• Cowbee [he/they]
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    Hating on a major branch of leftist thought isn’t technically anti-all left, but it’s still left punching. Trying to say Marxism-Leninism isn’t left is just purity testing nonsense.

    I dunno, if you consider yourself a leftist I think you’d be doing a much better service attacking right-wingers, especially now that there’s a huge rise of literal Nazis in Western countries, than attacking branches of leftism you personally disagree with. It’s entirely understandable why people would question your motives if you decide to dedicate a good portion of your personal time to anti-communism.

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        “Tankie” is a caricature. The idea of a tankie is the ideal vision of a McCarthyian Communist. In reality, the overwhelming majority of people labeled as such don’t actually fit that label, it’s more of a way to cast an image of someone’s positions based on, say, support for AES countries, and twist that into the evil Commie Pinko that haunts the dreams of 1960s children in the US.

        Moreover, calling Communists “fascists” makes about as much sense as libertarians complaining about the US government being “Communist.” It’s entirely divorced from reality and rests upon dramatic errors in understanding what fascism is, and how AES states are run. I recommend reading Blackshirts and Reds to understand why fascism and Communism are in no way comparable, as well as Is the Red Flag Flying? The Political Economy of the Soviet Union to see how the Socialist economy functioned in the USSR.

        • @neons@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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          The idea of a tankie is the ideal vision of a McCarthyian Communist

          So you’re saying that tankies aren’t communists?

          Moreover, calling Communists “fascists” makes about as much sense as libertarians complaining about the US government being “Communist.”

          I thought you just said that Tankies aren’t communists? Because the alternative is that communism is when you genocide uyghurs to create Lebensraum for the han chinese. Which is just fascism.

          It’s entirely divorced from reality and rests upon dramatic errors in understanding what fascism is

          I spent years learning about fascism just to be lectured by a fascist charading as a communist on the internet lol

          as Is the Red Flag Flying? The Political Economy of the Soviet Union to

          I just quickly put it through Perplexity and: “For example, he interprets the 1956 Hungarian intervention as a pre-emptive strike against Western powers gaining influence in the Eastern Bloc”

          It is Tankie shit. Imperialism bad, unless the Flag is red, then massacring workers and women is actually good. And from doing the same with the blakshirts book it seems the author has no Idea of how fascism came to rise or willingly lies about it to push his narrative.

          Calling tankies communists is a disservice to the entire ideology of communism. If you want to simp for an authoritarian strongman just be honest with yourself and call yourself a fascist.

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            I said “Tankie” is a caricature, another term might be “strawman.” They don’t exist. It doesn’t matter if these caricatures are Communist or not, the descriptor isn’t an actual position but a term akin to “Pinko.” Trying to seriously gauge someone’s position based on calling them a Pinko, rather than, say, a Marxist-Leninist, is silly.

            Your entire comment reads in bad-faith. The Uyghur people aren’t being executed en-masse or forcibly sterilized, yet you liken re-education camps to literal industrialized mass-murder. There’s a genuine conversation to be had surrounding China’s treatment of Uyghur people that doesn’t require Holocaust trivialization.

            Similarly, you let an AI summarize a book for you in order to avoid engaging with it, and yet Syzmanski is correct. MI6 funded, supplied, and trained the Hungarian counter-revolutionaries. These counter-revolutionaries were allied with fascists who were lynching Jewish people and Communists.

            "The special correspondent of the Yugoslav paper, Politika, (Nov. 13, 1956) describing the events of those days, said that the homes of Communists were marked with a white cross and those of Jews with a black cross, to serve as signs for the extermination squads. “There is no longer any room for doubt,” said the Yugoslav reporter, “it is an example of classic Hungarian fascism and of White Terror. The information,” continued this writer, “coming from the provinces tells how in certain places Communists were having their eyes put out, their ears cut off, and that they were being killed in the most terrible ways.”

            “But the forces of reaction were rapidly consolidating their power and pushing forward on the top levels, while in the streets the blood of scores of massacred Communists, Jews, and progressives was flowing.”

            “Some of the reports reaching Warsaw from Budapest today caused considerable concern. These reports told of massacres of Communists and Jews by what were described as 'Fascist elements’ …” (N.Y. Times, Nov. 1. 1956)

            “The evidence is conclusive that the entry of Soviet troops into Budapest stopped the execution of scores, perhaps thousands of Jews, for by the end of October and early November, anti-Semtic pogroms - hallmark of unbridled fascistic terror - were making their appearance, after an absence of some ten years, within Hungary.”

            "A correspondent of the Israeli newspaper Maariv (Tel Aviv) reported:

            During the uprising a number of former Nazis were released from prison and other former Nazis came to Hungary from Salzburg . . . I met them at the border . . . I saw anti-Semitic posters in Budapest . . . On the walls, street lights, streetcars, you saw inscriptions reading: “Down with Jew Gero!” “Down with Jew Rakosi!” or just simply “down with the Jews!”

