Even by the low standards I had for Labour’s approach, this is depressing.
Fantastic. By my book, Labour are now worse than the Tories.
Between Labour, Conservative, and Reform, we are completely fucked next election.
Yep, and we get this headline too today:
Starmer does not believe trans women are women, No 10 says
They’ve out-Blaired Blair and out-Toried the Tories.
This is the same person that once said “it’s not right to say only women have a cervix”
Zero conviction.
They are actually saying the Tories should apologies for being too pro-trans.
setting aside trans people for a second - is the government going to build separate washrooms for the >1 million uk residents who were born intersex? why can’t we make policy that is grounded in reality? lawmakers shout be required to pass a basic science course
The way we educate science is we go “thus is it! But actually not but you’ll learn the complexities later”. Think of how they teach you the structure of the atom from highschool up to university level.
Unfortunately most people stop science education at highschool, which usually stops at “Sex is determined by the chromosomes” and doesn’t complicate it further because they still gotta get to chromosome replication before the end of the chapter.
Intersex people are often trans. Because they were assigned a gender at birth, and many decide against that decision in various ways.
That is my understanding as well. I think that our insistence that every person needs to fit in one category or the other is almost the whole problem. I wonder how many people think to themselves “I don’t want to be trans, I just want to be me.”
Only 0.05% of people are born with ambiguous genitalia
there are different definitions of intersex. the figure you cited is correct for only the narrowest definition: visibly ambiguous genitalia at birth. by other criteria (ambiguous internal anatomy, androgen insensitivity, etc.), it can be as high as 1.7% (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intersex)
Edit: i read the article more closely and i don’t stand by my figure. i retarct it because it seems that there may be good reasons to use the narrower definition. nevertheless, that is still 35k people that the government won’t acknowledge.
When they bury Starmer, do you think they’ll put him next to his beloved Thatcher?
That way we could piss on two graves for the price of one! (all admission fees go to LGBTQ+ charities)
And who is going to police this?
My understanding is that it isn’t illegal for anyone to use any toilet and it is down to the establishment to decide who can go in what toilet. I’ve definitely been to theatres were women take over one of the gents. Also the gents in The Philharmonic pub in the middle of Liverpool is so splendid you can ask to be shown around no matter what you sex. I often lock both sets of toilets in my local if we have a late drink and that involves a quick check to make sure they are empty.
I, for one, am looking forward to trans men waltzing into the ladies saying ‘I gotta pee here, its the LAW’.
Every time I’ve used the “correct” room since starting my transition I’ve been harrassed or SAd, guess I need to either hold it or risk that every single time from now on.
love you all. not all cis people are dicks
We awoke to finally find ourselves entering a little light. Then just as we were starting to celebrate. We forgot the folks in the back.
And suddenly those folks shouted, grabbed our ankles and dragged us back into the dark brambles of bigotry.
The fear was more than they could handle. And our lack of far was more than they were willing to tolerate.
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Just make real full height stalls so no one has to share the space with anyone and all the bathrooms can be for everyone. The problem is not trans people, it’s bathroom design
That would be the answer, just have unisex seperates…
It’s actually fantastic, I haven’t used a gendered public restroom in a year or so now that there are a bunch of single person ones in my area. The ungendered ones are clean and they’re quiet and just better in every way
Thinking about it, there are separate public conveniences with no designation, at the car park I use when I take the dog to the vets, they make perfect sense, clean & private…
When was the last time you looked down a woman’s pants in the bathroom?
I don’t go into women’s bathrooms…
Then when was the last time you looked down a man’s pants in a public toilet, to check they had the approved genitals?
I wasn’t reflecting my feelings on the subject, was merely trying to understand why this has all become highlighted…
I was just pointing out that whether you use women’s bathrooms or men’s, the same point applies: this concern about the genitals of the person in the next stall is a weird non-problem cooked up by bigots, yet the politicians scramble to appease them.
So why do we have male & female bathrooms in the first place then …
Yes, why? A lot of spaces have unisex toilets, no problem at all
Good question.
Urinals. Most restaurants and cafes have unisex cubicles. When you get to pubs and nightclubs you can get more pee draining space per square foot with a urinal.
As far as I understand it nothing stops an establishment just declaring all their toilets as unisex. I’ve certainly been in a number of drinking establishments where this has been the case.
Originally they came about as a means of keeping women out of public life and in the home. Buildings would often designate toilets as “Men’s” as an excuse to make them inaccessible. Its really that daft and sexist.
Because men are rapists.
So instead of taking it out on everybody else, just address that actual issue.
How would they know what genitals someone has? Did I miss the memo where we’re supposed to look at other people’s genitals in the toilets? I’m not on board with this.
Hey so, I just wanted to let you know that trans women are often biological women, and penises are not inherently male or female.
Manufactured outrage
