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Cowbee [he/they] to Memes@lemmy.mlEnglish •
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The Greatest Lie about the Red Scare is that it Ended

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The Greatest Lie about the Red Scare is that it Ended

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  • ∞🏳️‍⚧️Edie [it/its, she/her, fae/faer, love/loves, null/void, des/pair, none/use name]
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    Remember Stalin and his style of socialism?

    No. Cuz I wasn’t alive at that time.

    But yea, I did read about it in This Soviet World, Soviet Democracy, Russian Justice, and Blackshirts and Reds

    • nifty
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      Cool, also read about it on neutral sources

      https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stalinism

      • davel [he/him]
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        8•5 months ago

        Wikipedia, especially English language Wikipedia, ain’t exactly neutral. And anyway “neutral” is fantasy. It doesn’t exist.

        • nifty
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          Anyone can edit it, what’s your problem?

          • davel [he/him]
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            6•5 months ago

            Sure, anyone can edit. It’s just the invisible hand of the marketplace of ideas. and I have a bridge to sell you.

            • The primary editor of Wikipedia is a fascist named Steven Pruitt. Steven currently works for the Dept. of Customs and Border Protection, where he’s been for four years, and the 8 years before that he worked for TSA and ICE.
            • CIA and FBI computers used for Wikipedia edits
            • Facebook, Axios And NBC Paid This Guy To Whitewash Wikipedia Pages
            • Wikipedia’s Intentional Distortion of the History of the Holocaust
            • nifty
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              How does that discount my point? Anyone can edit it.

              • @BrainInABox@lemmy.ml
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                And your edits will be reverted and you will be banned

                • davel [he/him]
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                  That’s if you’re even allowed to edit it in the first place.

      • ∞🏳️‍⚧️Edie [it/its, she/her, fae/faer, love/loves, null/void, des/pair, none/use name]
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        “neutral” as if.

        Edit: also oh no! Not the Stalinist… prohibition on using handcuffs?

        Chapter X, Russian Justice

        But the idea was there in the minds of those who were to define the penal policy and the Code of 1922, and set down the principle that punishment was not for the purpose of revenge and might not have for its purpose the infliction of physical pain. With this beginning there was a steady progress toward the removing of those indignities that tend to degrade a man, until the Correctional Labor Code of 1933 completed the process. In the meantime various amendments have prohibited torture, the use of handcuffs, solitary confinement, deprivation of food, or any other measure that would have the effect of degradation or do physical harm to the person.

        • nifty
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          lol what a cherry picked example, ignoring ranks of his people getting picked up by state agents to be put to death. How disingenuous

          • davel [he/him]
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            7•5 months ago

            Which ranks of his people were put to death?

            Declassified CIA report:

            Even in Stalin’s time there was collective leadership. The Western idea of a dictator within the Communist setup is exaggerated. Misunderstandings on that subject are caused by lack of comprehension of the real nature and organization of the Communist power structure. Stalin, although holding wide powers, was merely the captain of a team and it seems obvious that Khrushchev will be the new captain.

            A lot of the cold war propaganda about Stalin turned out to be bullshit, as contemporary Western academic historians will tell you.

            • nifty
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              Please stop trying to fool people with your revisionist and rose colored glasses historical fiction. Cherry picking some out of context quote is just disingenuous, and doesn’t make sense for me to continue discussing this then.

              https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excess_mortality_in_the_Soviet_Union_under_Joseph_Stalin

              • davel [he/him]
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                Nazis and Kulaks weren’t “ranks” of “Stalin’s people,” they were fascists and leeches on the masses of the peasantry, respectively. And Wikipedia gets its “excess” mortality numbers from garbage sources the like fascist propaganda The Black Book of Communism.

                You can’t help but refer to Wikipedia, can you, when this whole thread was about Wikipedia’s questionable reliability on topics that relate to Western imperialist talking points?

                • nifty
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                  Yeah, “Nazis” and “Kulaks”

                  • davel [he/him]
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                    Either read a book or stop posting wiki articles on a topic you don’t know anything about.

                    • https://discomfiting.medium.com/debunking-communism-killed-more-people-than-naziism-7a9880696f67
                    • https://www.iskrabooks.org/stalin-history-and-critique
              • @BrainInABox@lemmy.ml
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                Now do excess mortality in Tsarist Russia and excess mortality in Russia after the collapse of the USSR.

                Also, fucking hilarious to look at excess mortality in a period where world war 2 happened, lol.

      • @BrainInABox@lemmy.ml
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        Jesus, how fucking illiterate are westerners that they think fucking Wikipedia is a neutral source.

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