• @Stovetop@lemmy.world
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      “Or else” isn’t bullshit when it comes from the perspective of anyone who actually has something to lose if Trump wins.

      Everyone who is on the fence or doesn’t feel like they need to vote are just speaking from positions of privilege because they don’t personally have as much on the line. I just find it hard to sympathize with that perspective.

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          99 months ago

          I’m just sorry to say, but the situation in Palestine is not up for vote right now. This election will not change that outcome, short of keeping the “finish the job” candidate out of office while maybe the more reasonable of the two can eventually decide to do the right thing.

          If none of the “other stuff” that is actually up for vote matters to people, though, then those people aren’t allies and apparently don’t care if they end up living under a christofascist regime that won’t need elections anymore.

          • sunzu2
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            NEVER AGAIN 🤡

            I guess some people’s issues are more important than [others]

            On the farm all animals are equal! But Palestinian get taken to the shed to make this equality work ;)

            • madjo
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              Which candidate will make life for Palestinians better?

              • sunzu2
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                They are getting genocide either way …

                Weird way to call that “better”

      • @sorval_the_eeter@lemmy.world
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        “Or else” isnt bullshit

        then pressure Kamala to change that one far far right wing policy the progressives cant live with and lets win this thing.

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        Everyone who is on the fence or doesn’t feel like they need to vote are just speaking from positions of privilege because they don’t personally have as much on the line. I just find it hard to sympathize with that perspective.

        I agree with your first sentence, but honestly your second sentence doesn’t matter. No one has the right or ethical high ground to command or threaten another person to vote the way they want, regardless of whether they sympathize with that person’s position.

        Actual Trump voters, many of whom are voting against their own best interests as well as yours and mine, have the right to make their uninformed/hateful/self-harming/selfish (pick one or more as applicable) vote, and so do folks whose vote we disagree with for other reasons.

        We all think our reasons for voting the way we are (including abstaining) are valid, and at the level of the voting booth it seems to me that we have to respect everyone else’s as valid even when we don’t feel they are.

        If we do not do so, I don’t see how that doesn’t lead to either:

        a) commanding another to vote as you desire

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        b) thought policing people

        I find either of those to be unacceptable for any purpose.

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          My perspective is that no one has the right to infringe on the rights of others, and to me any act that facilitates Trump entering the white house creates a greater infringement on human rights than any vote that facilitates Harris.

          These are things that shouldn’t even need to be decided by an election, they should just be codified and not up for vote at all, but here we are.

          • @octopus_ink@lemmy.ml
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            99 months ago

            Persuade all you want.

            Threatening/intimidating/commanding people to vote in a particular way is not OK though. It’s not something where the end justifies the means, and it’s a pandora’s box that should not be opened. OP would be rightly called a threat if a conservative version of it was posted. It’s akin to this, minus the power dynamic.

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      Trump’s track record and intentions for his next term are crystal clear. They are clearly and demonstrably worse than harris’plans or Biden/harris’ previous term.

      That info is widely available. To ignore it now, and claim to need “convincing” is madness at best, or bad faith at worst.

      • knightly the Sneptaur
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        I already wasn’t going to vote for Trump, so threatening me with him doesn’t make me want to vote for Democrats, it makes me want both parties to lose.

    • @RangerJosie@lemmy.world
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      Convincing people to vote isnt a goal. Liberals, specifically US liberals have this compulsion to fingerwag at anyone who doesnt listen to their self important wankery. Irregardless of the repeated lies, policy failures, lies, can kicking, goal post moving, lies, etc.

      Every election is “This is the most important election of our lives” and “Now is not the time” and “When we win we can do [insert obvious thing that desperately needs to happen]”

      People buy the lies, vote for their corporate appointed vanguard candidate. Then realize they were lied to. That “The Right Time” was never going to happen. They get jaded or just check completely out of politics after the Xth election of being lied to. And its always on those people to “Save Democracy” every election. The lies and shit policies are entirely blameless. Its always the fault of those who question.

      I for instance according to liberals am an EVIL Trump voter. Even though I haven’t voted since 2016 and wont vote until dems make universal healthcare happen. That’s my singular demand currently. But its a hard line. A team of wild horses couldn’t drag me to the polls until that happens. Now I will never vote for republicans. They’re evil. Period. They’re a known quantity. They will only ever do the worst possible thing. List of options, they will 100% choose the one that harms the greatest number of people, their own included. I demand the Democrats be better, which makes me a heinous villain of the highest order.

        • @RangerJosie@lemmy.world
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          29 months ago

          Good on you. That tiniest expression of your own individual agency makes all the difference in the world. Ultimately we on an individual are powerless in this system. Utterly so. That you can claw back even that much choice is a wonderful thing.