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United States: How do the Chinese and Russians fall for such obvious government propaganda!?!
Also United States: OMG, my favorite show CSI: Miami Law Blue Bloods Unit is on! OMG, my favorite movie is on Cop Show, but With More CGI and Colorful Costumes!
I feel like you can both enjoy cop shows and know that ACAB IRL.
I personally tend to find it difficult tbh, unless the parts of the show that AREN’T the copaganda hero worship is exceptionally well-written and/or stupid in ways that delight me.
Examples of cop shows (including hybrids with aspects of other genres) I will watch and rewatch for all time:
Lucifer, Brooklyn 99, Paradise PD, Mindhunter, The Wire, Dexter
Examples of shows with so much or so awful copaganda that I believe they should not be allowed on TV without a disclaimer:
Every CSI show; NCIS; every Law & Order show, but especially the ones where they torture and otherwise abuse presumed innocent people the most; 24; Blue Bloods
Cop shows I go back and forth about:
True Detective, Castle, The Blacklist, White Collar, Bones
This is Reno 911 slander
That didn’t count, it was a documentary.
It was supposed to be an off the cuff set of examples rather than an exhaustive list. That being said, you’re right that Reno 911 belongs in that category 😁
My parents really like Blue Bloods. It baffled me how often the cops break the law, acknowledge that they’re breaking the law and hurting innocent people, and then just… move on.
Lucifer… Yeah, the way that show ended, I wouldn’t touch it with a ten foot pole. The rest are cool, though.
the way that show ended, I wouldn’t touch it with a ten foot pole
I have a simple trick for that: I just erase it from my headcannon and skip it on rewatches.
In related news, I’m currently rewatching all 5 seasons of Game of Thrones 😉
Bones is one of the most egregious shows for me. The enthusiasm the title character has whenever she gets to shoot someone or lie to someone “because it’s allowed” is super icky.
The original CSI was great. The first few seasons are all about how the evidence is more important than whatever easy story the cops want to make up, and how society is more complicated than just good guys vs bad guys, and the system isn’t always just. It drew a hard distinction between the scientific investigators and the actual cops. Later they turned into just another stupid cop show.
The first few seasons are all about how the evidence is more important
You mean the TONS of debunked pseudoscience that has led to thousands of innocent people being convicted because juries believe what they see on TV and prosecutors know how to exploit that?
Is THAT the “important evidence” you’re referring to?
You are correct and I wasn’t thinking about it from that angle, just about how they didn’t glorify the police.
Sorry I’m still salty and say this whenever someone mentions it.
Fuck blue bloods, Black Donnellys was so much better.
I enjoy swat, but even with the occasional episode about bad cops, it’s ridiculously pro cop. I’ve decided that the reason I like the occasional cop show is the fantasy of what if cops were actually good.
Then you watch “The First 48” and realize that unless someone actively snitches or the fool immediately goes to the cops “to give their side” and/or flat out confesses, cops would never “solve” crimes.
Moral of the story: Shut the fuck up
unless someone actively snitches
Then you go to The Innocence Project and find out how many jailhouse snitches are issuing false testimony to lighten their own convictions.
My town’s police department posts info on wanted criminals on FB and people comment on the posts basically doing the cops’ jobs for them. Every person who has been posted about has been caught. The cops here rely on the public to catch criminals and they’re shameless about it. Meanwhile they spend their time on duty harassing people who ride ebikes.
Sounds like how the East German Stasi did things.
If you tell me that 65% of your towns entire budget goes to “law enforcement”, I would not be surprised at all.
My favorite thing about it is this the more you watch cop shows and cop movies the more you notice a pattern. The biggest villain for all of those shows, the most consistent threat? Internal affairs. It’s like every single movie and every single series it has shown up at least once. Those God damn Internal Affairs people stopping good cops from doing what they need to do. It’s maybe the single strongest trend throughout all of these shows and movies.
Hell it was even a plot point in Psych. The show about fake psychic detectives had a bad guy Internal Affairs officer.
On top of that, if IA was as powerful and menacing as they are in the shows cops might actually be held accountable.
IA feels like HR at any mega Corp, there to protect the institution not actually solve anything or ensure things are fair.
