Lawful? Really?
Hahahahaha Hahaha haha “Lawful”
Nah, don’t forget that DJT is a convicted felon.
I’d put Trump and Musk into ‘chaotic’
Definitely evil though.
Trump is more Chaotic Evil
Facts. D&D defines the chaotic/lawful divide as whether or not the character abides by a code, ethos, or set of rules. So not “Law” in the “Legal Eagle Law Team” kind of way. Chaotic Evil characters don’t really play by any rules, are unpredictable, and are just plain the worst.
It’s why he’s not a billionaire. Zing!
Thiel is so evil he doesn’t even fit this chart.
Fun fact none of them are lawful
In the d&d alignment chart they are because capitalists have no inherent power outside of the laws that enforce their property. Devils in D&D will always break the rules(and rebel) if they think they can get away with it.
They paid congress a lot of money to say that they actually are lawfull
Bill does some genuinely good stuff. I’m sure he does some bad stuff too though.
there’s a book about that, “no such thing as a free gift: the gates foundation and the price of philanthropy”
Now he’s got his he is. In the 80-00 he was as nasty a fucker as all the rest are now.
That doesn’t surprise me.
It’s actually pretty interesting some of the effects his philanthropic efforts have had.
I think the bottom line is that billionaires shouldn’t exist, all said and done.
billionaires shouldn’t exist, all said and done.
Absolutely agreed.
Absolute greed.
Dude was actually best friends with Jeffery Epstein. Like he wanted to hang out with him casually in New York.
Trump is a felon, so I am not sure “lawful” is the best fit.
Musk is definitely not lawful either. Must is pure chaotic evil
Trump isn’t a felon… He’s a multi-felon.
He’s definitely chaotic evil.
He’s neutral evil at best
Lots of devils in the Nine Hells fucked up
Funny to live in times when Villains are in power. Probably in 2060s they will compare them with Hitler.
i feel like it should be more chaotic evil
Ah but they’re the ones that make the laws.
Thats… Thats not how that alignment chart works at all :p. Lawful means they just follow the teachings of something, not that they themselves dictate it.
Chaotic is all for your own personal gainSo, Demon Lords are lawful then?
I mean in their realms I guess so.
That’s not how this works. Making the laws doesn’t make you lawful. Following them even when it’s inconvenient does.
This only counts because they use their money to make their lives “lawful” through legislation and capture of the courts, minimizing their very real crimes against humanity.
Okay perhaps Buffett, Gates, and Cook haven’t gone as far as actual crimes against humanity but the rest have, and Buffett, Gates, and Cook are still unlawful but used their money to twist the laws in their favor.
By definition you can not get this rich without stealing the value of peoples labour - at scale.
Aka evil as shit.
In D&D lawful alignments apply more towards a doctrine the character follows, not necessarily the actual law.
You don’t understand Lawful Evil.
In the Nine Hells, bending and breaking rules to your whim is the norm. It’s whether you get caught, and piss off someone powerful, that matters.
breaking rules means they’re not lawful. that’s why demons are generaly described as chaotic
if you do something unlawful, it means you’re not lawful, it doesn’t matter if you’re caught or not
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Trump is Chaotic Evil.
Nah, he’s neutral evil since he both breaks the law when he wants to and exploits it when he can.
Aa law isn’t inherently good or evil, that axis doesn’t have anything to do with HOW evil he is.
In fact, I’d argue that, in a world where some laws (like “don’t murder” and “don’t enslave your workers”) are good but others (like “you don’t have equal rights if you’re any kind of minority or a woman” or “corporations have all of the rights of people and none of the responsibilities”) are inherently oppressive, the only consistently GOOD alignment is Neutral Good.
evil (but appearing largely lawful)
Lawful?
A throwback to a series of books that (almost) no one talking about the D&D alignment axes (the axes came from the ideas of the books) knows of anymore: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elric_of_Melniboné There are actual gods/forces of law and chaos.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alignment_(Dungeons_%26_Dragons) and similar systems
Trump chances his mind on policies constantly. He’s governing through chaos. So again Lawful?
Yeah, he’s very much NE.
I understand what it is, but I strongly disagree that it applies to these monsters.
