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Yeah, meeting JD Vance can be too much for anyone.
We should spread the news that Vance killed him!
vance liz truss’d the pope
I would imagine they have some beautiful, world class couches in the Vatican. I can only imagine what the Pope walked in on!
I’m actually sad about this one. He was by far the best pope of my lifetime.
I feel depressed watching someones last days no matter who they are. R.i.p. I think it was brave of him to be in public for so long.
Don’t be sad, he was as just bad as any of his colleagues.
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/11/world/europe/pope-francis-homophobic-slur.html
I have terrible news for you if you think using a homophobic slur is as bad as anything the previous popes and cardinals have been doing.
The homophobic slurs should also be a reminder that the catholic church is a homophobic cult.
If your concept of a religious institution that has more than a billion people listening to it is reduced to “homophobic cult”, how does that differ from being part of a “bigoted cult” because you condemn people based on your simplistic understanding of their religion?
The catholic church is indeed a homophobic cult that condemns homophobia as a sins for which you get punished in hell, having million of followers or being popular doesn’t change the fact. Scientology has millions of followers are we going to give them any credibility because of that?
How does your sentiment differ from someone who would say:
The
catholic churchLGBT is indeed ahomophobicsinful cult that condemnshomophobia as a sins for which you get punished in hellreligion as being a homophobic cult, having million of followers or being popular doesn’t change the fact.You take the broadest brush and just stroke over everything, instead of being willing to accept any nuance.
Probably because one is founded on evidence and the other one is founded on a made up concept by the institution in question.
Isn’t this ‘whataboutism’?
This was tbe same man that said being homosexual isn’t a crime and doesn’t merit persecution for it, albeit by the catholic creed being a sin.
An insult is only as long someone allows it to be.
Downvote away.
He’s the internally appointed CEO of a cult persuading people to believe that ghosts are real. The blessing of same-sex couples is a stunt the catholic church pulled to save face in 21st century, their different treatment of homosexual couples still speak loud about their cult homophobia.
You are hard pressed to be more of an atheist than I am.
You expect dogma to be nullified with a snap of finger? Even more when that same dogma is taken from the book on which the creed is built upon?
As if people require any sort of excuse to shun and persecute those who are different.
I find it more important countries to codify into law the right for anyone, regardless gender or sexual orientation, to enjoy the same rights, including marriage if so they choose but like it or not, a man forcing that small change into a monolithic, organized, religion is something to be recognized.
You expect dogma to be nullified with a snap of finger?
I expect homophobic cult leaders to be called out for what they are and not praised or defended
Then start by the first line priests.
Those can be some of the worst individuals in the church, and some of the best, at the same time.
There are incredibly forward thinking, humanist and humane individuals acting as local parish priests, individuals that entered the ranks for personal calling and devotion, doing their best to push back on backwards thought and belief on “pious” communities. Those should garner wide support, when it is the exact opposite that happens, with usually the most reprobate and closed minded individuals being seen as “good” priest and thus rising in the ranks, to keep the status quo, one generation after the other.
Institutions are made of people. That man did little but achieved something to move the creed in a better direction. Most just tend to small affairs or outright go for even more dogmatic understandings of outdated subjects, which by itself drives away more people.
Now that I think about it, as reading or being knowledgeable of what any “holy” book holds is the best way to create atheists, maybe those are doing the best job.
Even the “best” individuals in the catholic church are still the members of a homophobic and misogynist cult persuading people to believe that ghosts are real. catholic church bending and changing its own sacred holy laws as it suit them is more proof of their bullshits.
He was the best child rapist out of the lot of them 😢
I hope his religion is real so he can burn in hell with his predecessors.
Spokesperson of the biggest pedophile ring dies, and that makes me sad.
This comment proves the church’s PR experiment worked. The lies worked. He wasn’t progressive, he was a hard conservative, homophonic, misogynist who defended pedos and spewed hollow platitudes while sitting on a trillion dollars. But the church put him in place and threw a huge propaganda machine behind him and you bought it
Edit: to the pedo lovers in this thread who are gonna miss king pedo
homophonic
I think he was the first Pope Francis. But even if he were the second, that wouldn’t make him a homophone.
I guess all popes are homophonic in some languages, like in Spanish “la papa” is potato and “el papa” is pope.
You win the award for funniest spelling pedantry of the month.
This comment proves the church’s PR experiment worked.
Conspiracy theorists are so weird… Like do you imagine a smokey room with the pope and a group of cardinals talking about how they want to represent the church in a completely opposite way to how they want it to be? Or is there a “shadow church” that controls it all and the pope is unaware?
Which marvel movie best reflects the situation do you think?
I mean, the Catholic Church is a political organization that has global reach, I don’t think it’s a wild conspiracy that they carefully consider their appearance.
