https://t.me/c/1899284653/24171
There are new reports that he’s in the hospital. I will undelete this post if his death is confirmed.
Z-war correspondent Poddubny is alive, Kursk regional hospital reported
His hospitalization in the Kursk Regional Hospital was confirmed to the Defense Ministry’s Zvezda TV channel. Soon this information was confirmed by Poddubny’s employer, the VGTRK television and radio company. The Z-war correspondent was wounded as a result of a UAV attack.
The video allegedly shows Poddubny being hospitalized.
OK I’m not going to lie I feel a little mixed about this one. News correspondents - even for outlets that barely qualify as “news” or in any way “journalistic” - are not enemy combatants.
Maybe it will come out that he was armed and participating in the conflict in some way, in which case obviously the lines become blurred and I don’t feel bad anymore. But I don’t see that or much other info here.
He wasn’t wearing UN blue with PRESS patches, instead wearing Russian camo. That’s a big no no. Even non standard RA kit like black body armor is better. But you gotta wear white PRESS patches if you don’t want to be mistaken for a combatant. That being said, all embedded correspondents take the risk. No situation is ideal, but a technical with military markings is absolutely fair game.
I agree no journalist should ever be targeted, regardless of their bias. Knowing Poddubny shouldn’t be targeted is why I know a NYT journalist won’t be targeted. They are in live combat zones though, and sadly people uninvolved do die in war.
Source: work in doc/investigative journalism
Here’s an example of what his kit should look like:
American journalists didn’t wear UN blue in Iraq and Afghanistan…
Uhm, I just spent the last 15 minutes looking through Google image results for war correspondents in Iraq and Afghanistan d, but all I find is people wearing very distinguishable outfits from the servicemen in desert combat fatigues. A lot of the dark blue vests and helmets… even civilian clothes… so I’d like to tell you you are incorrect.
On the photo he looks like a Russian soldier.
Based on what? Wearing body armor? That is incredibly common
A man in a group with Russian soldiers wearing the same cameo outfit and gear as these soldiers is looking like a soldier, even if at the very moment of the drone attack he might not have carried a weapon.
This is a single photo unlikely taken from the incident. We can’t assume that.
Either way, shit happens sadly. Journalists die unintentionally. The point is we shouldn’t celebrate it. Members of the press shouldn’t die covering military conflicts.
A state employed propagandist is no journalist, though.
Typically legit reporters wear no camo and vests that identify them as journalists.
You mean like NPR photographer David Gilkey, who was killed in the field?
Sure looks like camo to me.
None of these people deserved to die.. I don’t give a shit what outlet they represented.
Don’t take your rage out on me. I didn’t say he deserved to die, I simply said what I know from my experience with reporters in Iraq.
Well fun fact: they sometimes wear camo 🤷♂️
He was wearing uniform, so combatant. Also, because of his propaganda many innocent people died. The hit on him is 100% justified.
Look at the picture and his history of working in the field. He cosplayed as Russian soldiers, traveled in military vehicles and made no effort to mark himself or others as press or journalist. There is no reasonable way anyone not familiar with him would have been able to pick him out from other soldiers he was embedded with. Probably the only thing that would mark him as press would be him talking to a camera.
It’s one fucking picture!
Either way this argument misses the point. Press deaths shouldn’t be celebrated.
Participating in state run war propaganda is just as deadly as shooting a rifle.
Pithy one liners are good for PR campaigns but not actual discussion.
That doesn’t make it any less true or relevant.
Yes it does because it’s vacuous and ignores reality.
There are rules governing treatment of the press in war. If you don’t want to respect those fine but I don’t respect that stance. You can tell me you don’t care or argue with me all day, I’m not changing my mind on that. Rules like that are important. How do you think we are hearing what Israel is doing to Palestinians? It’s because those protections are in place. They have to be.
But please keep advocating for a world where we wouldn’t learn about human rights violations or what is actually happening because anyone who dares to report on it will be picked off by soldiers in the field.
And you’re painting the press and black or white which isn’t how reality works.
You can easily have a reporter start directly aiding the war effort through misinformation and recon.
But please, keep living in a make believe world where everyone acts honestly and no one ever abuses their status. Sounds nice.
This is an old thread but as I’ve said to several other people - which if you’d actually read the conversations before chiming in you’d have seen - if they participate in the war effort they are no longer guaranteed protections of the press.
If a medic aims a gun at someone they are a valid target. Same thing. You are correct: I am making this black and white. Which is made possible because there are rules governing what non-combatants can and can’t do before becoming combatants.
Old? Your response was 5 days ago, sorry I don’t live on social media lol.
But sure, come at me for not digging into every response you’ve ever made and just having a direct convo directly with you lol.
You keep trying to paint “participate in the war effort” as black and white, which you admit. Simply inspiring people to join the military by painting a picture of the war front is participation in the war effort, you can’t ignore that. They have more soldiers because of the actions of the press. And since it is black and white, by your logic they lose protection by doing that. Well if thats the case then this was a clean kill. Glad we finally agree.
Dude on forums like this yes that’s practically digging up a skeleton. I’m not getting into this again. Read the thread or kindly fuck off. You are making up standards left and right, I’m tired of responding to fantasy.
Probably wasnt individually targeted himself
That may or may not be the case but there are still people in this thread saying he should be killed for “spreading propaganda.”
It’s the internet. People will spread crazy shit everywhere. Don’t have to go far on lemmy to find an account who thinks north korea is an examplary regime. Take it all with some salt. Thankfully (for now) it isn’t representative of the opinions of most people.