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A tweet states that National Guard or Active Duty military ordered to violate constitutional rights can call the GI Rights Hotline for support, with the number 1-877-447-4487 provided.
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We need to identify where on the Internet people who this post would speak to are congregating. While I don’t doubt there are some vets on Lemmy I doubt many active national guard are here. We should be smart with these posts
I know the air force subreddit has a lot of active duty members, maybe there’s a subreddit for the other branches
/r/Army and lemmy.world/c/army
Friends and family members might be here though.
I think it’s more like, if you know someone who is.
Forgive my ignorance, who even answers that hotline? What can they do?
Give legal advice, or direct you to the resources to get legal advice. From what I’ve heard from experts on NPR, JAG attorneys are still pretty competent and helpful to service members, but I he no personal experience to back this up.
Remember that institutions are not a requirement for conscience.
You’re not that special-if you’re feeling it, a lot if other people probably are too
You’re going to choose whether you live in a world where men with guns shoot civilians, or shoot (higher) officers who order them to shoot civilians. Sorry you gotta make that choice.
What lead you here? Who are you? Who do you want to be? How can you best be loyal to that?
When this is all over, you’re going to have to live with what you’ve done. Or not. Im telling you; the best therapists are or know people in those crowds.
Whose side are you on?
No. They should not shoot the officer that gives the order, that is a prison sentence no matter what.
The whole “disobey unethical orders” thing is for officers on the field receiving orders from command that they perceive as a warcrime (or against the constitution). They simply say “no, we aren’t doing that”.
If someone shoots an officer ordering war crimes that is justice, and probably why they don’t allow military members to be tired by public courts. They would almost certainly be acquitted.
Honestly I like how the constitution says everyone without exception is allowed a jury trial, but we just pretend that it’s okay for the military to not follow that. Like sure now they are volunteers, but conscription has a long history. It’s kinda fucked up when you think about it, and definently unconstitutional
No. You are 100% WRONG. Shooting an officer ordering a war crime is not justice … it is actually criminal behavior. It is not how it is done.
Source: The UCMJ (Uniform Code of Military Justice)
Because the UCMJ has done such a great job of preventing war crimes and punishing war criminals…
Just because something is illegal doesn’t make it unjust and vice versa.
After all according to the German military the holocaust was legal. If soldiers then murdered their officers they would have been seen by the world as heros.
Legality should not be the basis of your morality
Legality is a copium for libs
Dudes are saying that soldiers should shoot their officers if they give a “bad” order … that’s not how things work. Anyone that thinks it is has watched way too many movies.
Nobody said that, I certainly didn’t.
What I said was if your CO orders you to kill civilians it is absolutely moral to ignore that order and if necessary go beyond the law to prevent it even if that includes killing your CO.
There is a huge difference between a “bad” order and being complicit in war crimes and killing unarmed civilians in your own country.
Incorrect. At least read the conversation you are trying to enter. There are several references stating this should be done. One post even describes where the term “fragging” comes from. The post I responded to stated a soldier could either live with the guilt of what he does or turn on the officer that gave the order.
You are also wrong that you can disobey an order to shoot civilians. It is not always morally acceptable. That will get someone a court martial. A soldier on guard duty on a military base sees several guys jumping a fence and entering an ammo depot. “Halt! Are you guys military? Because I’m not allowed to shoot civilians breaking onto a secured facility” … said no soldier ever in the history of soldiering.
but that’s illegal!
If this pops off, there are no laws. It’s just men with guns. Your lib shit is going to get people killed. Lots of people. Your lib shit is how you start a civil war. Stop. Delete this comment. Im trying to reduce harm here, you’re clearly into accellerationism.
the officers should
Yeah. Yeah they should. And if they don’t, their soldiers should protest, by issuing a report in .768.
Political power, when there is no mutual respect or goal, comes out the barrel of a gun.
Edit: they’ve already violated both the Geneva conventions, as is standard, and the constitution of the united states. Every point in the chain of command is a chance to stop an atrocity. The soldier holding the gun is the absolute last failsafe, and if things get to that point, everything else has failed. Civil society has, at least locally, failed and no longer exists.
Calm your fucking tities! If you just refuse illegal orders, they won’t usually do shit against you, just court martial you. Or attempt to. They can’t execute everyone
If the officers learn that issuing these orders is unwise, the entire artifics of power will balk, and they may stop trying to massacre civilians this way for a few years.
What if you refuse, but the guy next to you already shot a protester?
This administration does not give a shit what the courts or constitution have to say. Do you not remember what these people are protesting? Can you repeat for me, so i know you know?
Why do you think an institution that orders people to shoot unarmed civilians still deserves your faith and respect? That’s a genuinely vile level of boot licking.
Edit: so, looks like the constitution of the united states is being violated now. Counting on due process to punish failsafes for failing at this point seems like you just want it to happen.
They will feel nothing over shooting civilians cuz “tHeY dId nOt GaVe tHaT oRdeR” being a bag of meat is a special skill ngl
edit: changed a word, to not mislead people into thinking I do not respect sexworkers.
Please dont compare soldiers who would shoot civilians to sex workers. I’ve only ever met one sex worker who would do that, and even he wouldn’t have abdicated agency.
Edit: he would also need to be paid in advance. Paid a lot more than any national guard soldier.
Well I had a feeling like people could think I do not like sexworkers cuz I used “whore” word.
But maybe I should use something different yeah, I mean I have more respect for sexworkers than soldiers.
Generally: saying ‘ima get drunk and go a’whorin, wanna come with, maybe fuck after if we both fail at that second part?’ Is fine.
Saying ‘that vile fucking whore sold out the entire cult! I thought we believed in something!’ Is shitty and a slur degrades sex workers
‘Nope, gotta go whore myself out to walmart for a few hours, because i need to pay rent and haven’t found the market for hot-in-the-right-light burn victims. Yet. Wish me a pimp that doesn’t steal my money!’ Would generally be nodded to by sex workers
I just logged on to post this and was pleased to see it at the top of my feed o7
I’d suggest all service members from all branches of military to expect to be made to do blatantly fascist things. Do not be a tool of a dictator; do not simply follow orders. Fully prepare to quit in protest, or fully prepare to be a perpetrator.
The get suicided hotline
Fuck off
What does this random collection of words even mean? This is an English-language forum.
