If only Democrats had the stones to do this.
The fight for $15 movement started 13 years ago. $15 in 2012 money is equal to over $20 in 2025 money. It’s taking the most progressive senator we’ve got to even suggest a pittance that is below what we’ve been asking for for over a decade.
And it is $17 in 2030.
Here from Europe, let me recommend one thing we do well: we link our equivalent of social security to the average wage growth, not to inflation.
This ensures that all voters benefit from wage growth. And thus all voters demand the same thing from the politicians.
Makes too much sense.
Sensible policies are Unamerican, judging by what has been passed by Congress in the last 20 years.
The problem with that happening in the US is there has been no wage growth, only retraction. Between inflation and wage inequality our purchasing power is nearly half what it was 25 years ago.
That’s the point. Your problem is that a lot of voters aren’t affected by wage growth. So politicians don’t feel the pressure to enact wage growth.
All those senior people will actually vote for the guy who keeps wage growth in check.
we can’t even get it to 15, what do you think are chances of doing that are lol
I know, but these things tend to be all or nothing.
Either the American workers don’t seize power and they continue to get exploited, or they seize power and then a lot will be possible.
Median one bed apartment rent, across the entire US, is $1550 as of Feb 2025.
Lets knock 20% of that off, to approximate a median studio apartment instead, give some leeway to poorer parts of the country.
(there are not as good or reliable general stats counted for studio apartments, but a studio being 20% less than a one bed is… hopefully a reasonable, napkin math aporoximation)
Ok, that’s $1240.
Alright, now we use the ‘rent should be 30% of your income’ rule.
Thats $4135 a month, rounded up very slightly to the nearest 5.
Ok, 40 hours a week, roughly 4 weeks a month = 160 hours.
4135 / 160 = $25.85, again rounded up to the closet 5 cents for simplicity, so thats your actual minimum ‘living wage’.
If you wanna say a studio should be 30% off a one bedroom?
Math works out to roughly $22.60
If you wanna say an actual one bedroom should be the standard, works out to about $32.60
Any way you look at this, $17 an hour is too low, that’s still… you can’t even afford a studio (as in, you cannot pass the rent to income threshold without a cosigner or double deposit or somethingnon your lease) you need roommates, you’re still living with your parents.
The very people that would benefit are the same ones saying they don’t deserve it.
It’ll need to be $400 by 2030 to keep up with Trumpflation.
It already realistically needs to be between 25-30 an hr to even be considered a living wage.
Too bad too many don’t consider minimum wage as something that should be a living wage
Yea, those people should be
re-educated.We call those people “all republicans and always just enough democrats.”
Then we make two wages, one we call minimum, the other we call living. That way it’s easy to know if a place is offering a living wage or if it’s just unimportant work.
Then we make two wages, one we call minimum, the other we call living.
That way we can tell the difference between the morlocks and the eloi.
The only problem with that is there’s so much work people consider unimportant that is absolutely vital, just not what people want to do.
Like fast food workers during school hours
I agree with you, the “unimportant” part was tongue in cheek. My point really is that if a person wants a job done for money, they need to either pay a living wage or admit that the work isn’t important enough to pay for. There shouldn’t be an in-between for people to take advantage of.
lol right now we do have two wages. The minimum wage… and the subminimum wage. Yes, that is a real thing! 2.13$ an hour if you make more than 30$ in tips a month.
By 2030, $17 will be the equivalent of $5/hr. Can we just skip the bullshit and tie minimum wage to 2xSGA@40hr/wk? Right now that’d be about $18.70
What is SGA?
Screen Guild… Actors
Shai Gilgeous-Alexander the Canadian basketball point guard, obviously
Substantial Gainful Activity. It’s a metric used in the US which is adjusted each year. Currently it’s $1620/mo.
They need to stop using fixed values and switch to a calculation based on GDP, cost of living, inflation, and other such factors. If you do that you don’t need to keep fighting to increase it.
They only mention livable wages when they are not in a position to do anything about it.
We need $25 now, not $17 in 5 years. Bernie has become a fucking joke and a shadow of who he used to be
Amazing how every time they’re powerless they wanna raise the minimum wage (to what we asked in 2012), legalize weed, codify Roe v. Wade, and this time stop Trump.
If they get a hold of Congress who much do you think they’ll go for it? Assuming we have elections again.
They only mention livable wages when they are not in a position to do anything about it.
In fairness, this was just as unlikely to pass under democrats.
Or how about just no wages? Kick out the capitalists stealing the profits and divide that amongst the workers.
Abolish the wage system.
he’s sponsored the raise the wage act in the last five meetings of congress
Democrats:
“Yeah we could have helped the people who voted us in, but fuck that, I love Republican policies, they make my bank account look so much nicer when the lobbyists pay us both.”
I assume that’s her personal mantra. Fucking backstabber.
This remains democrats’ last word on the minimum wage.
best we can do is $8 an hour
“$8 an hour? Think of the profits lost! It’ll raise the cost of rent and groceries!”
US dollar is valueless pay us in euros.
If you really believe the USD is valueless, give me all your USD.
No
Yeah, that’s what I thought…
What Bernie 17 by 2030? Is fucking for real? Needs 25 an hour NOW! Might well tell people to keep straving. I should kmow make 24 an hour wife makes 16 and we still live paycheck to paycheck. With no car payments just house. Shit so fucking expensive. And its only going get worse. Why not 17 an hour now and 25 by 2030?