If only Stabler could have freely roughed up every single suspect, they might have caught a couple of the rapists sooner. Probably would have got some coerced confessions out of some creeps who were destined to rape in future too.
It’s called pre-crime and Tom Cruise said it’s illegal in his documentary, “Minority Report”
This is why I say the Wire is the best cop show out there still, espevially growing up with a cop. It raises up the parts of police work that deserve praise; eg. the individuals that get in for the right reasons or have appropriate respect for the job once there, the opportunity police have to make a positive impact on outliers in our society, etc. It also gives a pretty realistic look at how these things go wrong or become ineffective at an institutional level (and 100% don’t shy away from idiot/aggressive cops, narratively equating them to gang members). As far as I can remember there is never a “big, bad internal affairs” plot line. When it does come up it’s in reference to a character’s problematic behavior and treated as a fair consequence of their actions.
Watch the Wire if you havent and you like crime-drama. It’s as good as it gets.
I used to work for the Medical Examiner’s Office. I’ve picked up more than my share of rape/murder victims. You wouldn’t believe the shit I’ve heard cops say about the victims. I’ve only ever met a few detectives who really cared and were decent human beings, and coincidentally, they all came from years (or decades) in some other industry before joining their departments as detectives because they had advanced degrees. Never met a single uniformed cop or “promoted from within” detective who was anything other than a soulless piece of power tripping shit at their core.
I was a medic back in the day in a large city. Cops are assholes. Big goofy dumb goons. I’ve seen them do the dumbest shit. Light a smoke for a dead man. Was just one example. I sat at trial two times just to fuck up a cops day cause they routinely fucked people up for no reason. Goons.
Nothing made me more ACAB than having to work alongside cops.
I got stopped for speeding once at work.
With an MI patient (heart attack) who was unconscious and we were doing CPR and pushing drugs. Had lights and sirens and were on a pretty much empty 4 lane divided highway. I was doing 25 over the speed limit. 5kms faster than allowed by law here for an emergency vehicle but I also had a lot going on inside the truck. No leeway allowed. I got a ticket, that’s not the terrible bit though as you read.
Speeding. I had a screaming match with that fucker on the side of the highway. It almost came to blows honestly. Stopped seeing cops as protectors that day. I was 18 and a month into being a full fledged Paramedic.
ACAB all day every day.
I wish I could find that Reddit post about the commenter who called the police every time her ex came by and they literally told her that their arms are tied and there’s nothing they can do. She asked them what will it take for them to act, and the cops said, “Maybe if he tried to kill you.”
And she even said the restraining order meant nothing to the cops.
The restraining order means nothing to the supreme court, also.
“Castle Rock v. Gonzales, 545 U.S. 748 (2005), is a United States Supreme Court case in which the Court ruled, 7–2, that a town and its police department could not be sued under 42 U.S.C. § 1983 for refusing to enforce a restraining order, even though the refusal led to the murders of a woman’s three children by her estranged husband.”
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Town_of_Castle_Rock_v._Gonzales
Fuck cops and fuck Reddit.
real
Those cop shows also glorify cops who breaks rules and trample rights as good cops who do what they need to do to solve a crime. It leads to people excusing abuse by cops in the real world
Love how Brooklyn 99 addresses that. Peralta is basically a caricature of the “loose cannon that gets results” cop, but even he doesn’t cross the line when it comes to illegally obtaining evidence.
Feck off, censors.
The internet isn’t for babies, we can take words.
You mean fuck off?
Don’t you fucking swear, my dad fucking yells at me otherwise.
Depends if Obinice is Irish.
Fair
you’ve never seen a 2-year-old on a tablet. frightening stuff.
I’ve never seen a 2 year old read.
I’ve never seen a 2 year old.
yeah I have known 2-year-olds and 3-year-olds that read. It’s not that uncommon, everyone learns things at different times.
I like “The Rookie”.
But all these cops obsessing over the letter of the law, keeping each other in line, caring about perp’s life choices and victim’s problems…
This is fantasy. Might as well be Lord of the Rings.
There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old’s life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.
-John Rogers
I used to like The Rookie, but honestly after George Floyd I just couldn’t stomach any propaganda cop shows anymore.
