I’m at a point now where I can’t wait for this all to blow up. Literally and figuratively.
Going after our farm workers is not going to end well for anyone. I can only hope that someone in power will wake up and do something about it.
They just need to make them prisoners and then they will be able to get back to working in the fields again.
The people in power all see this as an absolute win. The things they’re trying to do about it is hire more ICE agents. It’s going to take a while before this blows up, and the only real way out of it is to hope that we have elections in a few years.
Ah yes, the dangerous criminals that are out farming for slave wages. Good job ICE. I’m assuming that ICE is going to punish the farmer that employed these dangerous criminals? ICE has entirely lost the fucking plot…
I can’t wait for those MAGAS to finally get those lost jobs, and go pick up fruits and veggies for * check notes * 2 dollar an hour!
Surely we’ll see republicans back to the farms, any moment from now
lost the fucking plot
Oh they never had it to begin with. They were always just nazis, but now the leash is off. Even worse, they’re being pushed to fill quotas, which incentivizes recklessness and cruelty.
The plot is to make people angry enough where they do something worthy of getting black bagged. The US government wants people to act irrationally.
Yet Americans belong to their many denominations of a imperialist death cult of toxic positive optimism. We are cooked. No party will save us. Life is about to become impossible.
This is such a limp dick country… I fucking hate the USA… Genocidal fascist imperialist shit stain of a country.
Make America Hard Again!
Real Americans don’t eat vegetables!
That’s why they got so much ass cancer hahahaha
It works out better for them if we are dead, they have what they need to move forward and it doesn’t work with us alive.
Cool, so we can look forward to empty shelves in grocery stores for domestic products and steep tariffs on foreign food products?
food is going to get so fucking expensive…
like eggs, we’re heading toward a produce shortage. Our supply of eggs is fine now, but prices are still high. They’re gonna do the same thing with produce.
Oh but your average employment-seeker will totally line up to do that job for slave wages, so it’s all gud. /s
Every day I get news about the gestapo capturing the enemies of the reich and throwing them in box cars, and I hear nothing about citizens doing anything to stop them.
There are protests and people mobbing ice agents and standing in front of the boxcars and stuff. In LA/Paramount there were enough that they shit their pants and called daddy for backup. It’s not really possible for these remote farming communities to have mobs of people overwhelming ice because there just aren’t that many people in the middle of nowhere farms.
If you haven’t heard about any resistance activity I strongly recommend you reconsider how and where you consume media.
100% this. There’s been resistance everywhere over this. Minnesota drove out a bunch of ICE agents from their neighborhoods, there’s been major protests all over the US about it. Like… we’re for sure doing it.
ICE is sneaking around the back roads in my city, and a local network sends out warning messages to local immigrants. I’m looking into what I can do as a citizen to make it more difficult for ICE, but I’m impressed by the messaging network that has been set up.
Be sure to let them know about privacy services. Don’t want them to be tracked doing the lords work.
I think they’ve got this on lock? But if you were to recommend something, what would you tell them? Most immigrants use WhatsApp anyway, which is secure, but i do have a friend who’s closely allied with this group.
WhatsApp doesn’t really have as much of the baggage that the rest of Meta does, but it is still their product, so I would move if possible. Signal is another good app to get people on. At least if there is a “core” team that is sourcing and redistributing info around should be made aware of privacy and anonymity, so that the network does not get decapitated so to speak.
The Hated One is a good youtube channel with resources around protesting. The guy is a bit of a paranoid, but his points still stand. He has some vids on how to make a burner phone. Some mesh network apps, and some info about removing metadata on digital files that might get shared around.
As we get serious about protesting we need to be serious about our digital and physical security. We don’t want to use pages that can be taken down, nor do we want to give information that will allow ICE to take down our resistance networks in detail.
If they use the same back roads you could set up traps.
Use a drone to drop paint on their windshield when parked.
Or drop liquid ass on the groups of cops/ICE, and/or their cars.
