Other images displayed by Trump during meeting with South African president Cyril Ramaphosa were false or misleading
The evidence of supposed mass killings of white South Africans presented by Donald Trump in a tense White House meeting on Wednesday were in some cases images from the Democratic Republic of Congo, while footage shown during the meeting was falsely portrayed as depicting “burial sites”.
“These are all white farmers that are being buried,” said Trump, holding up a print-out of an article accompanied by a picture during the contentious Oval Office meeting with South African President Cyril Ramaphosa.
The picture accompanying the article was in fact a screengrab of a video published by Reuters on 3 February and subsequently verified by the news agency’s fact check team, showing humanitarian workers lifting body bags in the Congolese city of Goma. The image was pulled from Reuters footage shot after deadly battles with Rwanda-backed M23 rebels.
Lying liar lies again.
Honestly, I don’t know if he’s knowingly lying or just genuinely fucking stupid.
Fun fact, it’s both! He knows he’s lying all the time and doesn’t care. He’s also stupid.
My theory is that he’s so narcissistic that he genuinely believes every thought that comes into his mind is the truth.
hes like the system lords, they believe in thier own bs, because of thier narccistic personalities, except one.
That is certainly a fact, but I’m not sure I’d consider it a fun one.
This is the right answer. Life has already shown him that operating on a level playing field and being honest, really doesn’t get a guy like him very far. So the genius workaround is to lie your pants off instead, and build an alternative environment around yourself where you can’t lose.
Fascists can never admit that they’re wrong, becauae then their vaneer of being infallible immediately falls apart.
I still remember back in 2015-2016 when 4chan called Trump “God Emperor.” That mentality hasn’t gone away. Fascism is a cult.
The only “truth” that fascists believe is the “truth” of the fascist leader. Trump even calls his social media platform “Truth Social” FFS. It couldn’t be more blatent.
In his defence (feels dirty and weird typing that) he’s probably being lied to. I have very little clue about the legitimacy of information I get on world news, as everybody has an agenda and misinformation is so easy to create and disseminate. If he’s got to be on the case with basically every issue, he’ll just be getting fed information and has to trust that his advisors know what they’re doing. I wouldn’t bother fact checking everything if I were in that position, there’s simply not enough hours in the day.
Of course he’s also a confirmed liar and a known prick so who knows.
You can tell he is lying because he’s talking
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How does that happen? Who goes “text text text, blah blah blah, now I need a specific flag, let’s definitely type ‘flag’ and tediously look for the right one, because typing [country name] would be too easy”? I get that they look VERY similar and I couldn’t tell you which one is which if they’re side-by-side but that doesn’t fucking matter if you simply ask your keyboard for the country! Gaaaaaawddddddd.
Romania: 🇷🇴 Chad: 🇹🇩
Same for stereotypical USians going “yeeeeah 🇱🇷🇱🇷🇱🇷🇱🇷”
Legit identical on my phone.
Also I use the Liberia flag ironically all the time. It’s fun to see who notices.
There’s a miniscule difference in the yellow. Also eeeever so slightly more “shine” in Chad’s red.
source believe me bro
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Ramaphosa was right to ask “I’d like to know where that is”, when the “evidence” was shown to him live.
Other world leaders should be prepared to challenge Trump right to his face when he fabricates lies like this in those pathetic ambush attempts.
No other world leader should accept an invite to the WH. Right now it’s 100% an ambush.
Evergreen
I once got into an argument with a south African on reddit about white genocide. Even over there it’s a political issue, but the way he and many people describe it makes it seem like if you even set foot there as a white person you’ll get mugged.
I was saying I lived there for six months, spent a lot of town in the townships where it was only black people, and I legit never once was harmed. Yeah it’s dangerous but like, they act like they’ve never been in a dangerous neighborhood in the states.
But because I was an American sharing this perspective and they were South African, I got relentlessly shamed by redditors. To be fair I get where they’re coming from. If you have no clue about the issue and someone from another country trying to say something said about that persons own country is BS, it doesn’t look good. But it’s literally a political topic and he was coming at it from the extreme right perspective. Because I’m an American, like a dozen people took away from that thread that white genocide is real.
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They should leave, go back to Holland or wherever they came from
They didn’t take land. Their ancestors did. They were born and grew up in South Africa.
And yes, they benefitted from an absolutely horrible system of apartheid.
But telling them to “go back where they came from” is racist AF, just like it is when said to a brown person in the States. Don’t be that guy. They are where they came from.
And it’s always land, isn’t it. Inheriting some land, in this day and age, is worth much less than a good education.
Inheriting industries is much more problematic and can be solved, completely without reference to skin colour, by taxation. To fund the previously mentioned education.
To choose SA of all places for this particular agenda has to be the most ironic thing I’ve heard in a while 🤦♂️ quite brave asw considering Musk’s family history
Like he can tell the difference.
“Look at me, i am the fake news now” -Dictator Donnie
If there’s a continent where white genocide is justified, Africa sure is a front runner!
What about those that weren’t from Congo?
The one was a picture of a large number of crosses which Trump said was a burial site for 1000s of white farmers, when it was in fact a memorial following the death of 2 farmers. The memorial was intended to represent all farm deaths of all races. Farm deaths are an issue but the victims are of all races - they kill the farmers, their families and the workers.
There was a video of a political leader singing a song that translates to “Kill the Boer” i.e. kill the white Afrikaans farmer. This video is: a) more than a decade old, b) from a rally of a minority opposition party i.e. not the political party of the people Trump was meeting, c) from a political party that has been losing votes in recent elections, led by someone who was expelled from the ruling party, d) is of a historic protest song from the apartheid era i.e. more than 30 years ago.
