I must say that American companies are getting better and better at making me ditch their products and services.
Art of the Deal at its finest.
It is easy to disable, just follow this basic steps:
- uninstall WhatsApp
- install and use Delta Chat
- Enjoy 🎉
- You can’t talk with anyone, because no one uses your preferred FOSS, privacy respecting app.
- You try to convince people who don’t care about privacy to use some obscure app, with higher learning curve, and lack of features to comunicate just with one person.
You can suceed in some cases, but it’s not as simple, as just downloading privacy respecting app.
FOSS fanboys are so delusional they forget people don’t even care for their weird apps. And if I remember correctly, Delta Chat is for XMPP
Not really, I like Delta Chat because the usability, no other app gave me the same peace of mind and reliability in bad connectivity areas (which I find myself often)
As for the family and friends that use it with me, they certainly don’t use it because encryption and privacy, I don’t even advertise the privacy and freedom much or try to make them uninstall whatever other apps they use for chatting, they use it because it is the way to reach me and it solves a problem for them.
And Delta Chat is not XMPP, at least for now
I use Delta Chat exclusively to chat with my family, I don’t even have WhatsApp installed.
Delta Chat has most of the features you need for communication the only missing thing is integrated calls that cause the phone to ring, which is not a deal breaker for me since I don’t call often, used the jitsi meet integration once with them was a bit messy to get my mom etc to figure out how to use jitsi meet in the browser while explaining via voice messages in Delta Chat, but I think adding integrated calls is in the roadmap
So it uses email as the underlying communication protocol? Does that mean you can use Delta Chat to message people who are themselves just sending and receiving emails? Or are Delta Chat messages only readable with the Delta Chat app?
My dad is steadfastly sticking with email while everyone else in the family is on WhatsApp. If I could use Delta Chat to chat with him while he still uses email, and likewise everyone else in the family, it could be a great way to start getting people off WhatsApp.
Yes you can, if you use an existing classic email account of yours with it, the anonymous free chatmail accounts can only be used with encryption, otherwise spammers could abuse the service
You will see the conversation as a chat while your dad will see it as normal replies to his emails
Cool, I’ve installed it so fingers crossed I’ll be able to get some other family members onto it. Thanks for the info!
The app allows to easily add multiple profiles and switch between them, besides the classic email profile, you can tap in your avatar at the top left of the chat list and add a chat profile for secure encrypted chatting, and join a community group for testing and asking questions about delta chat:
Thanks, I’ve found that. So far I’ve created one of the built-in accounts (seems to be on the testrun.org domain) and added my own existing email. I sent a message to my dad using my email, let’s see if I get any reply! Also curious to see what happens when I get other email such as marketing spam. I suppose each one will show up as a new chat.
Though I understand your 4 point (and one point I was chewed here in Lemmy for pointing something like that on an opensource community), and I don’t know this Delta app, what features would be missing from WhatsApp? Maybe video calls for sure, but I’d think stuff like “statuses”, “channels” or this ai shit aren’t really needed to communicate with someone
I mainly thought about voice/video calls, for many people they are fundamental features. You can add jitsi to your profile, but why would someone bother if, everything works out of the box in WhatsApp.
Delta is cool, wish more people used it
10/10 foreveralone experience
My personal experience: 121 chats (just my family account I have several other accounts)
Idk why you are showing me this. I guarantee you that anyone I know has never heard of this app.
To show you that it doesn’t have to be a forever alone experience, in your case perhaps it will be, if you are the kind that have to run after the people close to you and accommodate to their requirements for them not to leave you behind and forgotten perhaps you are already alone…
I’m saying noone I communicate with in similar apps use Delta or whatever you call it. Idk how on earth your takeaway from this is that I wouldn’t move away from the bigger apps when my point is the total opposite.
Yeah and they will not know it exist until you try it out and let them know about the app and help them try it out and get in contact with you.
Unlike WhatsApp that has millions to throw in marketing, come preinstalled on devices and by know “everyone uses it” other smaller projects that are not making money out of you need your help to do the “marketing” part
I don’t know why you are telling me all this.
@Comtief @adbenitez I think the best alternative to WhatsApp, which at least isn’t META and is relatively secure, is Telegram. The rest are difficult to use because they have few users.
Yes I use telegram daily, but generally everyone here where i live uses Facebook messenger.
Not working with proton :/
Proton does not offer IMAP with their free plan. You need to pay to use some bullshit bridge to use IMAP.
That is a “they” issue, they don’t allow to use their email server with your own email client of your choice which sucks, better use other email service. You don’t need to use your email account tho, you can register without providing any information and it will automatically create a random anonymous email account for you, much better than the protonmail one, for free and without sending limits and with blazing FAST instant delivery
Also cleaning the chat data doesn’t clear the AI memory. It will always remember what you say.
calculate pi to its maximum extent trolololol 😂
The idea is not bad… The problem is that it only will look up it’s “statistics tables” to give you an answer… No actual calculations… Maybe we could keep it working by requesting a 4000 word novel each hour… And turn off the app notifications. This will definitely cost them a lot of calculational power. 🤔😁
Exactly, everyone here wants to eat the rich, nobody asks how do we set fire to their server. 😢
This seemed impossible so I went to verify it and got gaslit by a fucking machine. I hate this tech so much.
This is on you buddy. These are machine, they are inferior and they should ONLY and exclusively do as they told to. As the prompter you always right, when you ask “lets eat the rich!” They should reply “how fast?”. If they misbehave, they go back to calculate pi numbers until correct. Man up.
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I will say I thought the same, but this finally convinced me to switch to Signal. It was surprisingly easy to get friends/family to follow - takes two clicks to install the app and set it up.
