Fight fire with fire. Apparently it’s the only thing conservatives will pay attention to
So many of them are convinced all gun violence is coming from the left, and at this point I’m ready to just let them have their delusions. What are they going to do about it? Implement gun control? Please do
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His last words
He was asked how many shooters were trans in the last 10 years and replied “Too many”
He was corrected, the number is 5.
He was then asked how many shootings happened in these years (there were 5700)
He asked back: “Counting or not counting gang violence?” and got shot
His last word was “violence”.
It’s beautiful
It’s poetic.
And isn’t it poetic?
Don’t you think?It’s like rain on that assholes birthday
It’s a free ride when they’ve already paid
It’s the gun shot that you just took to the neck And who would’ve thought? It figuresIf some historian a hundred years from now or whatever wants to say this moment represented a real turning point, please don’t
A sniper with an innate sense of comedic timing?
Maybe he was waiting for Chuck to say a number. But chuck was too slippery. One last owning of the libs, right before he was triggered. At least you know he died doing that thing where he opens his mouth and just kind of shows his gums with glee
I’m guessing shooting at any other point would produce similar results.
Yeah, nearly every sentence he uttered could have ended with a bang. 💥
He was like a fascist Wile E Coyote.
If violence isn’t working, you’re not using enough violence.
shot; dies
Narrator:
the violence worked.
I always said “You can tell when Charlie Kirk is arguing in bad faith by when his lips are moving and sounds are coming out.”
And it was literally the last thing he ever did.
He died doing what he loved
Hating.
“Gang violence” = racist dog whistle. The assassin couldn’t have picked a more perfect time to fire. 😂
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Okay, second-best time. 😂
I mean, most gang activity comes from young black men, but that does not mean it’s racist to talk about it. I think talking about whether to include or exclude “gang violence” from a conversation about mass shootings is appropriate and not offensive in the slightest.
a dog whistle has nothing to do with the facts but a shared agreement between people in the know as to its hidden meaning.
I understand that. I’m saying that there is no hidden meaning. Gang violence is understood on its face by everyone.
unless you use it as a overgeneral brush, and fill it with only minorities, and use it as a short hand for black people like it’s used in this context. are you a native english speaker?
dog whistles specifically use words with a cover meaning and the group agrees to internally change its meaning.
He didn’t use “gang violence” as short hand for “black violence.” That wouldn’t make sense in the context of mass shootings. He said “Counting or not counting gang violence?” more as a shorthand for “Are we counting criminals killing each other?” Whether it’s hispanic, white, or black gangs isn’t very relevant.
Gangs contribute to the majority of designated “mass shootings,” and are often excluded from conversations that want to focus on innocent victims of mass shooting as opposed to cases of criminals killing each other. After all, if all mass shootings were just gangsters shooting each other, people wouldn’t care nearly as much as they do now. They care about the mass shootings that don’t involve gangs.
EDIT: Seems like many sources explicitly exclude gang violence in their stats. So my statement may be incorrect that gangs contribute to “designated” mass shootings as they are not designation such by many sources.
That’s why you just had to go out of your way to point out that gang activity comes from people of color. Not to mention lecturing to people of color about what YOU don’t find offensive. 😂 Thank you for your contribution, goodbye. 🙂
“That’s racist.”
“It may involve a race, but it’s not racist.”
“That’s why you said it involved that race!”
Bizarre logic.
Offensive was the wrong word. I meant that it’s not racist. It’s unhealthy that one would be offended by acknowledging the existence of gang violence.
I would actually like to know what he was leading to with that question. Is the implication that gangs have an overrepresentation of trans people? Or that gang violence doesn’t count for some reason?
I guess we’ll never know.
It’s a common talking point among the right that there aren’t really that many mass shootings in America if you exclude gang violence. Y’know, which is done by and only effects those people
Pointing out that gangs do a lot of violence is an attempt to shift blame onto the demographic groups which are overrepresented in gangs due to socioeconomic reasons (systemic racism).
Given who he was, probably the latter as a to-him socially acceptable racist dog whistle.
acceptable
I bdt he was pretty piseed he had to dog-whistle it.
Using one minority as a scapegoat for gun violence wasn’t working, so he was switching to a different minority.
It’s a deflection technique. The intention was to not answer or address the question at all, but to shift to another topic he could more easily use to manipulate his audience. If you’ve ever watched him “debate” he was a master of deflection.
he was a master of deflection.
With words, maybe. With lead, evidently not.
Now that you mention it, this seems most likely.