This video resulted in a court case, where the court concluded that a “reasonably well-informed person” would understand that when a protest song is sung “even by politicians, the words are not meant to be understood literally, nor is the gesture of shooting to be understood as a call to arms or violence.”
This video was a big deal at the time but it’s not current, not representative of the government’s view, and the person depicted in it is increasingly being sidelined in South African politics.
While Trump is definitely exaggerating what’s happening there, I think you’re downplaying it a bit too much.
This video is: a) more than a decade old,
There were multiple videos, but the concerning part here is it looks like even in recent rallies Julius Malema has continued with this chant: https://web.archive.org/web/20250502020122/https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/02/world/africa/south-africa-kill-boer-song.html
It is ridiculous that there were no dates/locations for anything in these clips given what Trump is trying to claim here.
b) from a rally of a minority opposition party i.e. not the political party of the people Trump was meeting,
Yes, but it’s worth pointing out that the EFF is still one of the more popular parties. The 3rd or 4th largest party from what I can tell based on this list (and from what other articles have mentioned). https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_political_parties_in_South_Africa
It is good to hear that someone like him is increasingly being sidelined.
Thanks for pointing out the court case. After a little digging it looks like the court has ruled on this more than once. Back in 2011 they found him guilty of hate speech for the chant: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-safrica-malema/south-africa-court-finds-malema-guilty-of-hate-speech-idUSTRE78B2DD20110912/
And in 2022 the courts ruled that the chant should not be taken literally.
That chant when coupled with statements to his supporters such as “never be afraid to kill” is still alarming.
It reeks of “it was just a joke, bro” energy and what fascists try to do when they are testing the waters.
As I said, the song was a really big deal when it happened, there was a massive outcry. I believe the incident took place in 2013, the year Malema founded his party. His platform absolutely runs on hatred of white people, and this was a way for him to gain political relevance.
The objections to Malema singing the song went through the courts, as they should, and Malema had to go all the way to the Supreme Court of Appeal. (The final judgement is from 2024.) I would assume that he sang it again after that but honestly try to ignore him as much as possible.
However, there was no point in Trump showing videos of Malema to the South African delegation. They had nothing to do with it. In fact, the ANC promised in 2012 never to sing that protest song again (it was originally one of their protest songs).
More importantly, this video is not evidence of a white genocide, past, present, or planned.
Edit to add: The reality is that there is a notable segment of the population that is angry. The economy is bad, unemployment is crazy high, electricity is insufficient (load shedding is a disaster), violent crime remains high, etc. It’s easier for them to keep blaming white people than acknowledge that it’s been 30 years of black rule now. Malema is a symptom of these issues. A meaningful discussion around this topic would have been valuable, but that’s not what Trump did.
“Liar tells several lies, claims they are truth.”
“Okay, but what else did he say? Maybe we should listen to the liar?”
Oops, you weren’t supposed to ask about those.
Shared with me from a South African friend. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqvp1FOir4Y
I heard the photos were supplied by the US based neo fucking Nazi group American Tinker.
funny how the racists come out in the comments as soon as any thread mentions white genocide.
Doesn’t mean that we don’t have a violence issue in South Africa. Our killing stats are on par with countries at war. Think about that for a minute
No one is saying that South Africa doesn’t have a violence problem just that “white genocide” is a lie.
Indeed the president of South Africa said exactly that in the meeting.
I recall the SA president saying they do have a violence problem, just not in the way trump is describing it.
Yes sorry I was unclear. The South African president said that South Africa has a violence problem, not just for white farmers.
Ah, got it!
Sorry, I meant no one in this post. It’s not shocking that thr president would try to downplay someth8ng like that.
SA is violent however there isn’t an attempt by the government to genocide the white population
Well
Where is Congo?
Is it in the north?
I rest my case /s
Also doesn’t mean that the radical party EFF lead by Julius Malema (also known as Cunt) does not sing Kill the Boer at the rallies. Boer is Afrikaans for a farmer, it is also common slang for a white Afrikaner. If you think that is ok to do, you can fuck right off.
I’ll be honest with you I don’t give a god damn fuck. Kids getting bombed in Gaza, whatever trump cares about I do not. if he cares about white African farmers I do not.
My comment had nothing to say about Gaza. But OK I understand your view, killing of some is ok…
Can you point me to any examples of white genocide in South Africa? Surely there would be at least one news article.
Look at my other comment. I said their is a massive violence problem in south Africa. It’s a fact. When you have 25000 killings in a year that is not normal. Children, old women being raped and hacked to death. Anyone for that matter is not OK. You all don’t understand the situation you choose what you want to read, when you have family or friends that have been killed violently let’s talk again. Keep banging at those keyboards. At least my country had the balls to take Israel to the icj. I fucking dare one of you to spend 6 months here, I bet you wouldn’t last a fucking week.
Edit: here is one https://iol.co.za/sunday-tribune/news/2022-12-04-son-says-parents-were-soft-targets-in-farm-killing/
Where did I deny the violence in South Africa? I don’t deny that at all, and I sympathize with your plight as someone in the USA. I’m calling you out for conflating it with genocide, which is a terrible lie being pushed by really shitty people on the right.
It doesn’t matter what you said, I’m speaking about the goals of Trump which are part of what you’re talking about and my point stands.
If there was a button that I could press and kill one white African to save one person in Gaza I’d be pressing it all day long. White Africans are fine, often descendants of assholes and usually assholes themselves. They’re fine
That’s a far cry from genocide though
Kill the Boar
