• @andros_rex@lemmy.world
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    The lights are on 24/7 there. Bright florescent lights. I imagine at Dachau you might be able to escape in sleep occasionally.

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      Wait, the top one isnt a photo from ww2?..

      Umm, thanks for these images, it really puts it in perspective. I knew that they were fascists and have shown it many times, but here it looks so clear

      • @Nangijala@feddit.dk
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        If you’re curious to learn more, you can check out this video. It is a very interesting and complex issue. It helps to understand some of El Salvador’s history before passing judgement, but that doesn’t of course mean, that this prison’s facilities and living conditions are acceptable. I just think it’s worth learning a little bit about why this prison exists in the first place.

        Still, the fact that innocent US citizens supposedly have been sent there is fucking terrifying and should have never happened.

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        Even the Nazi’s provided their prisoners with blankets. It’s mentioned in Night, it’s mentioned in The Men with the Pink Triangle. The Nazis took away the blankets when they felt like being especially sadistic.

        After the soup, we gathered between the bunks. The veterans told us: “You’re lucky to have been brought here so late. Today, this is paradise compared to what the camp was two years ago. Back then, Buna was a veritable hell. No water, no blankets, less soup and bread. At night, we slept almost naked and the temperature was thirty below. We were collecting corpses by the hundreds every day. Work was very hard. Today, this is a little paradise. The Kapos back then had orders to kill a certain number of prisoners every day. And every week, selection. A merciless selection… Yes, you are lucky.”

        From Night

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      If I remember correctly they also don’t get even a bedsheet. They just sleep directly on the metal.

      I remember hearing about this prison awhile back and it genuinely sounds like hell. I have very little compassion for rapists and murderers, but even they don’t deserve to live like that. I cannot imagine what it must do to your psyche.

      If first you enter that prison, that is it. The president of that country is very adamant that no one is released, if I remember correctly.

      Fucking terrifying to think someone who did nothing at all could end up in there, but there is probably more than one of those in there.

      Edit, I found this video that touches on the issue. It is very interesting.

      • @WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works
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        The thing is these aren’t rapists and murderers. These people haven’t been convicted of crimes. Even those not sent by the US. The Salvadoran dictator just decides that people are rapists and murderers and sends them there without trial.

  • @D_C@lemm.ee
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    He’s most likely dead. That’s the reason why they can’t get him back.

    Edit: furthermore even if Chunky Cheeto said on TV that he knows the guy is dead because he killed him himself then absolutely nothing would be done about it.
    USA, the land of seemingly unlimited guns yet none of you will do anything about the dictatorship that is happening before your eyes.

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      USA, the land of seemingly unlimited guns yet none of you will do anything about the dictatorship that is happening before your eyes.

      Remember how America has the largest military on the planet, and how even our local police forces are armed with machines of war and mass destruction. Yeah, every single one of those guys works for the dictator so forgive me if I don’t go John Fucking Rambo on the White House with a repeater I bought at Walmart.

      We’re showing up to protests by the millions, we’re using our voices, we’re pressuring elected leaders to stand up and fight back, we’re fucking trying to stop this shit, so honestly fuck off with this sort of reductive armchair general critiquing.

      • @Dasus@lemmy.world
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        Remember how America has the largest military on the planet, and how even our local police forces are armed with machines of war and mass destruction.

        This guy went against a column of tanks with two bags of groceries.

        Americans can’t get organised to march with their guns to see how far the military will defend the dictatorship, when you make it hard for them.

        So for years we’ve been right about the 2A, completely useless and only there to feed the military-industrial machine, weak egos and gang violence.

        • @Jax@sh.itjust.works
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          He also got disappeared, never to be seen or heard from again. Not exactly the example I’d use.

            • @Jax@sh.itjust.works
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              By pointing out American hypocrisy through a reductionist view of gun politics in the U.S.?

              If you can’t figure out by now that the majority of blue voters are not the ones who were arming themselves… or that they were the ones voting for gun control… what are you trying to say, again?

        • @Woht24@lemmy.world
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          Yeah and he died. Get off your fucking high horse and stop pressuring people to commit suicide in the name of what you think is right.

          • @Dasus@lemmy.world
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            Oh no, is standing up to dictators and fascism dangerous?

            Well better just lick boots then, huh?

            It’s not like fascism ever endangered any lives, right? It’s not like we had this exact conversation about “resistance not being the answer, we can’t be expected to put ourself in danger” 100 years ago.

            And back then we let the fascist fucksticks get all the way to engineered killing camps. Are we gonna let them get that far — again?

            And if you’re gonna say something about me being a keyboard warrior, I’m ready and trained and in the Finnish reserves. I don’t like the idea of having to engage in combat, but I’ll do what is necessary if it comes to that.

