I 100% guarantee you there are very proper, professional teams of investigators who do prosecute rape thoroughly.
For women with rich dads.
*white women with rich dads
FTFY
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Brooklyn 99 was a genuinely good comedy
It was also copaganda
On the bright side, as far as copaganda goes it is pretty mild.
The cops are portrayed as human, and more often than not as incompetent idiots, the federal agents are almost exclusively portrayed as assholes, they never portray violation of rights or due process as a necessary evil, prison is portrayed as, quote, “real bad”, a pseudomasculine bigot gets punched in the face, a racist stop-and-frisker is unequivocally an asshole, the most competent cops eventually get sidelined, punished, or straight up quit in moral protest…
It is copaganda, but by the last season post-COVID and post-Floyd, you can feel the wind completely fall out of their sails. They try to wrap up the story quickly while acknowledging the ongoing horrors, and they do their best to recognize the role they played in romanticizing law enforcement by making it clear that everyone on the squad is disillusioned and disturbed by the system.
Several of them flat out quit, and they have an incredible scene of corruption in action where they make it clear that fixing the NYPD through its own internal buearacracy is literally impossible.
Still copaganda for most of the show’s run, and also absolutely a genuinely good comedy.
Fantasy comedy
Much like The West Wing
Edit: not that it’s much of a comedy, but it’s definitely a fantasy about how the executive branch should work if we had halfway ethical and competent people working there.
Watched it all again last year. Love me some competency porn.
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I don’t disagree
I don’t know. If anything shows how blatantly corrupt cops are, it is that show.
the MSMs would never allow it, especially if the owners are conservaties too.
It wasn’t. It had a few good lines/scenes, but not very funny to me at all. Couldn’t make it through the first episode, Sandberg just isn’t funny.
You kinda have to give any American sitcom at least half a season before you can really judge it. They pretty much all start out rubbish and it’s only when the actors grow into the roles can you tell if it’s actually gonna be good.
FWIW Brooklyn 99 was very much an ensemble comedy by the time it got going rather than primarily focusing on Samberg, even though he was still ostensibly the lead role.
I tried. I like all the actors, but Sandberg and just couldn’t do it. I’d rather rewatch scrubs or the office again.
Sorry I just said that because you said you couldn’t get through the first episode—I don’t think I’d have thought it was any good if that was all I saw either. The standard American sitcom rule I follow is 4-6 episodes before I can really tell if it’s actually gonna work, until that point the characters usually come across as 1 dimensional even if it ends up being good.
But fair play regardless, everyone likes different stuff!
No I get it. It took a few tries to get started in the office and in the wire also. I just don’t have the time anymore to wade through stuff that I just don’t really care for.
Right but just because you personally didn’t like it doesn’t mean it isn’t a good comedy. I understand that you are now saying it’s not something you personally care for, but your original comment was stating that it being bad was objectively true. Like, I can say that I think The Simpsons is a bad comedy, and I could provide a bunch of data to back it up but I can’t say that The Simpsons is a bad comedy, because how did it get to 36 seasons in counting if people weren’t enjoying it?
but not as hard as the current shows though.
Yeah as much as I love Jake and Amy and Captain Holt, B99 is copaganda. Once I saw it that way, I couldn’t watch it anymore.
Yeah CSI made you think that there was this dedicated team of people trying to get to the bottom of every case being very diligent and careful with every piece of evidence and the chain of custody, instead of a couple of dipshits who forget to label every baggie and throw everything to a box and toss it in the back room someplace.
csi made it seem like it was well funded/overfunded in the labs and investigations too. im pretty most of the funding goes into PR/campaigning and police salaries and pensions, rather than the operations to solve crimes.
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CSI was fun but not as thirsty/sucking off as NCSI. on a several instances the showrunner was virtue signalling at the end of the episode for them, with a message.(its military propaganda but also ties into copaganda too since its on the “civilian side”
Actual police in small towns are way closer to Reno 911 than Law & Order.
I’ve seen reno 911.
Ive also seen true evil where the sheriff rules the town with an iron fist, terrorizing everyone he wants to.
Surprised we don’t have more shows like that.
Watch the last season of Fargo.
The Rookie is another Copaganda show.
A bunch of cops all nerding out over following the law, ethical treatment of minorities, keeping each other in line, actively forcing out bad cops…
What planet is this?
I really like the cast and the show is fun, but it’s as much fantasy as the Rings Of Power.
on the other hand, maybe it will inspire people to become cops with morality?
i doubt it… but id rather hand a standard that they’re failing at, at leastI’m pretty sure anyone who becomes a cop to “reform it from the inside” will either be corrupted or pushed out. There’ve been a couple high profile cases of cops trying to reform, and they were rewarded with prizes like being shot in the head or having dead rats left in their mailboxes.