This comment proves the church’s PR experiment worked. The lies worked. He wasn’t progressive, he was a hard conservative,
This phrase, right here, sounds like it came from a conspiracy theorist. Because that’s exactly how conspiracy theorists rationalize things. Anything that counters my belief is “lies” and it’s just a “PR experiment”. It can’t possibly be that the pope is, like most people, complex with varied beliefs and potentially even contradictory beliefs.
No. It’s “lies from a PR department”. 🙄
But they do have a pr department. The holy see is a political organization. They are an internationally recognized government with diplomatic relationships. While not a member state of the UN they are permanent observers and influence decision making on a worldwide scale, and it’s not a secret that the church, which is run by the same person as the holy see (the Pope) has had its fair share of controversy.
I don’t think it’s a stretch to think the holy see spends time and effort in order to make their appearance, and the appearance of the church, look better.
“I don’t think it’s a stretch” and “they have a PR department” are not “evidence”.
lol we have proof of these people causing genocides and raping children but sure that’s far fetched
Proof of things “A” is not proof of things “B”
Did you even see the earlier Popes? He did everything you say and yet this guy was liberal by every definition compared to the guy he replaced. Benedict was nasty and he knew it.
He said a lot. Did the opposite and continued the church’s status quo, you’re a fool if you think his pro lgbt talk was sincere, actions speak louder than words
He had the dopest pope rock album too, I imagine that record will stand
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JD Vance: “How long have you worked here?”
“Have you said Thanks, even once?”
Is Francis really your name? What’s on your birth certificate?
His last words: “Dear Father in heaven, that unsufferable man!”
I actually saw a headline yesterday about how the Pope “ghosted” JV Dunce. 😫👻
As others have said, Francis also stacked the electors who will be deciding the next pope, so it is possible that his successor will also be just as progressive (well, progressive for the leader of a conservative religious institution, at least).
The most PR pope, never meant anything he said, all gaslighting and hollow platitudes, no actual change, still shuffled around and defended pedos
Ah yes, the expected purity test. Let’s just ignore any progress made and make snark remarks online while we wait for the 100% ideologically pure.
The only purity test pass would be a person who refuses to do it, the only progress would be the collapse of that genocidal church
Yeah, he ALMOST restored the office of Pope to relevancy :D
When his draconian successor inevitably comes along, we can go back to ignoring the papacy again.
This is huge, pinning it for now.
One would even suggest this is world news.
Definitely. This potentially changes the structure of the Church which impacts every country in which it operates.
1.3 billion followers in 160+ countries.
Guys. Joe Biden is Catholic. The Vatican has an opportunity to do the funniest thing ever.
It’s a funny thought, but he’s not a cardinal or even a priest. Not just any Catholic can be Pope.
Edit: turns out, yes, any Catholic can theoretically be pope
Uhm, pretty sure being a baptized Catholic is pretty much the only requirement…
From Wikipedia:
The pope does not need to be a cardinal elector or indeed a cardinal; since the pope is the bishop of Rome, only those who can be ordained a bishop can be elected, which means that any male baptized Catholic is eligible.
So just any guy, even if he isn’t Christian, can be baptised in the morning and then get appointed pope in the afternoon?
They aren’t going to pick someone that isn’t in the room when they vote on it.
actually in theory yes any catholic can be pope.
in practice, however…
Psh, details, shmetails.
He is probably younger than most of the other candidates.
They once made a monk Pope I know, I’m not sure if he was also a priest. Certainly wasn’t a cardinal though I think that was one of the arguments in favor of him.
Actually officially any male catholic can be pope, it’s just in practice cardinals always choose one of their own
Pope Brandon I
They are really unlikely to support a non cleric. All the decision makers sacrificed a lot of typical life time activities to be clerics, they aren’t going to lift up sometime who hasn’t also made these sacrifices.
I didn’t say they would. I said they could. Jokes aside, I would be VERY surprised if old Joe got picked for this, both for the reasons you mentioned and because of the decline he’s been going through recently.
For the past 600 years, the pope has always been a cardinal.
The last time someone other than a cardinal was elected was 1296, they elected some monk who was something of a holy figure. It was a clusterf*"#, lasted 5 months and every decision he made was reversed by it’s successor except for one (the right for pope’s to abdicate). Which kinda sounds like Bidens term in office, but let’s not give him another chance at being useless, ok?
(There were some other non-cardinals after, but all of them clergy, and mostly during or shortly after the Avignon papacy)
Oh shit.
Pope Fabian Ⅱ
I dont think another crusade is necessary just to bring Biden to justice.
I fucking hate you Vance, this is your fault!
Political extremists aren’t always the best at differentiating between correlation and causation. Let’s see how this plays out.
