Israeli Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich reiterates call for ‘hundreds of thousands’ of Palestinians to be forcibly displaced from Gaza

  • @BlackSheep@lemmy.ca
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    169 hours ago

    So, the Nazi’s sent Jewish people to concentration camps, did horrible things to their children (especially twins), gassed their relatives, displaced them… But they are now doing the same thing to Palestinians? I really don’t have a side politically. I just don’t understand.

    • @Auli@lemmy.ca
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      136 minutes ago

      OMG they’re just as horrible as the rest of humanity. Who would have thought.

    • @loonsun@sh.itjust.works
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      107 hours ago

      I’m Jewish and I don’t get it either, every Jew I see falling for this fascist rhetoric horrifies and disgusts me

    • Angry_Autist (he/him)
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      68 hours ago

      Focus in, this the action of a handful of powerful and violent people, not the act of a whole nation with a subjugated past.

      The people enacting these atrocities are just as much monsters and the people who oppressed their ancestors.

      • @Auli@lemmy.ca
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        236 minutes ago

        But the nation isn’t stopping him. He’s been voted in how many times. It isn’t like the people have no blame.

      • @BlackSheep@lemmy.ca
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        58 hours ago

        I refuse to take anyone’s side that murders innocent people. Children should NEVER be victims of political wars. When politicians that make these decisions put their own children in the line of fire, then tell me “I should really take a side”.

      • @BlackSheep@lemmy.ca
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        18 hours ago

        Is that an argument for a defence attorney defending a murderer? So, the murderer was hurt, and they are justified? And better yet, let’s hurt children.

        • @Skydancer@pawb.social
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          44 minutes ago

          It isn’t a defense at all. You said you didn’t understand. Abused people (or peoples) becoming abusive in turn is a common process, and that phrase is commonly used in such a way that searching on it will reveal many studies of the process, and what has been tried (successfully and unsuccessfully) to short-circuit it.

          Understanding is not absolution, though. You can both see how the genocide of Jews led to fears, politics, and colonial interventions that contributed to Israel’s genocide of Palestinians, and also condemn that genocide and those perpetrating it (which I absolutely do). But not understanding the motivations makes any problem easier to effectively resist or solve, as you can use that knowledge to determine where and how to apply pressure and create a lasting rather than a temporary change.

    • @Monomate@lemm.ee
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      29 hours ago

      My guess is that they believe leaving the Hamas alive is equivalent to allowing their territory be attacked again in the future. They want this war to be The Last One™ so thay don’t have to further spend military resourses in the future doing the same thing again.

      • @BlackSheep@lemmy.ca
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        38 hours ago

        So, women and children, and hospitals, and first aid people are expendable. OK. This world is filled with evil, horrible people. And history will never be learned. Oh, and is Trump going to be turning the displaced area into a resort?

      • @kreskin@lemmy.world
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        yep. Its been the same war for the last ~80 years.

        “We should prepare to go over to the offensive. Our aim is to smash Lebanon, Trans-Jordan, and Syria. The weak point is Lebanon, for the Moslem regime is artificial and easy for us to undermine. We shall establish a Christian state there, and then we will smash the Arab Legion, eliminate Trans-Jordan; Syria will fall to us. We then bomb and move on and take Port Said, Alexandria and Sinai.” David Ben-Gurion May 1948, to the General Staff. From Ben-Gurion, a Biography, by Michael Ben-Zohar, Delacorte, New York 1978.

        “It’s not a matter of maintaining the status quo. We have to create a dynamic state, oriented towards expansion.” –Ben Gurion

        Partition: “after the formation of a large army in the wake of the establishment of the state, we will abolish partition and expand to the whole of Palestine “ — Ben Gurion, p.22 “The Birth of Israel, 1987” Simha Flapan.

        On the 6th of February 1948, during a Mapai Party Council, Ben-Gurion responded to a remark from a member of the audience that “we have no land there” [in the hills and mountains west of Jerusalem] by saying: “The war will give us the land. The concepts of “ours” and “not ours” are peace concepts, only, and in war they lose their whole meaning” (Ben-Gurion, War Diary, Vol. 1, entry dated 6 February 1948. p.211)

  • Goldholz
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    551 day ago

    Cant wait to see the response of the “its just against the terrorists” crowd

        • @Keeponstalin@lemmy.world
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          211 hours ago

          Wouldn’t even have a list. The one anti-zionist in the Knesset, Over Cassif, has been repeatedly suspended. Not that one voice in a sea of genocidal voices is any real power to begin with, of course

    • @Md27@lemmy.world
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      2423 hours ago

      Israeliz are the terrorists with nukes in the area, it’s uncanny how they keep flinging accusations and throwing American weaponry at everyone that doesn’t like their land grabs

      • @Ledericas@lemm.ee
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        18 hours ago

        and thier use of AIPAC to fund politicians and donors in the states, have largely quashed university protests agains tthem.

    • d00phy
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      381 day ago

      Yeah, they’re still working on their final solution to this.

      • @WanderingThoughts@europe.pub
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        181 day ago

        Probably provoke every neighbor until it’s a big active conflict in the entire region and then say they’re the only one capable of “maintaining peace” aka kill everybody so better start sending weapons.

        • @Samskara@sh.itjust.works
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          113 hours ago

          Israel already won against their neighbors and Iran in this war.

          The main impediment to Israeli military operations are morale and manpower of the soldiers. Reservists aren’t showing up as they used to. They are tired, some opposed to the war.

          The reservists serving had their lives on hold and their businesses fail. It’s not sustainable. It’s impacting the economy as well.

          The IDF is overextended or will be soon. It’s a people‘s army with everyone serving. Refusal to serve has forced political change before.

          Netanyahu isn’t secure in his power either. If the Shin Bet and army don’t agree with his policies, a government crisis is possible. Elections are expected over the next year as well.