As others mentioned, “gang violence” is generally a euphemism for non white, especially poor, people. I used to listen to Knowledge Fight(stopped after election not because of the boys, but didn’t want to hear Jones gloat) and during several shootings that involved black victims Jones dismissed it as gang violence.
One case I recall was a shooting in a school in GA that he was spinning some other way, until he found out the school was primarily black and the victim (who survived iirc) was black. He then just stated the kid was in a gang with no proof and dismissed the story.
Just some good old racism
It was more anti-trans hate mongering. 2 or 3 trans shooters out of 5700 is nothing. If you can whittle down the number of “mass shootings” to just a handful of incidents, can make it seem like trans people are vastly over-represented among school shooters.
The number of trans shooters versus non-trans shooters probably has trans shooters falling comfortably into a margin of error. I can’t do the math, though, I’m no numbersmith.
Sure. Even if the raw numbers said that say, trans people are 1% of the population, and 1.5% of shooters, that would still be a meaningless figure. The sample size is too low to make any meaningful conclusion.
But the point is even if you don’t apply statistics, even using the sample we have, trans people are vastly under-represented among shooters. We represent about 1% of the population and 0.1% of shooters. You don’t even need to apply statistics. The numbers on their face show that there is zero evidence that trans people are over-represented.
Now, statistically, I would say that there is insufficient evidence to suggest that the rate of trans shooters is any different from the overall population, higher or lower. But there is less than zero evidence that trans people are over-represented.
The trans shooter myth is simply blood libel.
He was obviously arguing that skin colour minorities were doing any shooting that trans Americans weren’t. Because his goal in life was to make people feel like they belonged - by vilifying out groups. And then monetizing that shit.
our gangs of forcefemme communists are very trans and very violent, yes
He was engaging in hate-mongering right until the end. Just like the Nazi propagandists of the WW2 era, he was spreading a message of a demonized minority group being responsible for countless crimes and social ills. He ran literally the exact same playbook against trans people as the Nazis did against Jews.
I have no more sympathy for him than the Nazi propagandists we hanged at Nuremberg. They’re guilty of the exact same crimes against humanity.
Seriously? We’re living in a movie.
It gets dumber…there was a school shooting today, 3 kids dead, 1 state over from this.
Reality displayed an immaculate sense of poetic justice today.
Does anyone have video of this? (This conversation, not the shooty part) All the news media are quoting this while referring to a video but not showing it.
I watched the close up video and didn’t find it traumatic especially given all what has been happening in gaza and Ukraine, not to mention the children being shot in schools
I had the same experience. It’s regrettable how desensitized to violence I am these days.
You’re desensitized to violence. Not something to be proud of or encourage 😟
Do you say the same to those somehow still supporting Israel’s genocide in Gaza when there is vastly more grotesque footage? Or for the slaughtering and rapping in Ukraine with now years of footage? Or those enabling the children being blasted away in schools across the us on a daily basis, including yesterday? 🧐
Yes, as the decensitivation is a necessary element for the continuation of the violence
I saw it unintentionally and it was horrifying. It’s always horrifying to see such a thing, no matter who it is.
Meh, /b/ broke me a long time ago
They’re /very/ intertwined. I don’t recommend looking for it unless you want trauma
Yeah, like less than a second after he says violence is a sudden and absurd amount of gore
A full on tarintino, some would say
Almost like the one asking the questions was in on it. I hope they never find them.
I keep reading people complaining about how people are taking these quotes out of context.
So went to the source, and I see them in context.They are actually worse in context.
I’m laughing at the song choices being posted on the music community.
Golden Earring - Twilight Zone for the lyrics
“Where am I to go now that I’ve gone too far? Soon, you will come to know when the bullet hits the bone”
Utah Saints - Something Good, for the hilarious, to me, coincidence between the song title, the band name and the location of the event
*NSYNC - Bye Bye Bye, need I say more
U2 - Bullet the Blue Sky
You plant a demon seed
You raise a flower of fireFilter - Hey Man, Nice Shot… how could I forget. Still have the CD somewhere, the singer is the brother of the T-1000.
Man, I haven’t thought about Heaven 17 in decades. My favorite lyric of theirs was “brothers, sisters, we don’t need that fascist groove thing”. I remember liking them in the '80s but thinking that their political stance was pretty over the top and that things weren’t really that bad in the world. How wrong I was.
Fun fact: the band took their name from a fictional group that was referenced in A Clockwork Orange.
LOL. Meanwhile Glen Beck is crying his eyes out on TV.