Conspiracy theorists are already making new theories about Vance killing the Pope for refusing to “Play ball” with the Trump Agenda
JD Vance visits the Vatican, the pope literally dies
I guess he didn’t say “thank you”
Like Liz Truss to the queen.
Pope is recovering;
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meets JD Vance
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dies a couple days later…
Hmm
He died the very next day.
Hours later, even.
Isn’t it ironic? Don’t ya think?
I blame Alanis Morttisette for people confusing coincidence, weird juxtaposition, and shitty luck with irony.
But the whole song is the irony. She’s just playing chess while we’re all playing checkers.
Yes, Ironic’s lyrics contain no irony, which is ironic.
Many people are asking “Did JD Vance have a hand in the Pope’s death?”
Would YOU want to keep on living if you had to speak to JD Vance?
Isn’t it
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JD Vance asks to meet Pope
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Pope slights Vance, refuses to meet
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Pope dies the next day ???
Very sus
JD Vance is the impostor.
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let’s wait a couple days and see if he comes back
You literally missed the right number by one.
I don’t think they did. In the bible, Jesus died Friday afternoon and rose Sunday morning. That’s pretty close to two days- just over a day and a half, depending on when God yoinked his son’s spirit.
The tradition took place over three days, but we’ll know if he’s a’risin’ by the day and a half mark.
Well done! As Martin Luther King Jr said:
“Love cannot drive out pedantry, only more pedantry can do that”
He was an alright Pope in the end. Not a soulless bastard like Benedict.
He even opted out of the traditional, expensive papal funeral and requested to just be laid in state and then buried in a wooden coffin lined with zinc.
Why zinc?
It’s a fairly common lining for coffins that you’re gonna either transport internationally or put in mausoleums. It keeps the body preserved for longer and takes about 100 years to break down.
I can’t not read this as “expensive paypal funeral”.
Well, now it’s time to swing to an even Nazier Nazi.
You joke but there is a genuine possibility that the Vatican might elect someone who is more conservative, if not very so. The Vatican under Francis had been the most progressive it had been in decades. And it ruffled the feathers of many conservative clergies.
Yep, and there’s no way Musk, Trump, and Putin aren’t trying to rig that vote. A Papal blessing would go a long way to speeding up their march.
Oh, it wasn’t a joke, I was just saying it in a humorous manner.
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They are priests, they are all the same, no matter the cult or the specific affiliation (Jesuit in this case): https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pope-paedophile-priests-children-god-vatican-b2336786.html
According to the article, the context for the flashy headline is that all Catholics are children of God and that all must be treated with compassion, while still acknowledging that pedophiles are monsters.
I will not pretend that Francis’s hands are totally clean. He has mistreated abuse cases in the past. Around 2019 he actually started implementing some reforms that have to some extent helped. While I don’t think he did enough, he did much more than his predecessors. I highly suspect the next pope will be another Benedict and not another Francis. Consequently, I suspect that the mishandling will get worse.
The child in me kind of wishes he had passed on 4/20 Easter, but alas.
That being said, while I’m not religious I appreciate a lot (not all) of what this Pope has done. His Apostolic Exhortation on the Idolatry of Money, and the gross inequality wrought by capitalism is worth a read.
Some gold from that document:
In this context, some people continue to defend trickle-down theories which assume that economic growth, encouraged by a free market, will inevitably succeed in bringing about greater justice and inclusiveness in the world. This opinion, which has never been confirmed by the facts, expresses a crude and naïve trust in the goodness of those wielding economic power and in the sacralized workings of the prevailing economic system.
Would be funny to make a quote collection titled “Who said this? Pope Francis or a socialist?”
For the time he had, the distance he brought the Church is pretty impressive. I will go to my grave believing that organized religion does more harm than good, nothing they ever do will change my mind. That said, he really was an agent for positive change, especially compared to Darth Benedict, who preceded him.
Not to mention his stance against zio terrorism. That’s probably why he’s being replaced.
He’s being replaced because he dead yo.
Good pope tho.
I like the implication that they interrogated a dead body about its opinion on terrorism lmao
It wouldn’t be the first time!
oh I forgot about that, you win this comment section 😂
Don’t worry. If I’m elected pope, you’ll get to see the return of the Cadaver Synod, bigger and better than ever! In fact, I’ll set up a whole special court just to try former popes I have a theological beef with! They’ll have several cases going on simultaneously. I’ll put dozens of former popes on trial!
Gfdi. I’m not religious, but knowing that Catholics are going to choose a new Pope, I can only look forward to more bad news of comformity to godawful world news in the form of a shitty New Pope who inspires and empowers all the shitty people.
Great, one more thing to make the world even worse.
There’s some hope… part of Francis’ papacy involved him promoting more open-minded cardinals (who are the ones who choose popes) but we’ll see
We can hope.