      • @KMAMURI@lemmy.world
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        Sit there and wait for them to kill you instead. Guns are your only hope. Until you wake up and realize it you’ll watch your countrymen be killed en masse. Possibly your own family and friends. Just because it’s not you right now doesn’t mean it’s not going to be.

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      Millions of us are protesting and direct action groups are gaining more support and being more active. We’re slow to the draw yes, and this type of movement should have happened much earlier, but it’s inaccurate to say none of us are doing anything

      Edit to add: https://lemmy.world/post/28297299

      • @Alloi@lemmy.world
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        i think the point hes getting at mainly is that none of the protesting groups are taking up firearms and removing the potus by force along with his cronies. you are not militant enough compared to what is written in your constitution for this exact scenerio.

        protesting where the police allow you to is “controlled opposition” and its part of the allowed illusion of potential change. its what allows viewers at home who may agree with the movement, to feel hopeful, and like they dont have to do anything because someone else is already doing something. resolving things democratically will only take you so far with a head of state and entrenched system of control that not only doesnt follow the rules of democracy, but is actively trying to dismantle it.

        protest as much as you wish, but if theres no bite after your bark, it rings hollow.

        source? occupy wallstreet. where they poured champaign on protestors from high rises and skyscrapers, laughing, and taking pictures as they continued to rob everyone below. nothing changed. not really. if anything it got worse.

        • @morrowind@lemmy.ml
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          Taking up arms at this point would be absurdly foolish. They’d just deploy actual militant forces to stop you and you’d essentially kill any progressive movement for a couple decades, because they’d be associated with violence and extremism

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            I don’t think that’s how that works. Historically, peace rarely gets results. Do you think the end of the holocaust came about through peaceful protest? French or American revolution? The hands off protest was marked 3rd largest in US history by Wikipedia and nothing has changed. Black lives matter protests were arguably ineffective considering we elected Trump again. We see time and time again that armed conservatives and police forces freely obtain what they want so much to the point that their most desperate members felt comfortable enough to storm the Capitol and they got pardoned. I think the mindset to advocate for peace isn’t one that aligns with results. We see the results. I don’t like violence, but I know they’d love to inflict violence against me.

            • @SabinStargem@lemmy.today
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              I view both peaceful and violent protest to be tools meant to work together. The hammer of violence and the anvil of peace, shaping the politics of yore into something more useful.

              Problem is, the media and education in America has solely emphasized peaceful movements, while ignoring or downplaying the value of violence. This is a deliberate effort made by evil oligarchs and naive peaceniks, whose reasons happen to align with the result.

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              History is a very biased sample. When peaceful efforts do work, they don’t make the news, it just becomes the mundane stuff you forget.

          • @Alloi@lemmy.world
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            the US itself was a progressive movement built on violence. thats why you have the right to vote, and you dont hail the king. the constitution itself was written by extreme, violent, progressives (well, progressive for their time) also, people rally around (arguably) justified, righteous violence in the US, just look at luigi mangione for example.

            also laying down and taking it will kill progressive movements for not decades, but centuries. look at basically all of history. for a long time (millenia) people of wealth were thought to be annointed by god himself. it wasnt until people starved in the face of their greed that violence became the only answer they understood. and its what is largely responsible for the birth of democracy and the shrinking monarchies over time. something trump/musk and co are seemingly trying to reverse. while casting the illusion that you “taking the high road” is somehow morally superior, rather than literally fighting for the rights of your friends, families, and neighbours. dooming them in the process to the whims of a new american fascist monarch.

            people have died for your rights, its a shame the american peoples limit for retribution has been watered down to holding a clever quip on a piece of cardboard, compared to the actions that built your country and gave you your rights in the first place.

            they want you to remain impotent, meak, and mild. they want you to feel hopeless. powerless. and they want you to think bumper stickers, signs, flags, and liking social media posts are silver bullets in the heart of fascism.

            they are not. its just a small piece of rebellion against the forces of fascism. again, bark with no bite means nothing to those who have demonstrated they are willing to do both of those things.

            “freedom isnt free, no, theres a hefty fuckin fee. and if you dont pitch in your buck o’ five, who will?” - Trey Parker.

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              This is a matter of timing not principle. It is not the right time yet. Short of successful extremely targeted attacks ala Mangione, you will be branded a terrorist and rejected and hurt everyone you tried to help.

              and bumper stickers and rallies absolutely are critical in building the actual movement in the first place. Even if you do take up arms or whatever who are you going to do it with? Or is the plan to just go out on the street and start shooting cops?

              • @Alloi@lemmy.world
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                please re read my last comment. i feel like you didnt understand it based on what you wrote. try to remove emotion from how you process my words.

                targeted action is key to success. mindless violence towards innocents is pointless. and a shameful waste of life.

                i wont write you a play by play, but imagine how you would logically carry out a militant plan yourself, and go from there.