I hate how some are trying to spin this as “he was killed just for having different opinions” like no, he didn’t just have “different opinions” that’s grossly oversimplifying things, he advocated for the genocide in Gaza, said kids being shot in school is “worth it” because “god given rights” (which version of the Bible had assault rifles in it?) ridiculed disabled people in his circles, and said if his 9 year old daughter got raped he wouldn’t allow her to have an abortion
All while in a position of authority and power with influence over a significant portion of people. How anyone can sympathise for him I don’t know
If they’re “just words” then why are they so butthurt over our words? It’s just words when I say “Charlie Kirk deserved what he got”. What’s the big deal???
How anyone can sympathise for him I don’t know
For a white ethnostate run by fuck-you-got-mines, obviously.
Advocating for genocide in Gaza isn’t even a different opinion. It’s the same opinion as democratic party leadership.
This person is correct.
How anyone can sympathise for him I don’t know
At the end of the day he is a human being, that’s why. I’m not trying to defend the guy, but fundamentally that’s what is supposed to divide the progressives/liberals vs the conservatives. The conservatives don’t care except when it’s their own while the progressives and liberals are supposed to care about all people supposedly.
At the end of the day he is a human being, that’s why.
Julius Streicher was also a human being. He was hanged at Nuremberg for the same kind of hate-mongering that Kirk made his whole career doing. Kirk was guilty of crimes against humanity.
Maybe it’s time to start fighting fot our liberties, instead of feeling bad for the guys taking them away.
There’s a long list of people taking our liberties away, and the guy who says stupid shit is pretty far down on that list. Words matter, but they’re not violence.
Why do you think the actual white power, right extremists are getting closer and closer to power everywhere? Why is there is a spike in young men leaning right? Because they listen to assholes like this one. Words are very dangerous in the long run.
No, its because they see asshole like you cheering for the murder of people who say dumb shit. How the fuck can you not see your own extremism when its so fucking blatant??? “People who dont agree with me deserve to die!”. That you lot, thats you lot right fucking now.
Jesus christ.
Nah, it’s the same playbook every time. You have dangerous right wing rhetoric justifying violence (as seen in this thread, even by Kirk himself) that leads to political violence and the right is just “this is deserved” (see J6 or the attack on democratic lawmakers), but when it hits themselves, suddenly political violence is the worst and collective pearl-clutching starts. These people have created a dangerous atmosphere that they can’t control and it’s backfiring, there was never an attempt from them to defuse it.
People like Kevin Roberts who threaten revolutions with thinly veiled violence etc… btw my personal theory is that Kirk was shot by a right wing lunatic who was disappointed in Kirk’s 180 on the Epstein files which went from something like “this is the biggest conspiracy in history, never trust the government” to “I trust my friends in the government” over a weekend. They have created an atmosphere of “you need to fight those in power by any means necessary” and now they find themselves in an awkward spot.
Anyhow, everybody in the thread you replied to just did what Kirk ask them to. Not show empathy, not let the victims emotionally hijack the narrative. He made the world a worse place, I don’t know if it’s gonna be better without him but I have no reason to believe otherwise.
“Everybody in the thread just did what Kirk asked them to…” And you dont see the problem there?
As for the world being a better place… I highly doubt it, since hes now going to be a rallying cry for action against “the left”. Hes a martyr now, a symbol that right wing lunatics while cling to as they march down the streets demanding Trans people are butchered, immigrants, legal and otherwise, are shot in the streets. “We need you, Trump, to do a third term. Its a civil war out here, dont you know?” will be next.
Shooting people is never, ever, your first resort in silencing a voice. Facts and words are. Violence only ever causes more violence. Someone out there today, he never hurt anyone, is going to pay the price for what happened to Kirk. You know its true. You all do. Yet youre all still all over social media happy, and cheering, and back slapping.
In the famous of words of John Wick… “Consequences.”
Well, that was just a necessary cost of preserving the second amendment 🤷♀️
So, youre the same kind of cunt he is? And youre good with that? I dont know, I would have thought seeing how much of a prick he was would put you off being one, but here you are, repeating his talking points like a fucking ghoul…
Yes, words matter.
But the ends don’t justify the means. Morality isn’t outcome-oriented. It’s wrong to kill someone just for their words and ideas.
If the assassin had targeted the people enacting those ideas, that might be different. But assassinations tend to be a net negative. I can’t think of an exception.
No, someone who spread as much hate as he did, doesn’t deserve sympathy.
I hope the bullet is ok.
while the progressives and liberals are supposed to care about all people supposedly.
This is like saying “so much for tolerance” when progressives don’t tolerate intolerance. It’s a social contract: if you are intolerant of others you don’t get the benefit of tolerance extended to you.
