• @Candelestine@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        82 years ago

        Ah, got it. Yeah, theocracies suck. I think undermining them without infuriating them would be a more intelligent strategy though.

        • @Windex007@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          English
          112 years ago

          I mean, if we step back and observe the situation, we can see the best strategy is to threaten violence.

          Why? Because one side wanted to impose their sensibilities on the other, threatened them with violent retribution, and then got what they wanted. It WORKS.

          And now that it is a proven strategy, there is no reason to bother exploring other alternatives. Threatening violence is EASY. It’s the lowest and simplest rhetoric available. Also, there are always nutjobs in the wings who will independently act on violent rhetoric if you just keep pumping it. You don’t even have to plan or direct the actual violence, it’ll just happen organically.

          So yeah, based on the results of this, I think any reasonable person would conclude violence and threats of violence are a simple and effective way to achieve political goals in Denmark.

          • @kaput@jlai.lu
            link
            fedilink
            English
            42 years ago

            There la a Southpark episode coming To this exact conclusion. Violence works. It’s a sad truth

          • @Candelestine@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            22 years ago

            Reasonable, and extremely simple person, maybe. I see what you’re saying though. Similar to the “don’t negotiate with terrorists” thing.

        • diprount_tomato
          link
          fedilink
          English
          92 years ago

          That’s like making a fire that doesn’t burn. And no, it’s closer to fascism than to a theocracy

          • @Candelestine@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            82 years ago

            Theocracy and fascism are not mutually exclusive. Fascism means you’re hyper-patriotic, theocracy means you’re getting your rules from some ancient book. You can be both at the same time.

            And I disagree, I doubt the problem would go away if we just Thanos-blinked Islam from existence. Culture goes a lot deeper than mere religion.

            • diprount_tomato
              link
              fedilink
              English
              4
              edit-2
              2 years ago

              Oh I see the problem, you got the definition of theocracy wrong. A theocracy is a form of government where the head of state is a priest, like Iran. Iran is a theocracy not because it’s Islamist but because its head of state is an ayatollah.

              Islamists don’t have to be priests to rule.

              And when did I bring the “make Islam disappear” up?

              • @Candelestine@lemmy.world
                link
                fedilink
                English
                52 years ago

                I was moving back to my original thesis, which is that offending them doesn’t accomplish much. I don’t perceive Islam itself to be the problem.

                I admit I don’t fully understand what you’re specifically trying to say though.

                • diprount_tomato
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  4
                  edit-2
                  2 years ago

                  Islamism has taken over Muslim countries, islamists feel threatened over anything that might challenge them, something challenges them, they cry about it, Denmark bows to them

                  • Addv4
                    link
                    fedilink
                    12 years ago

                    In the US, a parallel would be evangelicals. For reference, a lot of them are republicans because their values somewhat align (anti-abortion for instance is a pretty big evangelist topic, same with banning talk/rights of lgbtq in public spaces) and they are having more of an effect on politics over the last few years. Also, they rather like book burning as well, excepting the Bible.

          • @Candelestine@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            English
            52 years ago

            I don’t care how they feel, I just care how useful it is to them. They can use some things more than others. Burning their favorite things is something they can use for sure.

            Making all their women want to wear bikinis and their teenagers want to watch movies and play video games is harder for them to make use of. And probably more effective in the long run. Soft power, basically.