Or if you know an ICE person, anonymously dox them.
What is liquid ass? I feel like this is a typo but I love it.
Wonder if an app is needed… but that would probably get banned pretty quick
The local Hispanic community started the message chain for the local Hispanic community, and they definitely have the system worked out amazingly: I get messages (in Spanish) about the presence of ICE in specific locations, as well as messages quashing false rumors about ICE. I know people in this organization are even following ICE vehicles around and messaging covertly… I mean, it’s just super impressive. Every undocumented immigrant I have asked (I know a lot) is already connected to this message group. I don’t know that an app would improve it in any way?
Though, the group seems to be using some sort of program because when I signed up I got a few automated messages asking for some of my information, and I know that multiple people are messaging through this number with notifications.
Regardless, go team! They are doing so much good.
Because American voted for this, and many racists on the left used every excuse in the book to not vote for a black woman
Like the scene in Andor. That series was very on point when it comes to the political landscape in the US today.
Almost like authors and artists have been warning us since the beginning of time
Babylon 5.
Which episode did B5 ever have farm workers running from Stasi? That said, B5 was on the nose with political commentary, they didn’t mask it much.
also like the BOYz.
These complete morons will not have food if these people do not pick the food.
Gaza is the testing grounds for what life is about to be like in the West. Starvation will be used as a weapon eventually, and who’s gonna stop them?
who’s gonna stop them?
I guess we’ll be finding out in LA.
I’ll believe it when I see it. Police could bomb their own cities with plastic explosives and Americans won’t do anything about it.
I wonder how many mid-50s or older Americans are on Lemmy?
You didn’t need to be alive when the MOVE bombing happened in order to know about it.
We used to actually learn about shit like this sometimes in public schools…
That’s true, and I did already know about it.
However, being 1 year old at the time it happened I wasn’t in a position to speak up about it or to “allow” it to happen unchallenged.
Us greybeards are here…
Hey, I have a little grey in my beard!
As someone who was only just alive in 1985 though, I’m curious where you were in the US in 1985 and if you remember how big or widespread the news coverage was on the MOVE bombing?
I was in H.S. in 85… I don’t remember anything labeled MOVE bombing. Back then it was still big 3 networks for me, I had no cable. Everything was appointment TV including the news.
Definitely more or fewer than you think. Unless you’re absolutely phenomenal at guessing.
I mean its going to be streaming on all channels, all day today, tomorrow, and the especially Saturday.
If you aren’t seeing it, it might have more to do with where you are looking.
The protests won’t go far enough to make a difference and fizzle out like every other “movement” in American history.
You’re right. We should stay indoors and do nothing instead, which will surely make the fascists give up.
None of them have done enough, but plenty have accomplished partial wins.
Of course they won’t, years of docile programming via reality TV shows, and ma sports!
Jokes on them I’ve been dealing with food scarcity for most my life. I forsge more than I shop.
The problem is most don’t and it’s not a sustainable practice for a large sedentary group.
training with the IDF, and using PALINTR by the leo to track people down.
They can’t really do that in America, there’s too much land and room and food. They could temporarily trap a population within a city by surrounding it with some barricades and stuff but that won’t last long. The population size of the US has a massive ratio of more citizens than law enforcement and military. They can’t take us all.
For someone like me, if the food supplies were all cut off I could just live off of the land by hunting, fishing, and farming.
For someone like me, if the food supplies were all cut off I could just live off of the land by hunting, fishing, and farming.
A government that is willing to cut off food supplies, isn’t likely to allow people the freedom to farm, fish or hunt.
First of all, I don’t ask for permission, I do what I want. Freedom can be enforced by the will of the individual.
Secondly, you may be failing to grasp the scope of the American landscape and how difficult it would be to monitor forests, lakes, and rivers.
They can’t really do that in America, there’s too much land and room and food.
50% of the produce we consume is grown in the California central valley. The rest is grown in a few areas of the Great plains and in Florida.