There was also a guy who was forcibly committed. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrian_Schoolcraft#Raid_and_involuntary_commitment
Oh, I didn’t know about this one. Thanks for the link. Adding it to my mental dossier on police bullshit.
This American life has some good bits on his situation.
https://www.thisamericanlife.org/414/right-to-remain-silent/act-two-0
while agree, they can only do that with so many cops at a time… What if, in a larger city, the entire graduating class of police academy is extremely morally motivated, and grew up inspired to be a by-the-book, actually good cop? They couldn’t fuck all of them up.
also, Serpico was a really good movie…
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all i’m saying is: it could be doing more good as inspiration, than bad as copaganda… i dunno… could be… maybe…I mean, technically true in a “picture a spherical frictionless cow” kind of sense, but not something you’re going to find in real life. Most people are susceptible to corruption. Cops have a lot of power, and we all know the saying about power corrupting.
On top of that, I’m pretty sure much of the training they’re getting to be cops is bad. They don’t spend nearly enough time on deescalation, I think , for example.
So many problems in all the other cop shows.
- Shooting at people running away
- The suspect is always guilty, we just have to prove it
- One bad cop per two seasons always from a different precinct
I’ve got a buddy that worked out of the same precinct the show supposedly takes place in. He obviously can’t stand any aspect of the show.
Hates it? Why? Because it’s completely unrealistic?
Because Fillions too pretty
Pretty much.
Edited to add: hate is probably too strong a word. He just doesn’t enjoy it and doesn’t watch it.
Recommended: The Rookie & Why Tech won’t save Policing
The irony with the punisher skull is that he loathed crooked cops, and they’re the ones who love the symbol the most.
The new daredevil tv show goes into this
Cause they know he isn’t real
Thank Jesus for The Wire
The one written by a crime historian, with help from a retired homicide detective
Go figure it paints the most realistic picture
Didn’t that show get only like one or two seasons?
5, and they only intended 5 to tell the whole story they had
And Homicide. When I started watching it, I was surprised when some episodes ended but the investigation didn’t lead to anything and the cops didn’t really care.
In The Wire, I really liked when the cop found out the code used by dealers. He started saying “Those kids didn’t go to school so the code should be simple…”
Believe it or not, also Copaganda
Oh, it walks a line for sure.
For those in doubt, check out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOXQpkUhZyc (also on Nebula)
I really recommend the whole series. It explains the origins of cop shows and their use as copaganda, as well as analyzing everything from Marvel movies to Paw Patrol in their depiction of law enforcement.
In Colorado right now, if a survivor goes through the ordeal of a sexual assault evidence exam, the state lab will take 554 days before they get around to analyzing it. (Here’s a CPR story about the backlog.)
The police aren’t there to keep you safe, they’re there to protect the interests of the oligarchs
Tesla Lives Matter!
The thing that always bothered me about law and order shows were that the detectives would easily believe someone’s alibi as fact and just move on. Then you watch a show the first 48 and all they care about is the conviction probability. They don’t care about facts, just what their likelihood of winning in court would be.
Or just who they don’t like/want to see put away. How many times cops focus on one person because they incorrectly assume they’re the guilty person, so they keep them in interrogation for 15hrs, emotionally and physically abuse them, threaten everything they have and their entire life, lie, manipulate, and just completely wear the person down until they falsely confess? It’s a grossly common problem. And then once they’re in the death trap maze that is the legal system, their life is basically ruined. But those cops get a pat on the back and they move on with their lives. While an innocent person rots away
Cops most likely commit more sexual assault than they prosecute.
Less than 1% of rapes lead to felony convictions.
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Hey! Did you hear about the kid who held the door against a school shooter, got shot a bunch of times, and survived? Yeah, there’s a picture of the kid in the hospital with a cop thanking the kid for doing the cop’s job. Because, we all know a cop would not have done the same–or even have been in the building.
I strongly dislike cop shows. Never been a fan of the gangster aesthetic. Can sometimes tolerate superhero stuff but it’s not really my thing.
I was shocked at how much I enjoyed Gotham.
Is the Wire a “cop show”?
I’d lean towards no. It’s a crime show(?)
It is because a good number of the cops on the show are criminals themselves. Just like real life!
No clue, haven’t seen it.
You should, it’s one of the best if not the best series produced.
pretty much every modern law enforcement tv show is copaganda.
Dick Wolf has made bank from it.
otoh whenever i think of svu i think of
barry allenjohn mulaney doing ice-t being confused about everythingI think of Chris Meloni scowling and occasionally punching people
I usally think of Chris Meloni from Oz and… ok dont worry about where this going.
a hybrid of copaganda, and military propaganda NCIS. especially the showrunner/writers goes all thirsty though.
criminal minds too, but FBI-ganda. pre-firing of Hotches actor.