Those motherfucker CHOCKED the man to death while smiling.
The show tried to pay lip service to it but honestly nothing they could do could possibly be enough.
This happened to me with Brooklyn 99, than even for a cop show is kinda woke.
Or the Dota show, that V, who has been oppressed by the police all her life became a cop officer on the first episode of the second season.
Well yeah, cause the only other way that story could’ve gone was “the OG Black Panthers were right, obviously the good guys and revolution is key” which isn’t a story that you’re allowed to tell.
To be fair, that series pushed that line much more than pretty much anything else I’ve seen on TV, but they did Ekko so dirty.
99 got extra woke in the last season. I thought they handled it well.
They address the George Floyd murder head-on. Rosa quits the force because of it. Jake is forced to address how he’s internalized some of those problematic attitudes. If you stopped before the last season, it’s worth giving it another look.
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This made me angry.
As it should.
I really like how Brooklyn 99 addressed this at the end.
B99 was a very good comedy that took place in an absolute fantasy world.
But hey, that’s sitcoms for you. Nobody in Big Bang Theory has to spend a season wiggling out of date rape allegations. Nobody in 7th Heaven gets molested by a priest. Nobody in Cheers beats their spouse.
Well, yes. If you expect any TV show to be a 100% unbiased, accurate representation of reality, you’re an idiot.
That doesn’t mean they can’t address societal issues in a meaningful way.
Addresses what? That entire series, especially the final season, is all copaganda about “Sure, there are corrupt cops out there, but there are also squads on your side that are breaking the law in order to enforce their own morals, so you shouldn’t hate cops”
Yes, they addressed that there’s corruption in the LEO system beyond what I’ve seen any other cop show do. An extremely popular member of the cast quit the force because of the George Floyd shit. What other show even addressed it?
I’m waiting for some examples.
Also, it’s a fucking sitcom. Fuck off with your negative bullshit. A fucking sitcom did what no actual procedural cop drama would.
Thank you for anticipating the words that I cannot stomach with my weak-ass feelings and censoring them for me. You’re my hero. you cunt.
Get upvoted lil bro
same thing for the military. I mean, I love Stargate, but I will not pretend for a second that it’s not propaganda.
Honestly I’m not a military fan, but in general they tend to be better trained and are actually a necessary evil, see Ukraine. Sometimes you need people to defend you from tyrants.
Cops are just so much worse, they are given all the privilege in the world and they have comfortable jobs, at least in the western world, yet they act like they are dodging 50cal rounds all day every day.
They think they are at war with the people they are supposed to be serving so this is never going to work.
That is absolutely how they think. I had to turn off an episode of “Dogs with Jobs” of all things because it pissed me off. There was one with a police dog and his handler talked about “the enemy” and I was like “you mean the community you serve, which may include some people suspected of crimes?”
Then you get into the actual military. It’s a bunch of high school kids with responsibility. Good leaders? Rare. Those higher end crazy weird assignments, like SG would have been? Those breed the worst because they usually attract the worst.
“Here, Lippyballscacker will train you on this.”
Wait, Lippyballsacker? Wtf?
“Yeah, his supervisor was hanging in the building and remembered he had to pick him up at the last minute from the airport. One guy asked him what the new guy’s name was. “I don’t know, Lippyballsacker or something.” That name stuck.” - actual story from my time in aircraft maintenance
When they guy left, he was gloating the name wouldn’t follow him. One of the maintenance supervisors had contacts at the new base. The name followed him.
We also had a fuck up who was good at taking tests, so he made rank fast, but was an absolute moron. Didn’t realize he had to put his manual truck in gear or set the brake. Always had to repeat lefty loosey every time…out loud. Walked right through an antenna on the bottom of the plane. Didn’t skip a step.
They show the military way too organized and disciplined. No. Bunch of blind leading the blind.
What is r and why does it warrant investigation?
Rope. Marijuana. It’s often censored on social media because algorithms refuse to promote anything controversial or violent. As a result, folks online have created euphemisms for it. Rather than saying “I’m smoking rope” you’ll often find people stating “I’m king grope” to avoid AI cancelation. Hope that helps.
