This is HORRIBLE! WHY can’t Iran just let Israel Bomb Them in PEACE? IRAN IS ANTI SEMETIC!
Ikr? Also if you’re against Israel bombing hospitals full of children you’re anti semetic! /s
fucking trigger happy Netanyahu should be publicly dragged behind a chariot until he dies for his genocidal crimes and bringing the world to the brink of third world war.
wow so sad, it’s almost like they started multiple wars or something
I feel terrible for every citizen killed or made homeless/jobless because of this.
Hopefully they take the opportunity for a fresh start and move out of the settler occupation of Palestine.
Fun fact: every citizen of the entity is considered a reservist so there ARE no civilians! If you’re a settler you’re a valid target no matter what!
Idk man. If you’re a child, a unhoused, or a otherwise a person without the economic means to leave because your ancestors were settlers and you just so happened to be born in the colonized land, I’d consider you a civilian. I think your view is too black and white.
Screw you if you’re a deliberate Zionist benefiting from genocide though.
Israelis aren’t walled in and prevented from leaving like Palestinians are in Gaza.
Israelis have no practical excuse to continue their occupation, especially when everyone is forced to serve in the IDF to actively aid the occupation rather than just passively.
As long as they are not on active duty, they shouldn’t be targets. And if they are forced to serve, they should still only be killed if they are an active threat. Normally, they should first be offered to surrender.
Hope you’re acting ironic and do not actually call to genocide all Jews in Israel.
No, but all Israelis that are zionists maybe.
Zionists are not Jewish people, they are actually against Judaism.
I believe it’s the Talmud that says Israel cannot exist until the messiah returns. This is why you have many religious Jews in the US against the state of Israel.
Zionists are the one and only antisemites.
Zionists are mostly Jews, but Jews are mostly not Zionists.
But yes, according to Talmud, Israel shouldn’t exist.
There are more Christian Zionists than there are Jews in total.
“Zionists are mostly Jews” is an objectively false statement.
Maybe specifically in Israel the statement could be seen as true, but that’s only because Israel is a jewish settler ethnostate, so most of almost any grouping would be a majority Jews.
Zionist are not jews. They might say they are but the are against Judaism just like southern Christians are not Christians.
Hope you’re acting ironic by saying that you can commit a genocide, put your gun over the fireplace you murdered a family to steal, and suddenly not be a valid target.
It doesn’t matter if you put your gun down as a settler colonizer. You’re still actively engaging in the genocide. You are still a valid target.
And the objective of any just war is to expel you.
Normally, they should first be offered to surrender.
Get on a plane and go home. No one’s stopping you. That’s your opportunity.
How are you engaging in genocide if you do not take part in the war? And especially if you denounce the actions of your government? Is being born in Israel enough to be seen as a genocidal maniac?
I swear this “settler” discourse is gonna drive me crazy at some point.
How can you call me a robber just because I accepted all of these stolen goods that were stolen specifically for me to have?
Shut the fuck up holy god
Good. Go crazy. Shut the fuck up.
Is being born in Israel enough to be seen as a genocidal maniac?
If you join the IDF yes it fucking is. And why are you acting like this is something that happened at the dawn of history? These are not people who were born there. These are people who settled there because they were told they could murder people and steal their homes. Stop making ahistoric excuses for fucking fascists, you fucking fascist piece of shit.
In no way to be a snob, but could we tone it down? After all, we’re mostly on the same page on that the state of Israel is committing war crimes, we only differ in who we blame for it.
Back to the substance:
First, Israel as an independent state exists since 1948, so yes, the absolute majority of people living in modern day Israel were born there; they are not the same people who came to displace Palestinians all those decades ago.
Second, I did not talk about IDF soldiers. Those who voluntarily joined Israeli armed forces do take part in an act of evil, and deserve to be judged. I do not support the same notion in respect to Israeli civilians and those on mandatory service.
Third, in your robber hypothetical, where are the Israeli civilians? Do they have to renounce their citizenship and go live abroad not to receive “stolen goods”? Someone who is opposed to the war taking place are not “robbers” here.
I don’t want to talk ethics, but as a rule of thumb, winning a war is easier if you take out strategic targets than if you target civilians. Targeting civilians is what you do if your weapons aren’t precise enough to target tanks/planes etc.
If they voted for Netanyahu they asked for it, and I have no sympathy.
Well I’m glad all of your elected officials represent your views and morals.
The majority of Israelis supports the genocide of the Palestinians according to surveys and more than half of jewish Israelis support attacking Iran even without US support.
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The majority of the world is critical of ALL Americans now for Trump, he was elected twice, thant’s on them all. Israelis have expressed majority support for this ongoing genocide and attacks on Iran, this is on them all. Bomb a soverign nation “pre emptively” get bombed back.
Fuck the entire Israeli government and anyone who supports it.
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every citizen in Palestine and Iran too right?
RIGHT?
Of course! All citizens.
Just a reminder: 82% of all the Israeli Jews support ethnic cleansing in Gaza.