Most of the food you see growing anywhere else isn’t for people, it’s for livestock.
For someone like me, if the food supplies were all cut off I could just live off of the land by hunting, fishing, and farming.
I think you are overestimating just how much food “the land” can provide. You need around an acre a person for subsistence farming, and that is assuming you live in a region that has a decent climate, that you have irrigation, and have access to modern fertilizer and pesticides.
As far as hunting and fishing goes… If a large sector of the population had to live off the land, the wildlife likely wouldn’t last a single season. The only reason we still have the wild animal populations we currently have is because there are strict regulations monitoring the amount of people who hunt and fish.
Early Americans were able to devastate a larger healthier ecology with a tiny fraction of our current population. Most of our country’s natural Forrest and woodland were already destroyed and artificially rehabilitated over a hundred years ago. We have very few old growth Forrest for us to actually live off of.
If it weren’t for petrochemical fertilizer the natural nitrogen cycle wouldn’t be enough to sustain our current population. Since the invention of the haber process in the 1930s we are all just a bad year away from food insecurity.
There are areas and kinds of people who can live off the land, in one way or another. They do exist.
They aren’t the majority or the targets here, but they’re around.
The rest is accurate, but the military really is in the same boat as the rest of us.
There are areas and kinds of people who can live off the land, in one way or another. They do exist.
They can live off the land when the vast majority of the population isn’t trying to do the same. Hungry human populations are worse than locust, we can absolutely destroy entire ecologies in weeks.
the military really is in the same boat as the rest of us.
In the scenario they proposed the military would be controlling the means of food production. This isn’t something we have to guess about, there’s plenty of examples of intentional famines like what the Brits did to Bengal, and the Irish, or the Soviets in Ukraine, and unintentional like during China’s cultural revolution. During those famines the military didn’t starve, the common people did.
If those populations who were already subsistence farmers and hunters couldn’t “live off the land” then what makes you think anyone on lemy is going to do any better?
Okay so I’m going to ignore most of what you said because i already replied to it, but:
I’m not sure they could control the means of production here. A lot of it is in and around areas that arent ideal terrain for fighting on their side.
I’m not sure they could control the means of production here.
You don’t think a military force could control the supply line of some farmers? Most of which are already owned by large conglomerates that would gladly follow the orders of the government…
A lot of it is in and around areas that arent ideal terrain for fighting on their side.
Have you been to the central valley? It’s just large open fields and orchards surrounded by gentle rolling hills, it’s not the fucking korengal valley my dude.
There are areas and kinds of people who can live off the land,
Sure… And have you ever entered a major US city? What, are people going to “live off the land” in the middle of Central Park? Millions of New Yorkers?
Okay did you read the rest of what i said?
alabama tried this in the past, they lost billions from doing this. florida is currently going through this, as well.
I’d be careful with that last point - when a modern people is suddenly forced to turn to the land for sustenance instead of the industrial supply chain, overfishing and overhunting become problems quickly…you won’t be the only person out looking for a meal.
Another point to add.
People will likely become a targets of other people hunting.
When there is only so much to go around…
Well at least our animal ecosystems are currently robust and thriving, right??
Wild hogs certainly are.
Get a couple of analog meat thermometers, you don’t want the worms in them bad boys.
I think more human lives will be lost than wild lives, but I can be wrong.
They could temporarily trap a population within a city by surrounding it with some barricades and stuff but that won’t last long.
Why wouldn’t it last long? Is there some sort of organized fighting force of the people we’re not aware of? Didn’t think so.
The population size of the US has a massive ratio of more citizens than law enforcement and military. They can’t take us all.
Yet they already are.
For someone like me, if the food supplies were all cut off I could just live off of the land by hunting, fishing, and farming.
Ah yes, the government has famously left people like you alone and totally won’t turn your land into gravel, drain your water table, and dump the pollution into your river.
Why wouldn’t it last long?