                (this is a thought excersize, purely hypothetical, and shouldnt be taken seriously by anyone reading this. there is no organized efforts here, same goes for all previous comments on this subject)

                • @morrowind@lemmy.ml
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                  I read it as an ideological speech to take more direct action, something you feel has been lost in today’s political climate relative to history, in the context of my previous comment disagreeing with your parent comment literally saying to “take up firearms” and not resolve things democratically. I don’t know what else you’re trying to say.

        • @ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works
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          Every protest is a sea of organization. Thousands and thousands of people convening in a public space for a cause compels people to think about those next steps. It’s a process of breaking inertia. But yes, these always require a politival mechanism: support for a bill, a race, a party, etc or they will get co-opted by the ruling class.

          That’s what happened with Occupy Wall Street, yes, though it still resulted in a major wave of political organization. The movement being ignored resulted in a major wave of disenfranchised people who turned to fascism thinking it would be a viable alternative. But at the same time it helped prime people to actually give Bernie a chance in 2016.

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        What are direct action groups are doing? I’ve only heard of protests, which have frankly zero effect on the Trump regime. The idea that something will come out of these protests, that someone will escalate is fundamentally flawed; until you and people like you decide to escalate nothing will happen, and if you want to know what your average American thinks of escalation go out on April 19th and ask people around you what they think about participating in a general strike within the year. Like ask 30 people or something, record the answers and see what you’ll get. The situation won’t change until the people of America change it with their own hands; no inevitable march of history is coming to save you.

    • @chiliedogg@lemmy.world
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      Well, the problem.on the guns side is that the Democrats spent decades villifying gun ownership, so 90% of the guns are owned by supporters of the fascist fuck.

      • @CMonster@discuss.online
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        It depends where you live honestly. I grew up in NJ in a very blue suburb and every male child on the block was out of school during the first week of deer season. Now that I’m older every leftist I know is strapped.

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          I have like 50 guns. I tell people that I’m so far left that I’ve circled back around on guns.

          But the reality is I’m mostly just a gun nerd who also used to be a gun salesman and got a ton of freebies from the manufacturer.

  • @Solumbran@lemmy.world
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    I like how this still implies that it’s only wrong because he had a legal situation.

    After all illegal immigrants are not really human, right?

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            Lol, I made no judgement about the use of the word, merely giving the etymology. I’m sorry you misinterpreted me as defending xenophobia.

            From the Greek xeno meaning strange.

            • @Tiger666@lemmy.ca
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              Maybe read the room a little before posting. My sarcasm, in this case, is very warranted, but you “correcting” me with an etymology lesson really makes you look apologetic. Why would you post something so irrelevant to the conversation?

    • Eugene V. Debs' Ghost
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      “As we all know, deporting someone without consent is only an issue because he was allowed here legally. Everyone else? Fuck if I care.”

    • @mriormro@lemm.ee
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      That’s not what their phrasing insinuates and I can see your cloaca from all the contortions you had to do to arrive at that conclusion.

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          Because a major point of ‘reason’ that the right-wing has with this person’s abduction is that he was ‘here illegally so it doesn’t matter what happens to him’.

          This messaging isn’t for you. Its mostly meant to shortcircuit the above.

          These little shitty ‘gotcha’ purity tests the left constantly foists upon itself is tiring and the stuff of children. The man the US government abducted is likely dead; murdered by despicable people willing to do unspeakable things to meet their ends. Yet you sit here griping about, what? The way one person, trying to shout back in solidarity against the coming horror, said something slightly askew? I’d think it pathetic if it weren’t so exhausting.

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        The person in the picture likely didn’t intend it, but qualifying such a statement with “legally” does have the effect of legitimizing the fascism position both in general and regarding illegal immigrants.

  • @demizerone@lemmy.world
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    It’s not a slave labor camp. It’s a concentration camp. That dude is probably dead now. Call your representatives ASAP if you live in the US. Trump must be deposed and arrested. Same with his fucking Goebbels wannabe, Pam Bondi, and Propaganda Barbie the second.

  • @gigglybastard@lemmy.world
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    America has gone full nazi at this point,

    • you have the SS, i mean ICE police
    • you have Auschwitz camp in another country, I mean el Salvador
    • courts have no power anymore, supreme court works for trump
    • congress is in on it
    • the richest guy in the world is making nazi salutes

    what else is there ? They will even make a deal with russia to divide ukraine, just like stalin and hitler did with poland.

    • KmlSlmk64
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      And the complete absurdity of Trump’s SCOTUS voting 9-0 for returning him home and Trump just said nah

      • @Soup@lemmy.world
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        Almost like he’s never had a consequence and…he’s actually right on this one. No one will do anything about it.

