• _cryptagion [he/him]
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          62 months ago

          GOG also doesn’t support Linux. And I’m not gonna hold that against Epic if I don’t hold it against GOG.

    • Derin
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      Here’s a different take, as a game dev:

      Epic actual employs quite a few people who work with Linux. The Unreal engine (and even, to a certain degree, editor) has native support for Linux.

      The reasons they’re not including Linux support in their store front are two fold:

      1. There aren’t enough pure Linux users to matter, and whatever percentage of their userbase would use Linux isn’t going to be large enough to make a dent[1].

      2. The only serious Linux user base in gaming relates to the Steam Deck, a product that pushes a rival (and the dominant) store front.

      While Valve’s move to push Linux gaming is brilliant for us gamers, it also kind of cements us in their camp.

      There is absolutely no reason for Epic to support Linux in anyway, and it absolutely supports their bottom line to attack it.

      And, no, it isn’t because of any David v. Goliath tale of a little guy standing up to a brute: it’s because a fellow giant has decided to ally itself with Linux, and all of us have - invariably - been shuffled into their camp.

      I think the Epic Games Store has a place in this world as a niche storefront with limited visibility but higher access to sales profits as a result of that.

      They’ll never grow to the size of Steam, and that’s okay. The largest storefront in the world supports Linux not just on its platform, but by developing tools for everyone that makes Linux gaming viable. That is enough, IMO.

      ~[1] Edit: I was throwing around a made up 0.1% number earlier to indicate what I thought the number’d be - wasn’t meant to be factual, and was poorly worded, so I removed that.~

        • Derin
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          Totally made up, meant it more as a “this is my ballpark estimation of what their Linux player base would be” - though I agree I worded it poorly. I don’t know what % of Epic Games users would play on Linux if given the chance.

          I’m editing my original message, sorry about that!

      • @Railcar8095@lemm.ee
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        112 months ago

        2 is only true because they refuse to support it, and it’s going to be great to see them walk back everything they said once it’s too late. More handhelds are going to launch with official steamOS support, and a new batch of steam machines will come eventually, with a much better support.

        In the same way they tell how to side load an apk in android, they can could tell you how to install heroic on the deck.

        Hell, through 10-20 K to heroic and they will make it for you simple.

      • @woelkchen@lemmy.world
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        32 months ago

        There is absolutely no reason for Epic to support Linux in anyway

        Except for the fact that their entire technology stack already supports it and making Linux versions of their games is a compilation step away. Their Tencent buddies at One-Notebook would surely make a OneXPlayer with EpicOS. “Comes with Fortnite and get free games each week”.

        They’ll never grow to the size of Steam, and that’s okay.

        EGS has a massive installed base because of Fortnite.

        • Derin
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          It’s not about how easy it is to compile, my first point in my original comment was that they actively maintain an engine for Linux.

          The install base is too low right now. Hopefully as our numbers grow we’ll have enough market impact to warrant pushing other store fronts.

          Fortnite is great for Epic, but their debacle with Apple kind of proved that one popular game isn’t enough to push the public off one store front onto another.

          • @woelkchen@lemmy.world
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            22 months ago

            It’s not about how easy it is to compile

            But it is. It is what defines the cost of supporting a platform.

            The install base is too low right now.

            The installed base of Switch2 is 0% right now.

      • @Hudell@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        32 months ago

        And it was just a big coincidence that Epic removed Linux support exactly when the Steam Deck got announced…

      • adr1an
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        22 months ago

        But it’s the year of… Oh no. Rly? :(

    • @woelkchen@lemmy.world
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      62 months ago

      Do they officially support Linux yet?

      Unreal Engine has official Linux support since ages. Unreal Engine running on Red Hat Enterprise Linux is what movie CGI creators often use these days. It’s a highly lucrative market they’re not going to give up.

      Epic Online Services supports Linux as well: https://dev.epicgames.com/docs/epic-online-services/eos-get-started/platform-support (which includes Easy Anti Cheat)

      So when Fortnite and Rocket League have no Linux versions, it’s just because of lack of will, not anything technological.

    • This is fine🔥🐶☕🔥
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      It is hilarious.

      Epic tried getting users by giving them free games. But that didn’t translate to increased sales. And now they are trying to woo developers to abandon Steam, hoping that way customers will be forced to buy from Epic.

