression and murder, and for overall levels of human suffering to decrease. Humans are not tools to be used and discarded as your means to an end. The ideology is literally that screenshot of Lord Farquaad from Shrek stating:
Some of you are going to die but that is a sacrifice that I’m willing to make.
Attempting to increase human suffering in the hope that it magically leads to class consciousness and, in-turn, a violent revolution, in ways that have never occurred in documented human history, is pretty much just collaborating with fascists. Even if it were to cause an overthrow of the current order, the data shows that the odds of a left-of-center government replacing it, much less one that is stable enough to stand against external and internal threats from the elite, are questionable at best.
Chomping at the bit for mass violence and refusing to use all tools to avoid it is saying that you don’t care about those who suffer most from war, the non-combatants. You know, the workers, elderly, disabled, and other vulnerable populations that leftists generally care about. In the Second World War, for example, non-combatants suffered three times the deaths of those who were fighting, with less than half attributed to the Holocaust. Most of these deaths don’t occur because of bombings and collateral damage. No, the civilian deaths in war come from disruptions to civil infrastructure leading to outbreaks of preventable disease, famine, and lack of clean water (the sorts of things causing loss of life in the ongoing Palestinian genocide).
So, anytime that you think about advocating against electoral solutions, I ask that you be honest with yourself and others, clearly stating that you:
- support increasing unnecessary human suffering as a tool to try to reach you preferred utopia
- have no evidence that it will do anything to benefit humanity or even achieve your preferred utopia (and in fact, there is plenty contrary evidence)
- are ok with risking the installation of a fascist oligarchy
- are not sufficiently bothered by the impact and loss of life to those who are disabled, LGBTQ+, POC, or any other vulnerable group to even try to avoid it
Its not a false dichotomy when it is what happened. The rest of your points aren’t’ worth responding to because they are projection and not arguments I’ve made.
You have a choice and it seems like you’ve made it. You’ve decided to sacrifice the ability to win elections because you’ve convinced yourself that the only thing you’ve tried, the route that lost 2024, is the only route available to you.
You don’t actually have other options. You truly and faithfully only have two: you can do things the way you’ve done them before; or you can do them some other way.
The DNC tried your approach in 2016. It gave us Trump. They shifted in 2020 and took a big tent approach, where the candidate changed their policies and courted the voters to grow their constituency. It worked, they won. They tried your approach in 2024 again, it failed, we got Trump.
You want voters to be different than they are. The data we have shows your approach to electoralism doesn’t work. We’ve got the reciepts. Negative 6 million votes. Thats what your approach is worth. We will continue to lose elections to republicans if we continue to rely on your approach to this matter.
YOU are the one who needs to be honest with themselves. If you goal isn’t to win the election, what is it that I can infer you are even doing here? You want to pretend you’ve got some kind of moral or academic high ground when you are the very reason that all of the aforementioned groups are under threat.
It’s strange how there’s a north/south divide there.
Is it possible to take down the server’s that back Tesla’s? Just hinder voice commands, maps, software updates, telemetry, the mobile app, etc.
That’d be fun.
If the computer exists it can theoretically be compromised, it just depends on the resources of the individual or group attempting to compromise it. For example, the US Government created Stuxnet targetting the completely airgapped computers which operated centrifuges in Iran. They created brand new malware, loaded it onto flashdrive and sprinkled said flashdrives near the target, then sat and waited then observed their nuclear refinement centrifuges fail way more rapidly than they should effectively killing their nuclear program
Remember that time Anonymous fought Scientology? That’s why we don’t have Scientology anymore.
Can’t tell if sarcastic or not.
Yeah, Scientology is still quite powerful but they were exposed for a lot during that attack.
Plus, this isn’t the same group of people. Anonymous was never a set group of hackers or anything, it was a catch all name used back in the day to keep anonymity, and then later on a bunch of edgy dorks decided to pretend they were an actual organization
I spoke out about Scientology and now have unmarked cars/vans outside my house daily (off and on for a year)… I was perma banned from Reddit for speaking my truths… it’s effing terrifying!!! Fuck Reddit and the cesspool they are creating! It’s embarrassing!
I hope that what you’re saying is true and that you aren’t experiencing some kind of breakdown.