Yeah, looks like someone has never heard of the Siege of Serajevo. Really was not that long ago…
Garbage doomer take. Have the courage to find some optimism in life.
Biting the hand that feeds you is a bold move
The “poors” wont have food. Not once will they ever consider that the poors provide them with their treats and they will wake up one day and be told there are no treats.
Maybe they need to get off their obese behinds and get agricultural jobs.
Like some sort of… (I cant even think of the right slur)!?
How dare you suggest that! Im white!
No but see i can just pay more and have food.
How much does an ICE agent make?
Does a government job pay well enough that they can afford their grocery bill doubling? I have a government job, and I’m thinking of leaving to start my own thing, because I can anticipate that we’re not going to be able to afford to eat for much longer. The selection of produce in stores is already getting worse.
Okay but no, see, i can just pay more and it’ll be fine. Markets will save me.
There’s no such thing as ‘there just isn’t any of that’.
They are not paid to think.
Any wonder why this is happening in Ventura county and not Florida?
Because Trump and co specifically hate California and know there will be pushback. They want pushback. They want to escalate it to violence to justify the violence they are already inflicting.
Surely this will decrease food prices /s
This at the same time maga is calling for a boycott of walmart. They just keep punching themselves in the face.
They just keep punching themselves in the face.
wake me up when it actually starts to affect their polling.
Someone posted the other day something like “A stupid person is someone who creates net negative gains. For example, they hurt themselves and others, and gain nothing from it.”
Sadistic people like seeing others harmed. They will bear costs to themselves for the sake of seeing others suffer.
Is it sadistic to enjoy seeing people who voted to hurt others, only for themselves to be hurt by those they voted for?
The suffering is the point with the maga death cult.
I heard one say trump shouldn’t have to pay taxes but its ok they pay taxes. They will give anything to see a drop of suffering from the people they hate.
Yeah but who got in trouble for hiring them? Did the farm owner run?
It’s only a crime to be an exploited worker. It’s not a crime to exploit workers.
Well said. Fuck.
It’s a crime to be poor. It’s not a crime to be rich.
It was never about right or wrong or morals. It has always been about control. 97% of modern politics is to distract from this.
That’s how you know this is all political bull shit. If they actually wanted to solve the “problem” in a much easier, more efficient way, then they would just go after the people that hire them.
Farm owner likely voted for this.
Owner called up ICE because he heard the word “union”
America is about to be really “healthy.”
We’ve already seen the ghost of Christmas future here, it’s when Georgia implemented their live scan law and all the small and mid size farmers in Georgia lost their whole harvest (and subsequently, the farm) because they just couldn’t get Americans to come and pick for what they’re willing to pay. A lot of these farmers voted and stumped for Trump, believing that certainly the face eating leopard who eats everyone’s face and promises to eat everyone’s face wouldn’t eat their face. Get ready for a lot of “waaahhh, I didn’t think he would hurt meeeeeeee” from these guys as millions of pounds of tomatoes rot on the vine this summer.
Also, this just fucking sucks. I live in the central valley, ag is a really big deal here, and a lot of ag workers are really hard-working stand up folks. Nobody deserves ICE, but these folks especially don’t deserve it. I’d like to take this opportunity to wish ICE agents a very merry court date ASAP.
And the bankrupt farms will be bought up en-masse by corporations owned by Gates and other billionaires who will “make a deal” to let them get away with
slaveimmigrant labor. It’s part of the plan.I wish these assholes rapid lead poisoning.
Second to that, a careful and thorough rout of them all, prosecuted heavily and drained of any assets by their victims for violating due process.
“They’re just taking innocent people who are trying to build their own American Dream,” said Daniel Larios with the UFW Foundation. “This is not law enforcement. It’s a campaign of fear against people whose only ‘crime’ is living and working in the U.S.”
When everything is illegal, nothing is illegal.
Doesn’t mean people won’t suffer, but when people have nothing to lose and everything to gain and will suffer regardless, then what?
but my chains are the only thing i have left ;-;
