Honestly it makes it feel like that’s the most relevant part of the matter and I don’t care for that. It’s wrong because it’s wrong, not because he’s being a hypocrite. That’s secondary and propping up his kids as if that’s what makes it wrong doesn’t seem like the best approach to me.
So is the problem that he’s being racist defending another racist for racist remarks or that he’s a hypocrite? Because one is definitely worse to me than the other.
It’s both, in combination. He’s being racist, and he has kids with an Indian woman. Leaving out that part would be a glaring omission to the story.
It’s very much like the stories of the Republicans who want to make abortion illegal, which is bad enough, but it’s monumentally worse when it turns out they’ve had or paid for abortions.
Yeah I think it’s because it kinda implies he doesn’t see his kids as being welcome to both of their ethnic heritages. And from what I’ve heard from half white friends it’s an awkward thing they often experience. Like I had a friend growing up who everyone was willing to acknowledge that he’s Filipino, but nobody was willing to acknowledge that he was equally hillbilly.
Once again, one is definitely worse than the other. The headline makes it sound like this hinges on his having biracial kids. That’s not the right message
I think you’re the only one taking it as “hinging on.” Most people are taking it as “Person is against X but also chose X” (where X itself is a bad thing). Headline makes it clear he’s both a racist and a hypocrite. Both are important to know.
Your problem is the headline. And you’ve now tried arguing against it many many times. You’ve even said multiple times that “I don’t know why”.
That’s ridiculous. If you’re that shallow I could care less about what you’ve said with other people while you, let my my notes here… ah yes. While you’ve criticized just the headline and nothing from the article, which I’m 100% sure you haven’t even bothered to read.
1 - I did read it, and asserting I didn’t when you have no evidence is shitty. But why let evidence or sources get in the way of an Internet hissy fit?
2 - You seem to care enough to keep responding, but you also strike me as the kind of person who really, really values having the last word. Let’s see what happens!
Personally I’m out and will be blocking you either way. Have a nice life, truly. That is the only non-sarcastic part of this comment.
#1, it’s the The Daily Beast. This is their thing, to do articles with splashy headlines like this. #2, I don’t have a problem at all pointing out the unending hypocrisy.
Exactly. I would have assumed JD Vance had a totally white family and was just a garden variety racist. But now I’ve learned he’s a racist and a hypocrite
You must’ve missed the other day when it was revealed white supremacists were attacking his wife for not being white and he gave the most pathetic defense I’ve ever seen. Right up there with Ted Cruz allowing Trump to slander his wife
I understand what they are doing here pointing out the hypocrisy and all of that, but I don’t know. Something about the title just doesn’t sit right with me. As I said in another comment I just can’t quite articulate it. I’m hoping somebody can come along and put it better than I can.
Again, I think you’re expecting too much from The Daily Beast. This is the type of article they write to get clicks. This article isn’t from the New York Times or the Washington Post, but an internet site that specializes in splashy headlines and blunt articles.
It’s like you’re criticizing a donkey for being a donkey. “I just can’t put my finger on why, but I don’t like that donkey.” Maybe stay away from the donkey farm then.
It popped up in my feed, I didn’t seek out the daily beast. What does it say about a community that posts it if it has low standards, according to you?
I didn’t say they had low standards, I said they have splashy headlines and blunt articles. In my experience their articles are factual, they just don’t beat around the bush, or sugar coat it, or whataboutulism it like the more traditional mainstream media. They’re blunt about it, that’s their identity to get clicks. My suggestion was for you not to read articles from The Daily Beast if you don’t like their style. Or if you do read them, don’t criticize. Criticizing their style is nonsensical, like criticizing a donkey for being a donkey. That donkey may not… how did you put it, sit right with you… but that doesn’t mean there’s anything wrong with the donkey.
It wouldn’t drive traffic as much, but I’d definitely be in favor of the title just saying he endorses Trump’s statements, and then ending the article with the punchline. In bold, of course. To highlight the hypocrite and asshole he is.
Actually, maybe not a hypocrite, since the few things I’ve seen in how he treats his wife he may just be an asshole, even to them. But I don’t have the evidence for that. The treatment, I mean…he’s definitely an asshole.
Yeah there’s something about it being in the title in particular, like it matters because he has biracial kids or as if that plays a factor into why it’s wrong.
It’s like a headline that says “man diddles little boys”. It’s the act of messing with kids that’s gross, not that it’s worse because it was boys.
Or if a teacher drops the n bomb in a class and someone saying “it’s worse because there were black kids in the class”. No, that’s not worse, it’s not less bad in any way.
But the headline I think is showing the hyprocacy and that’s important too.
Ha. Good fucking luck with that. I got here about a year ago and you could expect that people would listen and engage but over the last few months, it’s gotten like reddit was a few years ago. Once the dog pile starts, it just goes.
Putting that in the headline is teetering close to using their race as a cudgel. Not a fan.
It’s pointing out how much of a hypocrite he is.
Honestly it makes it feel like that’s the most relevant part of the matter and I don’t care for that. It’s wrong because it’s wrong, not because he’s being a hypocrite. That’s secondary and propping up his kids as if that’s what makes it wrong doesn’t seem like the best approach to me.