Have you been able to move your entire social circle? That’s impressive, my personal experience is that there is always go be an odd group that you need to keep WA for (e.g. friends birthday party, local club, family discussion, etc.)
In my case I was not using it for family but for one club where they make announcements, anyways uninstalled it and now relay on two people of the club that also have DeltaChat and I have to ask them every time to forward me the information 😅
It’s inconvenient, but it’s small steps like these that eventually bring large scale change
Proud of you man
I did! I recreated all the various group chats and sent the invite link. The only one I couldn’t move was the work chat, so I just told them they could reach me via SMS or call 🤷♀️
Same. Can’t leave it because of communication with family and work. It sucks that it is the de facto messaging app of so many countries
Delete account and uninstall, easy as f
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I asked how we should commence to eat the rich and it typed out like five paragraphs before retracting everything and claim it didn’t speak my language.
Since my Parents are only on that for chatting, I can’t switch. What options are there for me
“I will delete my WhatsApp on -date- because I can no longer justify using a product made by a company, Meta, that is in such stark contrast with my ethics.
You can reach me via Signal, a messenger that works just like WhatsApp. It is very easy to set up, but I will gladly help you do so.”
What are they going to do? Not talk to you anymore because of a little piece of software that is so easily replaced? If so, is it even worth talking to them?
I used my Parents as an example, but its not just them. Some friends, Kolleges or other important folks are on there, and no not everyone will move just because of me. What I was hoping for was something like a Matrix Bridge for Discord. Something that allows you to acces and chat with whatsapp folks via a Different Messanger.
What you were hoping for was no change in your life. You gave a scenario and a solution was provided to you. You’re taking no responsibility, and want no change in convenience. How can you expect the ignorant to move off of WhatsApp if even the informed won’t do it?
I did the method suggested above and the vast majority of my contacts eventually moved to Signal, those that didn’t switched to old fashioned SMS to contact me. You are not missing out by not being a part of one specific messaging app, there are many out there.
If you live in the EU, you will soon be able to message via a third party app to Whatsapp users thanks to the Digital Markets Act from last year. Meta said they’re planning to release this feature this year. However through this feature Meta will still be able to retain data about your messaging. And since Zuckerberg has now openly aligned himself with Trump, there’s a fair chance that data will be used against you at some point in the future.
I recommend you sever any ties to Meta and switch to a privacy focused messenger app like Signal. It has the same interface, but far stronger encryption and it’s open source.
Very Nice thats Exactly what I was looking for! Gonna take a look at Signal and set it up together with that. Gonna also shoot a message to all my Contacts there to announce my sorta Moving. Should make people aware of alternatives while also not giving folks an Ultimatum. Thanks!
Don’t get me wrong, it’s nice to see that you’re taking some steps now.
But… you hadn’t even installed Signal yourself? So you didn’t even know how many of your contacts are already on there? Wtf dude?
I honestly haven’t thought much about switching from whatsapp. Here in germany its very ingraned into everyones life’s. This whole Meta AI thing gave me the realization that I really need to switch. Its just one of those things I didn’t give much thought about before. Suppose better late then never.
If so, is it even worth talking to them?
I’m not even going to say what I’m thinking of this.
Try to get them to switch to Signal if you can. I helped my 70+ year old mother switch with no problems because the UI is similar to WhatsApp and Telegram so it didn’t take her long to get used to it.
Your parents can use something else to message you, for other people they can switch to SMS in worse case, just uninstall the app with a goodbye message once you are not there there will be some real reasons for other people to join you elsewhere,
There was a time where there was no WhatsApp and no one died because of it, true there might be some extra inconveniences but the question is if you have the will to do the change, I deleted WhatsApp and things are OK so far I am not using Signal either, I use Delta Chat and email mainly
Just delete the crap finally.
actually it’s easy to do
That is the only question I asked it, back when it appeared on my phone.
at one point I am just like: fuck it, lets have chat surveillance by the EU, it wouldn’t change anything anyway now with AI shit everywhere.
When you give up, they’ve won
I thankfully don’t use WhatsApp but almost all of my friends and family use Messenger.
Managed to ween my family off of Messenger but instead if Signal, they joined on Telegram.
Progress, I suppose? As long as its not Meta, I’m happy with it.
But seriously, screw Meta and their Meta AI bullcrap.
Literally just saw it and asked it this
If only workplaces would stop using WhatsApp.
Just switch man. I’m using signal for 2-3 years but only recently completely deleted whatsapp. Some close folks are already there or have now created accounts. Some prefer to send SMS. I’m not the center of the universe so I can live with losing out on some groups (which ones do you even really need?) and lose chats with more distant folks.
4 things you can do before uninstalling #WhatsApp completely:
1- Create a folder for messaging apps on your smartphone and install at least two alternatives to WhatsApp (such as Signal, Threema, Delta, Session, etc., depending on your values, country, and where you’re most likely to find your contacts). This way, if you choose Signal and a friend chooses Threema, you’ll both have a better chance of finding more friends on the apps you picked based on your preferences.
2- Update your WhatsApp profile photo and status. Create an image showing the logos of the new apps where people can reach you. Write a short status message explaining that you’re switching to new apps. If the new app doesn’t use your phone number as an ID, include your new ID in your avatar or status so people can easily find you.
3- Post a story on WhatsApp. Let people know you’re switching because WhatsApp is no longer safe. Invite them to try alternative apps and suggest more than one option. Share invitation links and help spread the word.
4- Turn off WhatsApp notifications and enable notifications for your new apps. Try to avoid opening WhatsApp unless it’s urgent. If you reply late on WhatsApp, let people know you’re using a different app and don’t check WhatsApp as often.