Just saying.
It feels like there’s reason to inflate those numbers both for Israel and Palestine. Do we know they’re credible? Genuinely asking, I’m not sure from my cursory searx.
What kind of citizen? Palestinian? Iranian?
What the other commenter said. All citizens.
All
What they can’t do some wars and genocide now???
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Let’s see military objects used against Gaza and Iran getting destroyed. Do not raze countries to the ground.
Good thing they are…
Yay for that! Hope as many generals as possible got into the fire
Talk about getting a small dose of your own medicine
Oh poor Israel thought Iron Dome will protect them. Iran learned a lot from Ukraine. Drones in masses are enough to penetrate the shield. And don’t forget that the Iron Dome costs Israel 1 billion USD for each night in full defence mode. It only takes a couple of days, weeks until the Iron Dome is empty.
Except the US will unilaterally restock the missiles at the expense of the holy american tax payer.
How long can we afford to do that?
“quantative easing”
Literally printing money
can’t fire money, can’t print industrial capacity
While there’s infinite money, there’s very limited industrial capacity, because the US de-industrialized itself. The US and Europe combined already can’t keep Ukraine supplied.
I meant more politically and materially than just monetarily.
If we cut social programs at home and continue to send/ ramp up even more billions to support Israel it will just create even more unrest, which is already at a low boil.
We also don’t have unlimited manufacturing capabilities. How much material can we sacrifice without weakening our own access to these resources.
Given the political climate, money isn’t really the issue. The issue is how many THAAD missiles do we have stockpiled, how fast can we make them, and how fast can we ship them?
Depends on how much of the US military gets deployed in the US…
Where are you getting this $1B figure? It appears the main cost is rockets, which run about $50k per. $1B would account for launching 20,000 rockets. There are 10 batteries in Israel with at most 80 rockets each, so a maximum of 800 rockets. That means 25 reloads a day. Is it really burning through that many rockets daily or is there more to this?
I would assume that operational and logistics costs apply to this figure. Aka shipping and handling, which is never free.
This. And all the repairs. Also we’re talking here about military stuff. You don’t use FedEx to ship that. Military personell + equipment is expensive as fuck. Efficiency is not of priority.
War is such an insanely expensive hobby it makes me kinda sick.
Emphasis on the USD?
Know that US gives fake loans (forgiven the same day) for all IDF expenses. This is somehow not part of US miitary budget even though they pay for everything.
There probably would be peace in the Middle East if Israel didn’t exist
Were there not an Israel the USA would have to invent an Israel to protect her interest in the region.
Well, considering that the US and Britain literally invented Israel, that tracks.
I’m curious and have no idea. Source? I never heard of this.
Just look up the history of Israel before it was given statehood and of Zionism. Here is a good article by the Guardian. warning, it’s a very complicated situation, all in all, and this article really gets into the nitty gritty of history. Literally, deep into it. It’s some heavy reading.
Boiled down though…
After the defeat of the Ottomans and their empire partitioned off to various countries after the Sinai and Palestine campaigns of WW1, the British were given control via a mandate by the League of Nations over a territory that became known as the Mandate of Palestine, but it was still mostly Arab citizens, the British were just given authority to maintain order in the region.
During the years of occupation, the British government encouraged European Jews to settle the region in an effort to fulfill political obligations to the Zionist movement made at what is known as the Balfour Declaration. This caused a civil war to break out over the whole colonization thing.
With the end of the Mandate over the region drawing to an end, and the tensions of the area heightened after civil war, the U.N. voted to subdivide the Mandate of Palestine into two separate states: Palestine and Israel
That link starts off saying this is an article from 24 years ago, and I’m thinking wow, a cool chance to read an article from the 70s, and then I see the date reads 2001!
Here a good article about british complicity into heping the creation of the state of israel
https://www.declassifieduk.org/how-britain-supported-zionism-and-prevented-palestinian-freedom
Short version is that in WW1, the UK conquered Palestine from the Ottoman empire. 1922-1948, the British ran the territory, getting shot at regularly by both native Arabs, the tiny number of native Jews, and the comparatively much larger group of immigrant Jews. In the 1940s, the UK asked for and got US help with counterterrorist operations, especially against Jewish ones. Arabs and Jews pinky promised to play nice with each other if the UK left, so rather than continue getting shot by everyone in the region, they left. Arabs and Jews immediately started a war as soon as the UK army left. Then, every single neighbouring country attacked the newly formed Israel, which they somehow survived.
(Missing HUGE amounts of context and nuance here, obviously)
You two just left out the entire nakba.
Yup. Did specifically say that I was missing tons of stuff in that super short summary of the formation of Israel. Also left out the Balfour declaration, the White Paper of 1939, the Buraq uprising, the Black Hand, Lehi and their attempted alliance with Nazi Germany, and much much more.
The British restricted Jewish, particularly Zionist, immigration to Palestine towards the end of the Mandate. And abstained from voting for the creation of the partition at the UN.