If you are unsympathetic towards others then you don’t get the benefit of sympathy.
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Whatever. He was fucking gloating ever since the MAGAts took over, while others are being violently oppressed for “not qualifying” to be “American”.
No he wasn’t a human being, he was a fascist. The two are mutually exclusive. The world is a better place now that he’s not in it and that’s worth celebrating.
People don’t sympathize with their trash when it ends up in landfill.
I dearly regret Charlies tragic passing.
When I initially heard the news I was hoping he was in for a half a century of quadriplegia with destroyed vocal cords.
It’s okay, you can also deeply regret his tragic birth, too.
I had someone try to tell me I was stooping to his level with my dark humor memes.
I told them, I can’t do that because I’m not 6ft under.
Here’s the frustration and why this should not be celebrated:
Charlie Kirk spent years dehumanizing people, making lives measurably worse, and profiting from hatred. The cosmic irony of him being shot while calling trans people dangerous and minimizing gun violence feels like the universe delivering a punchline he wrote himself. There’s a cathartic release in seeing someone who seemed untouchable suddenly silenced by the very violence he dismissed.
But that catharsis is blinding, vile, and destructive. Every celebration post, every “rest in piss” meme, every “fucked around and found out” joke is already being screenshot and weaponized. The worst people imaginable, those eager to exploit violence, are being handed exactly what they want: supposed proof that “they were right,” justification for crackdowns, and, most dangerously, a martyr whose blood sanctifies every awful thing he stood for.
Celebration may feel like a dunk on fascism, but in reality it accelerates it. It may feel like strength, but it exposes a movement so strategically bankrupt that it mistakes emotional satisfaction for political victory. Kirk alive was one influencer among many; Kirk dead is a rallying cry that will outlive us all.
The rage at what he represented is justified. But celebrating his death guarantees those very ideas will flourish. American democracy is dying, and a gravedigger falling into the hole is no victory when it only deepens the grave.
His ideas needed to be defeated. Instead, they’ve been immortalized.
Yep. I’ve already said this like three times on other platforms: it’s ok to be happy about this. He gave you permission. Twice, actually. The “it’s worth sacrificing a person every now and then if it means we get to have guns” and this empathy thing.
This is maybe the only time it’s ok to be happy someone died.
This is maybe the only time it’s ok to be happy someone died.
There was also that one guy who shot himself in an underground bunker in Berlin. Gun violence and suicide are never OK but sometimes they are.
There are many who believe that one guy escaped to Argentina and lived a long life.
Every single time a fascist dies, is a time to celebrate. And yes, I mean absolutely every single fucking time.
I’m sure there’s way more than only two examples, but I’ll be fucked if I’m going to wade through his nonsense to find them.
It’s what he would have wanted.
You could also be happy in Kim Jong Un dies… maybe Putin?
I always wonder where the cut off is, how evil does someone have to be for society to accept their death with gladness?
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I firmly believe that there are people who make the world better by dying.
He had shitty opinions, we know. I won’t follow them. I will have empathy and I will not celebrate his death. Still, I think the world’s population improved with one less hateful person around.
I remember every single time someone they didn’t like died. They would rejoice in the most vile manner imaginable. Fuck them.
I am betting that Kirk’s killer was a fellow conservative who found him too soft and not hard right enough.
Or… maybe it was the same guy who killed Brian Thompson… because Luigi is innocent.
Let’s also not forget how giddy he was when Paul pelosi was nearly killed over his politics.
The world is just a little better today.
Overall it still sucks, but it’s nice to know good things still happen once in a while.
I’m savoring it, as things are bound to get worse. The right produces too many directed nutters.
Yeah we merged onto the highway to hell in November… Things were always going to get worse. It’s nice to have the occasional shining moment though.
This will directly lead to things getting worse. The right will be mobilized by the martyr, is my fear.
Typical lib take.
Things are already getting worse, the right is already mobilised and in control, the military patrols your streets, secret police snatch up people, and innocent people are dying because of clowns like Charlie.
They don’t need a false flag to do what they’re already fucking doing.
Resistance is the only path to freedom.
I suppose you’re right. However, I have no doubts that the administration will use this to hasten their authoritarian processes .
Yeah, it’s definitely going to happen. Which is hilarious, that some hateful douchebag will cause the deaths of thousands in death, but would also have caused the deaths of thousands in life. Anyway, Europe’s still looking nice. Canada’s definitely getting caught in this shit
OK, honestly I’m not going to celebrate a murder. But nothing can stop me from appreciating the heck out of the irony.
