Israel’s foreign minister has said that an arms embargo on his country would lead to the elimination of the Israeli state and “a second Holocaust”.
Gideon Saar was speaking on Tuesday at an international conference on antisemitism in Jerusalem.
“Does israel have a right to exist?”
The answer to this is: did nazi Germany have a right to exist?
I wonder if we can find a new way of describing the notion of “Israel existing.” It seems opponents believe we mean killing the occupants of Israel or (somehow removing the area entirely) rather than reforging the state itself. It’s not like we don’t want the geographical region to continue existing.
Israel has a right to become Palestine again.
Generally I’m not interested in what Israel as the right to become. I would rather “Israel doesn’t have the right to not be Palestine” (phrased better, perhaps?)
Israel has to become something. It can’t stay the way it is.
Allowing it to become Palestine again is just the compromise position.
Good point. Still, “not having the right to exist” sounds to me – and more importantly, to those undecided on the issue – like it’s encouraging the destruction of the things that are in Israel, not the entity of Israel itself. Which is obviously not a take that’s likely to attract support.
That’s why I say it has a right to become Palestine. It will still exist, sort of, but in a revolutionary new form.
And Israelis can become Palestinians.
Assuming they aren’t just settlers that moved there recently to steal land, of course.
if the world was fair, that tract of land in the middle east would become palestine, jewish immigrants would be allowed to live there and have full citizenship and rights, but a nice chunk of territory would be carved out of central or eastern europe to make “settlerania”.
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What Israel has a right to do is not relevant. America has the right to become part of Canada. Israel remaining as it is is the problem – and more to the point, the problem is that people don’t see that as the problem.
It doesn’t sound like that to me at all? What about that phrase signals anything about the destruction of anything except the entity of Israel? Outside of the way it’s propagandized against which would happen to any phrase.
You are probably very steeped in theory, and such words have a precise meaning to you. That’s awesome btw that you read and think about this a lot, but the people we need to advertise to don’t.
“destroy israel,” “israel doesn’t have the right to exist” and so on just sound to me like a call to evict israelis from the land. I have seen people on lemmy make this exact inference. A common response is “but what you want is also genocide,” indicating that people think those phrases really mean physically destructive action.
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That’s some expert-level DARVO right there.
Oh but it’s okay when Israel does it? Fucking hypocrites.
Nice joke
They can all fuck right off. There is so much I’d like to say but I cannot because I will be accused of inciting violence. Funny how Right wing and zionist incitement is allowed on social media, but when anyone left leaning says anything immediate bans. I’m hoping something of biblical proportions happens in Israel. Maybe it will turn into a self fulfilling prophesy, anyway, these are words, I can’t encourage anyone other than any gods out there to rain sulfer and all that. I sympathise with the left wing Jews in Israel, but unfortunately, the genocide continues and this is their governement. Much like Maga now is, like it or not, the face of America, well Genocide is now the face of Israel.
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Stopping me from doing genocide is literally genocide.
Tired of the israeli government using jews as a meat shield.
it certainly hurts Jews all over the world - many of whom are also against what is being done to Palestinians.
Maybe, just maybe, if you wanted to exist peacefully with your neighbors you’d stop indiscriminately bombing civilians and violating their civil rights.
Those people deserve to live in peace just as much as you. Stop being the aggressor. It’s not fucking hard.
Go educate yourself on how Israel came into being in the first place.
It wasn’t through peacefully asking Palestinians to share the land but by three groups, who gleefully wore the title of “terrorists” that bombed & killed their way into terrifying the populace.
It wasn’t the Palestinians that planted a bomb in the King David Hotel that killed 96 in 1947. It wasn’t Palestinians that carried out atrocities such as throwing babies into ovens in Deir Yassin and Tantura.
Israel was born out of collaboration with colonisers & imperialists, through selling out other Jews who opposed zionism, through a thousand acts of indiscriminate terrorism against the indigenous population and through an apartheid system since.
Bbbbbut what about October 7th?!!!
It’s history equivalence is the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising but Israel ain’t the oppressed fighting back.
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Palestinians deserve peace a lot more than their colonizers.
Not everyone believes in moral desert.
breaking into someone’s home and stealing it doesn’t make you their neighbor
Honestly not not sure if this is a pro-israel or pro-palistine comment. It reads like a condemnation of Israel’s current action OR Israeli bullshit to justify their genocidal actions.
Israel needs to stop bombing children. Full stop.
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Ethnic-Russians who lived on the same land for hundreds of years were targeted since or around 2014 - Ukrainian plans even bombing them, thugs beating them up, some hung by rope around the neck to die and some set on fire…since or before 2014. Russia was patient for manyyyy years, but couldn’t get the international community to act on behalf of Russians living in the Dobass or s.e-Ukrainian regions.
100% bullshit. Fuck off Nazis.
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Those were Russia and the Russia-backed “separatists” doing that in the areas the controlled. There’s not a shred of evidence of Ukraine doing anything like that, and plenty of evidence of Russia doing this.
If you were told otherwise, you were lied to. Putin loves telling these sort of lies in order to mislead people lile you.
but, Jews are god’s chosen people and their Talmud says that Jews are humans, but the rest of us are not human, but are just animals.
Israel is basically a rich kid with a dad who bails him out for ramming people with his Ferrari on a main street and still wants people to feel bad about his trauma
Good. Fuck israel. I hope to see it burn.
The irony is this violence is not from you. It spawned from Israel’s own actions. And when will they learn that their actions have consequences
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Well not to split hairs, but seeing as they are currently perpetrating Second Holocaust, it would have to be more like Third Holocaust. But the problem with the Israeli comments is that unarmed civilians aren’t very effective at holocausts.
“If you dont fund my genocide I’ll definitely be killed, because theres no way I’d stop my ethnic cleansing or give Palestinians their land and homes back.”
“If we end apartheid then it’s the end of South Africa!”
“If we don’t exterminate the Jews then it’s the end of Germany!”
We’ve heard this before.
But Trump said there is white genocide in South Africa now so ending the Apartheid was a bad idea!
Trump never said ending Apartheid was a bad idea. You insult our intelligence by thinking we’ll believe your lies.
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Not having an arms embargo is allowing the 2nd Holocaust right now.