        Aliens will come here and ask “oh so you all bow to them because they can breathe acid and are resistant to small arms fire?” and we’ll look them in their faces and say “no, they’re actually pretty average and some are shockingly unhealthy and weak. Pretty much all their power is comes directly from what we give them for money, as they aren’t even particularly clever. We just…I dunno, can’t? I guess?”

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      You know, back during WWII, at least we had Japanese internment camps on good ol’ American soil. Now, we’re outsourcing everything! Even our prison colonies!

      Shame.

  • @cmrn@lemmy.world
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    How does this not turn his entire nation on him when the message is literally a loud and clear “this could be you and you’d have zero recourse”

    • @CalipherJones@lemmy.world
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      Because thats the messaging being sent to you. Social media has allowed propaganda to be tailored to the individual. CECOT isn’t going viral on Truth Social.

      Did you know Mark Zuckerberg implemented censors for China? Apparently every post has a “viritality counter”. When any video got over 10,000 views it would be reviewed by an Editor in Chief. Facebook is doing this.

      Here’s the source if anyone want’s to see. We’re in 1984. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ZzxxLqWKOE

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      Those who are able to fight already do so, those who’re perceptive to fascist’ propaganda are already brainwashed, and the media is broken. Meanwhile too many can’t fight because they’re already suffering too much from a broken, suppressive economy and decisions made by disconnected leaders in the decades before. It’s a fascist takeover almost by the book, and now anyone who wasn’t interested in history enough get their answer for “how could it even happen back then” first hand.

  • @Phoenicianpirate@lemm.ee
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    371 month ago

    Last year or so a provenly innocent man was executed in the United States for a murder even the lead prosecutor on the case thought he was innocent and worked to get his own conviction overturned.

  • @Formfiller@lemmy.world
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    The majority of these people who were kidnapped by masked men in unmarked vehicles had no criminal record

    • @TTom0602@lemmy.world
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      Yes, and even people with a criminal record don’t deserve to be locked up forever and to be abused.

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      I sure as shit don’t remember them caring about Gitmo, Manzanar, the cages in the border, the CIA blacksites domestic and foreign, the continuous treatment of Natives for 300 years… Only a problem now that’s its mainstream. Maybe now they’ll hold up signs acting like they’ve always cared about the treatment of non-whites.

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    “no reason in particular” I really dislike because the reason is racism. He was too Latino for the racist state.

    Edit: nvm, the point implied that he can’t return because he is dead.

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    US Senator apparently went there and was refused entry and everything.

    Republican fanboys are calling it a political stunt.

    It wouldn’t be anything if they didn’t fuck up to begin with.

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      It was not always republicans but it was always Government. Such an inefficient and flawed system

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    Yes folks. Its obvious what this is. The end goal in orange mind is deport anyone whos against the regime.

    They take this guy as a stepping stone.

    The sad part is so many people havent woken up to the totally corrupt and off the rails society we live in

    What they really want is to silience free thinkers that expose their lies. Thats their end state.

    I have hope though. Theyre stupid and areogant and will push too much too fast and hopefully wake up enough people to get of their ass and start speaking up.

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    what do you mean 'no reason in particular…"?

    the reason is that he is not white enough, how is this a mystery to anyone???

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          If he’s not dead, they will make sure he is before any press or diplomats can find him. They don’t want anyone speaking out or reporting what’s happening. They just want all the “ethnic people” to quietly disappear.

          We allowed the smallest, stupidest segment of the country to have absolute power to literally start ethnic cleansing on US soil, and our “opposition party” is frowning deeply and saying “This is inappropriate!”

          We’re done. There’s no fixing this. We will need a complete government overhaul and it will take decades, assuming we survive and our country doesn’t just become another ruined dictatorship, hollowed out and left to rot.

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            We will need a complete government overhaul and it will take decades,

            No, you’ll need fast decisive action (before the midterms at the latest, more likely within the year) to stop this madness or you’ll become another fascist dictatorship set on a course of cannibalization of both itself and anyone else it can get its hands on. Let’s not gets things mixed up here; the slow and steady option ceased to exist at least in Novembe and likely as early as August, and the result of failing isn’t a hollow rotting dictatorship. I’m from a hollow rotting dictatorship, and fascism is not that nice.

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              I absolutely agree that we could potentially turn this around in mid-terms… but that’s a ways away, and criminal organizations with time to plan will absolutely make every effort to sabotage those elections. And it’s not like they don’t have both the full power of the executive office and the wealthiest people in the world to enact their plans. I don’t have a lot of confidence that our existing systems are adequate for saving the country.

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            I mean, the whole reason he came here in 2011 was because MS13 was threatening him and his family. And Trump just handed him over to the largest concentration of the most violent MS13 members on the planet. It would actually be a miracle if he survived the first day, and it’s been a month.