• @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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    9 hours ago

    Consider that Iran has already taken down - allegedly - as many as four F-35Is, I can think of a few reasons why the US has been reluctant to tangle with either country.

    Trump’s rush to invade Iran only happened after Israel preemptively launched their military decapitation attack and missile bombardment “preemptive” strikes. The US has been dragging its heels on an Iran invasion since the 2002 Millennium Challenge suggested an all out war with Iran would be a disaster for US international fighting capacity. The definition of a pyrrhic victory.

    Already, the US deployment away from the Pacific Rim has resulted in Chinese ships occupying territorial waters that the US had historically patrolled.

    So this is already shaping up to be a historic internationally reorienting military blunder, even without nukes involved. Imagine the US trying to do an Iraq-style land war in Russia, plus an invasion of Iran, plus the low-key war with Yemen and Somalia, plus our military operations in North Africa, plus policing the Pacific, plus doing our military exercises on the US/Mexico border, plus whatever dumb horseshit military parades Trump wants to see.

  • @merc@sh.itjust.works
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    Is reading comprehension really that bad? The argument is that Iran is on the verge of having nuclear weapons. The justification for attacking them is that they need to be stopped before they cross the line.

    I’m not saying I agree with this line of reasoning, but the clear idea is that Iran doesn’t currently have nuclear weapons.

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      9 hours ago

      Is reading comprehension really that bad? The argument is that Iran is on the verge of having nuclear weapons.

      For more than three decades, a familiar refrain has echoed from Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu: Iran is on the verge of developing nuclear weapons.

      Since 1992, when Netanyahu addressed Israel’s Knesset as an MP, he has consistently claimed that Tehran is only years away from acquiring a nuclear bomb. “Within three to five years, we can assume that Iran will become autonomous in its ability to develop and produce a nuclear bomb,” he declared at the time. The prediction was later repeated in his 1995 book, Fighting Terrorism.

      The sense of imminent threat has repeatedly shaped Netanyahu’s engagement with United States officials. In 2002, he appeared before a US congressional committee, advocating for the invasion of Iraq and suggesting that both Iraq and Iran were racing to obtain nuclear weapons. The US-led invasion of Iraq followed soon after, but no weapons of mass destruction were found.

      In 2009, a US State Department cable released by WikiLeaks revealed him telling members of Congress that Iran was just one or two years away from nuclear capability.

      Three years later, at the United Nations General Assembly, Netanyahu famously brandished a cartoon drawing of a bomb to illustrate his claims that Iran was closer than ever to the nuclear threshold. “By next spring, at most by next summer … they will have finished the medium enrichment and move on to the final stage,” he said in 2012.

      Now, more than 30 years after his first warning, Israel has conducted attacks against Iran while Netanyahu maintains that the threat remains urgent. “If not stopped, Iran could produce a nuclear weapon in a very short time,” he argued recently, suggesting the timeline could be months, even weeks.

  • @Zerush@lemmy.ml
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    If USA beginns a War with Iran, also Rusia and China do against the US. The EU in the middle between them

  • @join@lemmy.ml
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    The west showing once again that the only way to be a sovereign nation is to have nukes.
    And the west showing once again that for them international law is nothing more than a tool to wield at their discretion against their geo-strategic rivals.

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      That’s the point everyone making these memes is missing. If they actually had nukes already, none of this would be happening.

      This offensive is supposed to make sure they don’t develop nuclear weapons, whether the reasoning is fabricated or not.

      • @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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        If they actually had nukes already, none of this would be happening.

        Something would be happening.

        Israel seems perfectly happy to unleash wave after wave of terrorist attack and assassination campaign on individuals within the Iranian government. To date, this tier of attack has failed to cause any country to break the nuclear taboo. We didn’t nuke Afghanistan after 9/11 (although a few fringe elements suggested we should). Russia hasn’t used nukes in Ukraine. Despite suffering their own wave of terror attacks, France and England haven’t unleashed nuclear hellfire in North Africa or the Middle East. Indian and Pakistan haven’t traded nukes over their border disputes.

        Would a nuclear-armed Iran drop a nuke over Solemani or the pager bombs against Hezbollah? If nuclear-armed Israel can keep their bombs on the ground, I have to assume Iran wouldn’t be any more extreme.

      • @danc4498@lemmy.world
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        131 day ago

        If only we could create some sort of agreement with Iran where they wouldn’t build nuclear weapons. That would solve the problem without need for violence. Only somebody actively looking to start a war would walk away from a deal like that.

        • @arrow74@lemm.ee
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          It’s a bad agreement to make. If a nuclear nation tries to make a deal with a non-nuclear country to not develop a weapon that country needs to double their nuclear program funding.

          The US doesn’t respect their agreements and Russia clearly hasn’t. At best nuclear nations just want to keep the non-nuclear nation subservient

  • @Cocopanda@lemmy.world
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    51 day ago

    I’m sure Iran has a dirty bomb. They just are not insane enough to use it. They might be angry. But they are not that insane.

  • @RaptorBenn@lemmy.world
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    61 day ago

    Well, no, Ryssia has nuclear weapons, Iran is close to having the ability to produce a nuclear weapon. Ones slightly more immediate.

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        I kind of expect that plan would fail. I expect there are radiation detectors at shipping ports and airports. Also one nuclear weapon just pisses off the hive. It would need to cripple for it to be truly effective.