Yea, they say they restricted the Jewish immigrants. Yet, if you read the article posted in my other comment, you’d see that their actions during the time period of their mandate speaks a different tale.
Them abstaining from the vote is purely performative, and doesn’t negate the rest of what they did to facilitate the colonization of Palestine.
The british should have stopped the zionist army after the zionists terrorist act against their personels ftom creating the terrorist state
a "little loyal Jewish Ulster in a sea of potentially hostile Arabism
Is that a quote from somewhere?
Yep as is the one above. Look into these quotes and you’ll see the history of why the west are supporting this genocide with their actions even if outwardly they’re doing their best to obfuscate
Probably not, sadly.
Went to the toilet and missed this one please do another
I was watching on my phone, so I didn’t miss shit.
No it’s OK, I missed it too, they can do it again so we can see. It’s allowed
Hope they can direct hit the devil himself next
I’ll deliver this reply in Choose Your Own Adventure Format:
If you want to make a reference to Donald Trump being at his birthday parade and thus exposed, vulnerable and in the open and presently not looking up, turn to page 89.
If you rather make a reference to how we should leave the Devil be because the Devil himself is more respectable and honorable than any of these monstrous despots who murder out of spite and wrap themselves in scripture, turn to page 322.
I heard he might be taking a Greek sojourn.
Oh no! Some nazis got hit. Aaaanyway
netanyahu approval rating is up among the israel population i bet
Great news hopefully we see more strikes on the bloodthirsty jizzrael, Iran has the right to defend itself, the fucking rat netanyahoo fled to Greece to avoid retaliation coward zionazi cunt
If he’s in the EU can he not get arrested? I thought there was an EU-wide arrest warrant in his name for war crimes? Or have I just made that up? I never double checked. It was something I’ve just thought existed. Obviously not…
There is, but the EU has just straight up decided they aren’t going to enforce it. Basically admitting that the ICC is just for the West’s enemies.
You mean this warrant from the ICC https://www.icc-cpi.int/defendant/netanyahu
Small bombardement video. Allegedly on Israeli ministry of defence: https://xcancel.com/Haqiqatjou/status/1933592695680680198
Just a spontaneous exothermic reaction, that’s all.
there were hamas tunnels underneath ministry hq
that top image hits hard
So this is what a bitter fate looks like
About time they got a taste of their own medicine.
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Iran is not nearly as bad as Israel. A world where Iran loses and Israel loses would be a dramatic loss for the people of Iran, while if Israel loses and Iran maintains its sovereignty the people of Iran can chart their own destiny, rather than being dominated by the US and terrorized by Israel. All of this not even mentioning the cessation of the genocide of Palestine.
Yeah, when I said that I didn’t really adequately consider what would actually come of Iran being crippled. Civilian rule is not the likely outcome of Iran being defeated.
And Iran isn’t as bad as Israel, I agree, but that’s a pretty low bar.
A low bar it may be, but as you said in the beginning, a toppled Iran would end up like a toppled Iraq - utterly devastated and all of the flaws that existed pre-Iraq War seem like beauty marks after the genocidal US invasion.
People need to chart their own destiny, free from terrorization backed by the US Empire. Without that pressure, social movements in Iran have more room to breathe without fearing rocket-fire from Israel.
The people of Iran would be wise to take this opportunity to actually plot their destiny.
What would that look like? Trying to help Israel destroy Iran, allowing the US and Israel to sweep in and commit genocide against them like the US did with Iraq? The Iranian state is what currently stands between the people and utter devastation, even if that state is flawed, without it the people of Iran have no destiny to speak of. If revolution comes to Iran, it should be on Iranian terms, not on westerners whose regimes benefit from Israeli aggression against Iran.
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Iran is a flawed state, certainly, but if Israel succeeds then they will succeed in killing far more women and queer people than the Iranian state could ever hope to execute, along with cisgender folk, liberals, etc. This is pinkwashing. As a queer person myself, this type of rhetoric is just Imperialist apologia, the path to queer liberation of Iranians would be dramatically pushed backwards if Israel succeeds in destroying Iran.
Further, yes, Iran is necessary to stop the genocide in Palestine at this moment. When Western countries are all condemning Iran and backing Israel, it is the Global South that backs Iran. Gazans are cheering, Yemeni people are watching the bombings of Tel Aviv on the big screen. Israel has been the single greatest obstacle in queer liberation in the Middle East as the fomenter of chaos, genocide, and destabilization.
Why is it that queer liberation happens in some countries, and not others? When does it happen? Social progress is a product of economic development and liberation of the Working Class. Bombing Iran and creating a failed state would result in thousands of deaths of queer Iranians, children, and many more.
Do some self-crit. You’re caping for Israel and advocating for the country doing the most to oppose genocide to collapse.
We saw how it ended up in iraq. How many time you guy get fooled by the west propaganda?
Iranians are smart enough to know the threat number one is israel then the rrgime
They are and they want the religious establishment to revoke the fatwa against nuclear weapons https://www.youtube.com/shorts/QT8-500J7lo