      They don’t understand that developers are on Steam because customers are there. And what does a customer get when they use Epic over Steam?

      • Spaniard
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        12 months ago

        They understand that devs are in steam because it’s where users are. Do you think they are stupid? There is no much they can do to bring users if there are no games, they are 15-20 years behind Steam in years of existence.

  • @notgivingmynametoamachine@lemmy.world
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    432 months ago

    Because they have to, because their store is based in bribing developers for artificial exclusivity in an attempt to hurt Valve for proving that Pig Swiney was a moron a decade ago when he said PC gaming was dead.

    This is all a vain attempt by a man child to get back at Gabe, and it’s abso fucking lutely a hilarious delight what an abject failure it all is.

    Garbage store with no customer services struggles and burns money, because that’s what’s lazy customer fucking cash grabs should do - burn. Fuck epic, fuck Swiney, and fuck you if you defend them.

  • I Cast Fist
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    412 months ago

    Yeah yeah, what about making the EGS program not suck for customers? An overglorified browser running on top of unreal engine, no user reviews for games…

    • Suite404
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      52 months ago

      The no user reviews is a terrible choice. I don’t understand why they wouldn’t have them. Maybe they’re afraid of spam on Fortnite. But I can’t imagine reviews on Fortnite would matter all that much.

  • @glitchdx@lemmy.world
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    232 months ago

    100% of $0 is still $0.

    I’ll spend my money on platforms that have proven to respect their customers.

      • @glitchdx@lemmy.world
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        132 months ago

        They could literally just copy steam, add their “we take less of a cut” thing, and be in a good place.

        Instead, using their storefront sucks, their customer service sucks, they lack features you’d expect of a major platform, and they’re pretentious dicks about it. Instead of fixing these obvious problems, they’re bribing devs for exclusivity, pumping their marketing with bullshit, and litigating apple over their app store (actually that last one is kinda great). The epic store today would be competition to steam if steam was still as it was 20 years ago when everyone hated steam.

      • @dogs0n@sh.itjust.works
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        82 months ago

        Competition is usually always a good thing, but sadly no launcher has ever brought anything new to the table that Steam hasn’t already been doing (they usually just bring headaches).

        Epic doesn’t want to compete fairly (by providing a great user experience, etc). They want to compete by paying for exclusives & bribing users with free games. Obviously this hasn’t worked because they are loweri g fees, likely to try to get the growth they just aren’t seeing.

      • @Jimmycakes@lemmy.world
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        52 months ago

        They don’t got a problem. Someone on reddit a while ago pushed for epic=bad so now years later people just parrot the same shit over and over like monkeys.

        These people in their minds are “friends” with steam. They gotta stick up for their buddies on the internet.

        • @FilthyHookerSpit@lemmy.world
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          I don’t think “epic bad”. But right now, I don’t see why I should use their platform when all my stuff is on steam. They should bring either: better experience or better value. Right now they don’t really do either. Sure they give you free games but I have 10x the amount on my platform of choice. I’m not married to steam I just want epic to give me a reason to use them.

      • @ryathal@sh.itjust.works
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        22 months ago

        For the consumer multiple platforms sucks. There’s already competition for selling steam keys as well. Epic doesn’t want to pay other platforms for anything fortnite, anything else they do is to justify why they shouldn’t have to pay like every one else.

    • @finitebanjo@lemmy.world
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      42 months ago

      TBH I haven’t seen evidence that layoffs generate capital. It just fudges cost to revenue ratios to emulate quarterly gains in hopes of appeasing shareholders.

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    Good for them, but until EGS starts being more pro- consumer, I’m not spending a cent there

  • @MSids@lemmy.world
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    202 months ago

    I can’t wait to get more games on my Epic deck, oh wait it was Valve who pioneered an incredible platform that can play AAA games on a handheld running Linux and made compatibility a reality for thousands of games.

    • Natanox
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      132 months ago

      They didn’t pioneer it, companies like GPD did. Not shitting in the Steam Deck, love that thing. Just wanting to get the facts straight.

  • @B0NK3RS@lemmy.world
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    182 months ago

    This is great and it’s not like they have shit revenue splits anyway as last I checked it was 88/12 which is by far the best around.