“got em on the ropes”, “show em the ropes”, “rope-a-dope”, “soul on a roll but you treat it like soap on a rope cause the beats and the lines are so dope”, it was right in front of our faces!
r is a slur fort mentally disabled people and it’s being investigated because the police love beating up disabled people of all sorts.
To be fair, sometimes instead of beating them up they shoot them.
Boo!
RAPE
So Scary!!!
No idea why people censor themselves like this.
Capitalism has neutered our ability to speak freely about the most important, most painful truths in our society.
The platforms that most people spend most of their conscious thought-power have told our children and adults alike that things like rape, suicide, murder and nazism are so distant from us, so “unreal” that we don’t even have words for them anymore.
This isn’t a small thing. Language has massive power in our minds to reshape our world. We use language to abstractify complicated ideas and learn how to examine them from different perspectives. Language is how we built a world a wonders and miracles, but we’re being conditioned every day to stop using language. Don’t read, scroll. Don’t debate, retreat to safe spaces. Don’t say bad words, someone might feel bad if you say “rape.” As if people aren’t currently being raped right now. I wonder how they feel about the word.
But did you knoooowwww, that nearly a quarter of US adults are functionally illiterate? Meaning, they can answer texts, they can read street signs and a grocery list, but are almost incapable of stringing together a whole paragraph? This isn’t a small problem, it’s why the west is falling, it’s why we have nazis marching again. I mean… why we have “armband baddies” marching, or whatever the sanitized term is.
How is that capitalism’s fault, and not the fault of the ridiculous puritans the censorship is trying to cater to?
Because platforms cater to advertisers who cater to the broadest possible audience. Meaning they don’t take stances on any issues, they just use the broadest, safest possible forms of language and principles.
If you take any kind of active stance about anything there are going to be “ridiculous puritans” somewhere, in some context who are going to be offended. And once you decide that you’re going to piss off some group of people, you have to then apply your principles consistently or you’re going to make even more public backlash and controversy.
Platforms that are courting advertisers are going to try to make their platform as universally uncontroversial as possible rather than invite brands in who have to either align with the existing values of the platform or invite brands in who will have to then take a stance in any capacity.
As a result, we have the largest gathering places for people’s minds, completely disconnected from reality by presenting people a neutered, safe version of the world without any possible way for people to see something that bothers them, because it’s far easier to sell products when people are thinking about the product, not your company’s stance on something. This is what’s turned our social media and the internet broadly into a marketing tool. This is why the internet is dead. This is why kids don’t even say the word “dead” anymore because they’re used to abiding by the brand’s safe version of reality.
I mean, is this really hard to understand?
Yeah, because you’re overcomplicating it.
This censorship in particular is coming from China’s overbearing government. Remove that element and capitalism is fine leaving things uncensored. Remove the religious right from America and there’d be less censorship elsewhere.
They don’t censor as much in the UK, for example. Would you say China is more capitalist than the UK?
Remove the religious right from America
Oh so it all hinges on ethnic cleansing then? I love rando internet takes. Fuck off, I don’t care about your points, you’re in some fantasy world.
That’s obviously not what I meant, but you just go ahead and keep being you.
It’s so it can be shared on places with algorithmic censorship for the most likes as possible
Boycott those places, otherwise we are consenting to being censored in the name of advertising profitability.
We’re not prying the millions of teens off the sites they use.
The better alternative than screaming and preaching shit nobody wants to hear is to provide better alternatives. In time, topics like rape and murder and suicide are going to become almost a mystique, a forbidden world of knowledge. With sites like 4Chan finally dying, there’s a real vacuum out there for a place “kids can sneak off to” and learn the truth.
Or even better, talk to them personally. Make sure the people in your lives, particularly younger ones, know they can talk about rape, death, sex and other “taboo” topics without being yelled at, shot down or reacted-to in a negative way. I promise, people of all ages are desperate to connect with others in an honest, non-judgemental way.
It would serve us better to just stop using the internet ourselves and devote more of that time to helping people in person. I taught and coached boys and young men for a long time, I made a huge difference. It’s not even hard to do, it just takes patience and a calm demeanor and you can move mountains.
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Hey, it’s not always like that. Now they can also report the victims to ICE, which makes the problem go away much faster.