But also: “papacy”? Sounds like a dynamic I need in my life (:
My sincere hope is that the Catholic Church looks at how they were perceived under Benedict—a staunchly conservative Pope that led to massive losses in respect, attendance, and relevance; and how they were perceived under Francis—an actually compassionate and humble servant of the Church and its people. And based on that, they choose another Pope who’s in the same vein as Francis to continue bringing the Church into this century. There is still decades of work to be done, but we absolutely can’t go backwards right now.
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Lol.
Or, on the theory that we’re living in the stupidest timeline, they’ll go with “Pope Biden I.”
Frances said some good stuff but did he do anything meaningful to bring the church into this century
Yes that is what they meant
Im waiting for all the articles whe we he said something nice about gay people, so hes super progressive and we should be nice to the church cause they like us
Only to go to the comments where someone points out the next sentence he said was we are still going to hell
They’re the ones that invented hell in the first place. That’s being the gatekeeper of your own imaginative fuck-you land, you can do whatever you want since it doesn’t even exist in the first place.
Oh hey if you beat your children and don’t support people that support trans people you’re going to urusjsttisstiidtiyd after you die and it sucks and people punch you in the face and it smells like shit and jd vance sticks his fingers in your mouth randomly and it’s all the worst stuff you can imagine and it curses your family forever and if you do support trans people with everything and don’t worry i can read your thoughts i mean the super powerful all powerful everywhere all the time in everything force person called odyysiid5tditkxhck can read your thoughts and knows if you’re being bad or even considering it or thinking about anything bad.
^ religion, my new one that you should follow, also you go to the good place where all your dreams come true and you can be with all your loved ones forever and there’s all the things you want trust me bro you want this and not the bad forever ending. It’s called RaulingSucksDurt-ism and it’s real and all the other religions aren’t real and they’re all actually going to urusjsttisstiidtiyd for not even believing. The best thing you can do actually is to show them the light and save them from urusjsttisstiidtiyd because that’s bad and you want to be good right? The other religions just lie to you and it’s actually the leader of urusjsttisstiidtiyd whispering in their ear and they’re all victims bro, help them bro before it’s too late, they’re all bad bro help them with your love
This just in: the Catholic Church chooses Andrew Tate as their new pope
I think with the current zeitgeist we’re in for a Battle Pope this time.
Battle Pope! With flying “Rocket Papal Punch” action! Only $12.25 at your nearest Vatican.
Looks like it’s time for another pope race. I would like to throw my hat in the ring. As a lapsed Catholic trans woman who’s never so much as visited a seminary, I know I’m an unorthodox choice. But maybe it’s time to mix things up. My central campaign planks? We’re going to bring back indulgences and try to make the Papal States a thing again. Also, expect skits and improv sessions to have a big place in Catholic mass in the future!
Only guys can be Pope.
But according to TERFs and fash, she is a guy though
So we should thank TERFs for having a trans women Pope? Watching TERFs meltdown over these would be hilarious.
I promise to spend the entire papacy dressed in dresses that look like they belong in the White Tower scenes in the Wheel of Time series.
Eh. Rules are arbitrary and can be changed.
This, in the Catholic Church, transwomen actually do count as women. Recent ruling, they’re against “Gender Ideology”, whatever the fuck that means, but make exceptions for transpeople due to Francis ruling gender dysphoria a geniune medical issue that is exempt from rules against whatever “Gender Ideology” is
You’d have to call uno reverse trans
Pretty sure the church doesn’t recognize trans people
Checkmate
athiestsCatholics.
Without going into spoilery details, the film Conclave raised a very interesting question about pope eligibility. Recommend checking it out, not just for the topical relevance but also simply because it’s a good movie.
Hey, hey, hey… there’s always Pope Joan. ;)
I know I’m an unorthodox choice.
There’s a joke somewhere in here
My partner added “as someone who can’t even say the word 'seminary” without giggling…"
Your candidacy would put the Church in quite a predicament, for sure. They could either embrace a trans woman as a leader (confirming that there’s nothing wrong with trans people) or reject her for being a woman (therefore admitting that one can, in fact, change their gender).
Of course, this is a false dichotomy, but a good PR team could spin it as a human rights win either way.
“As a lapsed Catholic trans woman who’s never so much as visited a seminary, I know I’m an unorthodox choice.”
As someone in the same position good luck
As new Pope, I promise to repeat the Cadaver Synod. I promise to dig up the corpse of Pope Benedict XVI and put him on trial for his homophobia and transphobia! And I may not stop at him…I may have to set up a whole special court just for putting former popes on trial.
“That was because he refused to welcome god-king JD vance in person!!! God punished the pope for his impertinence!!!”
- Some MAGA-Nut somewhere, probably
- Some MAGA-Nut somewhere, probably
probably closer to all of 'em
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