Bénédicte de Perthuis, the judge who sentenced Le Pen for embezzling EU funds and barred her from running in France’s 2027 presidential election, was placed under police protection on Monday night over alleged death threats she received, domestic press reported.
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You’re arguing for a democracy without a Justice system?
An independent Justice system is fundamental to a working, healthy democracy.
Just look around to where and how Justice system is weakened by political parties and it’s always developing into autocracy and oppression.
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She broke the law and is punished for it. Why is this so hard to understand?
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Basically, popular people shouldn’t need to follow the law?
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Marine Le Pen demands a lifetime ban from office for politicians convicted of crimes committed by abusing their position (2013, French with auto-generated subtitles).
You are confusing something with another political system.
Since ancient Greek times, where democracy was invented, severely unlawful behaviour was always being punished by also revoking political rights: offenders would loose both the right to vote and the right to represent others or hold any kind of public office.
And all of this exactly so as to protect the democracy itself.
This garbage needs to stop. The “not-elected beurocracy” is comprised of civil servants who often reject better paying positions in the private sector in order to contribute to the society they live in.
This vilification of civil servants is part and parcel of reactionary right wing movements, who can’t stand people in decision making positions not being subservient to their particular partisan reactionary project. A good recent example is the insane opposition to the 15 minute city concept on the right. As if a traffic planner in the municipality trying to create walkable cities is some evil plant of the ‘deep state’ or some other insane garbage.
Those ‘beurocrats’ are the ones making the wheels of your nation’s public sector turn, they are the ones providing public services to people who need them to survive, independent of who’s in power. Vilification of public servants is and always will be the domain of the reactionary impulse. You hating that pig Jean-Marie doesn’t change this fact in the slightest. You should really reconsider this position if you actually hold leftist sentiments.
You’re blaming the court for what she did.
There is a law saying that for corrupted politicians a temporary election ban is a possible sentence. This women and her accomplice stole 4 millions Euro, that’s a lot of money. Not allowing her to be elected for 5 year sounds like a way to protect taxpayer money for money. It’s also not unique to politicians, French law can also ban someone from managing a company (Executive who stole money, or ignore regulation leading to serious accidents). What’s the alternative a longer jail sentence meaning she’ll actually go to jail ? (and campaigning from jail sounds like a great way to miss an election). if I steal 4 millions, I’d get jail-time not just an election ban.
Moreover, Le Pen, and a lot of right wingers, are the one who pushed law for harsher punishment and appeal not postponing the sentence so they’re getting a taste of their own medecine.
Finally, While a dozen of Rassemblement National politicians are banned for election, the party isn’t banned. It’s not the first not the last time that a politicians who could have run for president ends-up found guilty of stealing taxpayer money leading to not being able to run for election. There is a long range between a serious potential candidate and a president. if the RN doesn’t play too much Game of Throne to get the candidate position, they may even come in a stronger position for 2027 election
The rule of law is not against democracy, it is the other way round: courts protect people and democracy from unlawful actions. In democracies (with all four pillars of power intact), no politician and no criminal stands above the law, even if those play their usual “victim” role, when caught.
If politicians do not want to be convicted by court, they should not break the law. Seems to be a simple rule to follow.
The decision of the court has been taken following laws established by the Parliament. The punishment for convicted crimes and felonies are not pulled out of thin-air by a judge doing whatever he feels like.
If LFI feels that ‘ineligibility’ is not a suitable punishment (and indeed it is subject to some controversy, as it can indeed in theory be used to surpress political opponents), they should push to change the law. I don’t recall if RN+LFI have an actual majority but they should be close enough that they could push to amend existing legislation if they want to, rather than slander judges or question the independence of justice (which again, if they want to improve that they can also suggest legislative changes).
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Right-wing should be defeated in the election and on the streets, not in the court.
This is not about defeating the far right, this is about temporarily preventing several politicians who misappropriated public money thanks to their position from gaining access to positions that would allow them to commit a repeat offence. (Let’s keep in mind that they’ve not even expressed regret about what they’ve done, instead they’ve spent all the trial playing the martyrs.)
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The decision had nothing to do with the RN’s political leaning. Nothing. It’s beside the point.
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The RN will still be able to take part in the presidential election. Nobody’s forbidding them to take part in the election. For example, the RN’s current president, Jordan Bardella, has not been convicted or even prosecuted (even though he was one of the fake assistants!), and is free to try to run for the election.
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The court is simply applying French law. It is not going against democracy. Le pen and her party broke the law and attacked democracy.
The judges didn’t invent and apply their own stuff, they applied the same law yhat appllies to everyone and punished le pen and het party within the boundaries of the law.
Actually, Le Pen demanded herself that politicians who were convicted for embezzlement or corruption should be stripped from their right to run in elections - for the rest of their life. Le Pen got only 5 years which is less than what she demanded.
Source: https://correctiv.org/spotlight-newsletter/feiern-wir-zu-viel/#grafik-des-tages
What’s stopping me from illegally winning the election then? Where do you draw the line ? Isn’t the additional money here already an unfair advantage compared to your opponents ? Let’s not act like the extra money was not used to further the party goals elsewhere. There is no such thing as “a fair debate of opinion” and whatever bullshit. They break the law, they get caught, they pay for it. And they where happy to vote this very law 10 years ago. Do not generalize the left with your opinion, I disagree with LFI completely here.
Marine Le Pen isn’t the first prominent French politician to be disqualified from public office. Since it stopped being automatic, it has already affected big names such as like her father, Nicolas Sarkozy, Jacques Chirac, Charles Pasqua, and Bernard Tapie.
This isn’t exclusive to right-wing politicians; the disqualification penalty has been imposed by French justice on several dozens of elected officials and public representatives since 1992. It was in 1992 that the concept was introduced into French law. It was even applied automatically for a series of offences until a reform in 2010. Since then, it’s a standalone penalty that must be decided on by a judge. It can last up to 5 years for an offence and 10 years for a crime. Here is a small selection of well-known male and female politicians who have been sentenced to this penalty (listed alphabetically).
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I have no idea what “patsoc cave” is and why should I crawl here.