“Fight for 15” started in 2012…
50/hr or gtfo
If it sounds crazy it’s because you’re been conditioned to believe that some jobs aren’t worth a living wage.
It’s crazy.
That means capitalism believes that people who work those jobs don’t deserve to live.
It’s a class war and they are killing us.
No my fucking problem is we started this fight in 2012 for $15 an hour. Now what 2025 and its 17 by 2030? Its fucking joke and sad that it won’t even pass. We need to be shutting this country down until our demands are met. This bill lile all the others won’t even pass the Senate.
50/hr
Cut CEO pay
Or heads.
Dealers choice.
Should read “benefiting all Americans”
How this would help Chileans?
Hurr hurrrr
Sweet. $17/hr * 40 = $680 a week * 4 = $2720 a month * 52 = $32640 all before tax. Still not enough to live on.
Yeah, the “$15 an hour” debate has been going on for so long that the number has realistically increased to ~$23 per hour. And if a $23/hr minimum wage makes you balk, maybe you should consider how little you’re being paid for the job you currently do.
And in five years, it’ll seem like even less.
Knowing that my state has the highest minimum wage in the country, and it still isn’t enough to live off of in this state, I think that the minimum needs to be almost twice that. At least in California. Or the federal minimum needs to be based on what shit actually costs regionally, and not just a single number for all 50 states.
No single wage is going to be adequate to cover a country as large and as diverse as the United States. The federal minimum wage is not meant to be a solution for every state, but more like a way to set an absolute bare minimum. States, and even cities, can set minimum wages higher than the federal one.
If your state’s minimum wage isn’t 7.25/hr with 2.13/hr tipped, don’t act like others should settle for less when you don’t have to.
Or the federal minimum needs to be based on what shit actually costs regionally, and not just a single number for all 50 states.
“Got mine, fuck you.”
Is this a joke…?
Jesus fucking Christ why didn’t you do this back when the Democrats were in power Bernie? Stop fucking virtue signaling. You could have proposed this 4 years ago and it would have had a good chance of actually passing. And that’s exactly why you waited until now, isn’t it?
It saddens me that Bernie is the least broken politician we have, and he still sucks.
Is this a joke? He’s literally been doing this shit for like 60 fucking years my dude
I’m not even an American and don’t follow Sanders, but with a quick search I found news articles from 4 years ago with Sanders proposing to increase minimum wage to $15 https://www.sanders.senate.gov/press-releases/sanders-top-democrats-introduce-bill-raising-minimum-wage-to-15/
Bernie is the only person that consistently fights for the common man. That would be a valid criticism of anyone else.
Not fast enough not soon enough.
Depends where you live. This means nothing in California. This is an extreme change in Georgia.
Ohhhh good job Bernie! I’m sure Johnson will get RIGHT on it! The House you lost will surely vote for that. And the Senate you lost will surely confirm it. And president Musk will absolutely sign it!
He was trying this under the useless democrats as well.
He could just as well introduce one to raise it to $17000 and a car as bonus.
He knows it has no chance so that’s why he does it.
The sheepdog is virtue signaling again pretending to be progressive.Guy has been pretending to be progressive for like 60 years. Thats some dedication.
Or could it be that you have built a system where change isn’t really an option.
I have built nothing as a European.
And their system is indeed rigged and especially the last one with both wings of the uniparty successfully trying to keep 3rd parties of the ballot.
Bernie in his function as sheepdog is allowed and cultivated by that very system since it keeps voters from chosing actual change.
IDK where they get their news from but they keep making the same mistakes.A nice quote from Karl Marx, The Civil War in France:
*Nowhere do “politicians” form a more separate, powerful section of the nation than in North America. There, each of the two great parties which alternately succeed each other in power is itself in turn controlled by people who make a business of politics.
It is well known that the Americans have been striving for 30 years to shake off this yoke, which has become intolerable, and that in spite of all they can do they continue to sink ever deeper in this swamp of corruption.
we find here two great gangs of political speculators, who alternately take possession of the state power and exploit it by the most corrupt means and for the most corrupt ends – and the nation is powerless against these two great cartels of politicians, who are ostensibly its servants, but in reality exploit and plunder it.*
Normally, I would respond to this type of argument by explaining how the two party system is structural. But in this case, you are complaining about one of the only politicians that is not part of a political party.
You fail to see he is a freelance hired help for the dems.
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The libs are always against war…except the current one.
Whatever election as an ‘independent’, in the end he invariably endorses the awful dem candidate, not 3rd parties.
Including the ghouls Hitlery, Copmala and Genocide Joe.
Oof. So what should he be doing instead?
Go away preferably so people are not misled by this zionist faker
Thanks for getting Trump elected. Your pragmatic thinking is super helpful.
I didn’t I’m European.
And I am very pleased he’s fucking up his own country for once and making it weaker and expediating its inevitable demise.
It’s a gift to the world.What country are you from?
Belgium.
Am I getting some whataboutism now?Why do you post so much about US politics while being so ignorant about them?
Are you aware that Bernie Sanders is anti genocide and is one of the only US politicians bringing up legislation against providing Israel with weapons and denouncing the genocide there?
If there would be any US politician I would expect you to support it would be him, but you’re just talking uninformed shit. Why?