I say that from a genuine place of concern AND, it breaks my heart that we live in a world where someone has to worry about such things.
It wouldn’t surprise me if Scientologists were stalking you, but I’ve been making fun of them online for 20+ years and I’ve never had this problem.
Were you born into Scientology? If you were, yeah, they’re probably stalking you. Same if you joined the cult at any point in your life.
Film this shit and ask people to confirm you’re dealing with this.
No breakdown, was never born into it but spoke out against my friends and family in that joke of a church/cult and now it scary! Because they targeted me on social media… I dropped everything but now Lemmy.
I believe you in documenting the encounters I have, I honestly never thought to document because I legit just felt like they were turn on me and make me be the bad guy. But honestly with everything going on… Miscaviage showed how ridiculous the “religion” is with him making shit up! They legit believe in some sort of alien…. Coming to “save them” … I still have friends in the “cult of Scientology”. And levels that don’t exist because their cult is garbage, he’s in it for money!
The difference is probably that they spoke up about their friends and family joining. Scientology is incredibly petty and well-known for stalking and harassing critics. In particular, during Operation Freakout they tried to get their critics put in mental hospitals, so it’s kinda their SOP to make it look like their critics are having a mental breakdown. You might be safe criticizing Scientology anonymously online, but if you’re annoying them in a specific way (e.g. trying to convince specific people to leave), and they know who you are, I can absolutely see them messing with you.
I really wish cults would vanish from this planet.
Humans and religion though. :/ Tale as old as time.
You give them a persecution complex and oh boy!
if you were in the scientology cult, yea they want to keep thier secrets within the cult.
Instead of facing black pieces of paper to DOGE, we can just sign their emails up for so many spam mailing lists. So many that legit emails get lost in the chaos
I fucking HATE that there is a typo. 😡
Those things always have at least one typo. That’s how you can tell they’re legit.
I guess it fits the bill for hackers not to be concerned with things like proof reading lmfao
In the old days, hackers were also fans of lexicology, etymology and other nerdy word stuff. Now that they’re into anime, it has some unexpected drawbacks (but they make cute emojis, I guess).
They’re all too neurodivergent now 😔
What are you trying to say here? That neurodivergent are lesser humans?
Elon Musks’ social media outlet*.
They’ve DDoS’d X/Twitter?
Surely they just clicked the ‘X’ button and it closed itself down?
Apparently that’s what the news is saying
Wow, good for them. Way to roll in to save the day after the fascists took power. Too bad they didn’t do something when it could have made a difference.
Looks to me like they’re doing a lot more about the problem than all of the protest voters that caused it are doing.
Like what? I get wishing things never got to the stage they are at, but what do you wish a bunch of unorganized hackers did earlier? Genuinely curious as I’m not good enough at coding to think of any creative “solutions”
Take out X when it was spewing disinformation about the election? Hit Facebook for the same reason? Do it when it would have mattered
Anonymous
Now that’s a name I haven’t heard in a while
Yes more more more!!
Every inch is important.
They’re doing what we should all be doing. Particularly those obsessed with the 2nd amendment, since this is literally what it was made for.
Dirty little secret they don’t want to admit is 2A was for the military. Not meal team six.
I was expecting the Spanish Inquisition, but I’ll allow it.
nobody expects the spanish inquisition!
Oh, you think you’re clever, do you?
THAT’S IT. BRING OUT… THE COMFY CHAIR!
Makes me wonder,
Similar to all the peeps 20 years ago in the SETI@home movement, where you could donate your CPU/bandwidth.
Is there any ‘safe’ way to donate and collectively protest on the internet by signing up to a botnet?
low orbit ion cannon and friends were tools for participating in anon ddos ops back in the day, but it wasn’t exactly safe – without a vpn your isp and other intermediaries can see your traffic, and the host can see your ip address. with a vpn you’re in part dosing your vpn, depending on the attack
no idea how anon organizes such things these days
How do you join a DDoS these days?
Is LOIC and HOIC still a thing?
Or what are the cool kids doing
Haha I ran the LOIC. I also wonder what the kids are up to.
I love every sentence they have in the first picture
Probably what the Democrats should’ve said