It kind of is the most relevant part of pointing how and why he’s a hypocrite.
So is the problem that he’s being racist defending another racist for racist remarks or that he’s a hypocrite? Because one is definitely worse to me than the other.
It’s both, in combination. He’s being racist, and he has kids with an Indian woman. Leaving out that part would be a glaring omission to the story.
It’s very much like the stories of the Republicans who want to make abortion illegal, which is bad enough, but it’s monumentally worse when it turns out they’ve had or paid for abortions.
Yeah I think it’s because it kinda implies he doesn’t see his kids as being welcome to both of their ethnic heritages. And from what I’ve heard from half white friends it’s an awkward thing they often experience. Like I had a friend growing up who everyone was willing to acknowledge that he’s Filipino, but nobody was willing to acknowledge that he was equally hillbilly.
Once again, one is definitely worse than the other. The headline makes it sound like this hinges on his having biracial kids. That’s not the right message
I think you’re the only one taking it as “hinging on.” Most people are taking it as “Person is against X but also chose X” (where X itself is a bad thing). Headline makes it clear he’s both a racist and a hypocrite. Both are important to know.
If the thought occurred to me then I’m probably not the only person who thought, which means it’s a valid critique of the headline.
So never call these assholes out is what you’re saying.
I’m not sure where you got that from but don’t let that stop you from going after me. Let it out
You’re defending him by telling everyone not to point out how he’s a hypocrite. That’s where I got it from.
Please read the other conversations I’ve had with far more reasonable people capable of engaging in nuance.
Your problem is the headline. And you’ve now tried arguing against it many many times. You’ve even said multiple times that “I don’t know why”.
That’s ridiculous. If you’re that shallow I could care less about what you’ve said with other people while you, let my my notes here… ah yes. While you’ve criticized just the headline and nothing from the article, which I’m 100% sure you haven’t even bothered to read.
1 - I did read it, and asserting I didn’t when you have no evidence is shitty. But why let evidence or sources get in the way of an Internet hissy fit?
2 - You seem to care enough to keep responding, but you also strike me as the kind of person who really, really values having the last word. Let’s see what happens!
Personally I’m out and will be blocking you either way. Have a nice life, truly. That is the only non-sarcastic part of this comment.
#1, it’s the The Daily Beast. This is their thing, to do articles with splashy headlines like this. #2, I don’t have a problem at all pointing out the unending hypocrisy.
Exactly. I would have assumed JD Vance had a totally white family and was just a garden variety racist. But now I’ve learned he’s a racist and a hypocrite
You must’ve missed the other day when it was revealed white supremacists were attacking his wife for not being white and he gave the most pathetic defense I’ve ever seen. Right up there with Ted Cruz allowing Trump to slander his wife
I understand what they are doing here pointing out the hypocrisy and all of that, but I don’t know. Something about the title just doesn’t sit right with me. As I said in another comment I just can’t quite articulate it. I’m hoping somebody can come along and put it better than I can.
Again, I think you’re expecting too much from The Daily Beast. This is the type of article they write to get clicks. This article isn’t from the New York Times or the Washington Post, but an internet site that specializes in splashy headlines and blunt articles.
It’s like you’re criticizing a donkey for being a donkey. “I just can’t put my finger on why, but I don’t like that donkey.” Maybe stay away from the donkey farm then.
It popped up in my feed, I didn’t seek out the daily beast. What does it say about a community that posts it if it has low standards, according to you?
I didn’t say they had low standards, I said they have splashy headlines and blunt articles. In my experience their articles are factual, they just don’t beat around the bush, or sugar coat it, or whataboutulism it like the more traditional mainstream media. They’re blunt about it, that’s their identity to get clicks. My suggestion was for you not to read articles from The Daily Beast if you don’t like their style. Or if you do read them, don’t criticize. Criticizing their style is nonsensical, like criticizing a donkey for being a donkey. That donkey may not… how did you put it, sit right with you… but that doesn’t mean there’s anything wrong with the donkey.
It wouldn’t drive traffic as much, but I’d definitely be in favor of the title just saying he endorses Trump’s statements, and then ending the article with the punchline. In bold, of course. To highlight the hypocrite and asshole he is.
Actually, maybe not a hypocrite, since the few things I’ve seen in how he treats his wife he may just be an asshole, even to them. But I don’t have the evidence for that. The treatment, I mean…he’s definitely an asshole.
Yeah there’s something about it being in the title in particular, like it matters because he has biracial kids or as if that plays a factor into why it’s wrong.
It’s like a headline that says “man diddles little boys”. It’s the act of messing with kids that’s gross, not that it’s worse because it was boys. Or if a teacher drops the n bomb in a class and someone saying “it’s worse because there were black kids in the class”. No, that’s not worse, it’s not less bad in any way.
But the headline I think is showing the hyprocacy and that’s important too.
Yeah that’s a good example. I totally get why people are upset with my first comment but I hope by now they can see the nuance a bit.
Ha. Good fucking luck with that. I got here about a year ago and you could expect that people would listen and engage but over the last few months, it’s gotten like reddit was a few years ago. Once the dog pile starts, it just goes.
Meh it is what it is