            Leading rabbinical circles in New York received a cable early in November from corresponding circles in Vienna that “Jewish blood is being shed by the rebels in Hungary.” Very much later-in February, 1957-the World Jewish Congress reported that “anti-Semitic excesses occurred in more than twenty villages and smaller provincial towns during the October-November revolt.” This occurred, according to this very conservative body, because “fascist and anti-Semitic groups had apparently seized the opportunity, presented by the absence of a central authority, to come to the surface.” Many among the Jewish refugees from Hungary, the report continued, had fled from this anti-Semitic pogrom-like atmosphere (N.Y. Times, Feb. 15, 1957). This confirmed the earlier report made by the British Rabbi, R. Pozner, who, after touring refugee camps, declared that “the majority of Jews who left Hungary did so for fear of the Hungarians and not the Russians.” The Paris Jewish newspaper, Naye Presse, asserted that Jewish refugees in France claimed quite generally that Soviet soldiers had saved their lives."

            Color me surprised, the one calling Communists “fascist” and doing Holocaust trivialization is a defender of Nazis. Read Blackshirts and Reds.

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              I said “Tankie” is a caricature, another term might be “strawman.” They don’t exist

              And literally in the next paragraph he denies the uyghur genocide.

              The Uyghur people aren’t being […] forcibly sterilized

              except they literally are.

              And then he parrots soviet propaganda on why their imperialism was actually not imperialism lol

              Color me surprised, the one calling Communists “fascist” and doing Holocaust trivialization is a defender of Nazis.

              Strawmanning and moving the goalpoast. Tried and True Tankie Method.

              Go wank another one to the poster of Stalin over your bed. A serious discussion is not possible with someone living detached from reality. Have a good one.

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                What do you think a genocide is? You compared re-education camps to the Holocaust, industrialized mass-murder of over 10 million people. Read the UN report on Human Rights Violations in Xinjiang. There’s a lot here that can be discussed without bringing up lies like “forced steralization.” Such claims originate with Christian Nationalist Adrian Zenz, who believes China is the antichrist. His claims of forced sterilization (paid for by BBC, I might add) constitute a misreading of 8% of new IUDs in China going to Uyghurs for 80%. Uyghurs were even exempt from the One Child Policy.

                You have no way of defending the fact that you just called the New York Times “Soviet Propaganda” when it reveals the Nazi-led pograms in Hungary, you just double down and continue to bat for literal Nazis. It isn’t a strawman, you literally defended the MI6 funded and trained Nazi Pograms and lynchings of Jewish People and Communists, it doesn’t get more clear-cut than that.

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      Hexbears accusing others of left punching and purity testing 😂

      This is honestly surreal, you don’t see the irony in what you’re saying?

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          All that hexbear does is attack other leftists and purity test endlessly. You even attack your own admins and developers until they just leave because they’re sick of being abused by other so called “leftists”.

          Solidarity ain’t easy but it would be nice if you at least pretended to try.

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            What Leftists do Hexbear attack? What counts as a “purity test?” If you mean that Hexbear opposes Gonzaloists that support Gonzalo and defend Pol Pot, then I’d say that’s a fantastic example of good attacks against “leftists.”

            I think you’re on a bit of a high horse, as someone who runs the same instance MeanwhileOnGrad is hosted on, and tried to baselessly claim sh.itjust.works is “less bigoted than Hexbear” when you yourself think China and Russia are pushing “gender politics” to radicalize western youths against the US. This is MAGA-tier conspiracy theory nonsense and undermines the real struggles faced by transgender people in order to push your own political agenda.

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              Lol okay.

              China and Russia would never dream of using digital psyops to destabilize western nations. That would be fighting dirty, and they don’t do such things 😂

              This is also how I know that every hexbear user is a 100% real and based authentic transgender leftist and there is no chance that any of them have nefarious intentions. Because no one has ever lied or trolled on the internet before, as we are both aware.

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                You don’t have any evidence of your conspiracy theory, just a distrust of Russia and China, or rather a trust in their anti-US stance. Fair enough. Where you go into transphobic conspiracy theory is when you then completely invent the idea that both of these countries are pushing “gender politics” as a wedge issue. The only purpose this serves, without any proof, is to undermine the experience of gender-nonconforming people. Russia in particular is extremely socially conservative, further adding to why this is akin to Q-Anon nonsense.

                You’re just doubling down on the transphobia at this point by automatically distrusting and attempting to discredit trans users. I recommend you talk to actual trans people and see what they think about suspecting they might be lying about their identities just because you disagree politically.

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                  I know actual trans people you clown. What you’re saying is nonsensical, if I know them IRL then I obviously know they’re actually trans. Why would you suggest that I gaslight my friends, what the hell is wrong with you?

                  On the other hand, if it’s just an anonymous username on hexbear constantly calling everyone else transphobic, even people that are clearly allies and trying to express support, then I’ll remain skeptical.

                  Your comment is textbook circular reasoning 101. They are trans because they claim to be trans and thus its transphobic of me to question that. I’m not automatically distrusting or discrediting anybody based on them being trans or not.

                  The behavior that concerns me is the people who constantly attack everyone else, including trans positive allies, other trans people, and other leftists, and then when they get called out on their hateful and self-destructive behavior, they claim transphobia. And furthermore, even for those who are trans, it’s not transphobic to tell a trans person they’re acting like an asshole and they should do better.

                  You seem extremely confused. Russia and China are both extremely socially conservative. They are pushing the transgender topic in foreign countries while having absolutely zero tolerance for transgender people domestically. Does your brain work at all? You think because they’re socially conservative they wouldn’t consider using transgender ideology as a weapon and wedge topic? That’s literally the exact reason why they are using it, because they don’t actually care about helping trans people so they are free to infiltrate and destroy the movement from within, without caring about the consequences.

                  Imagine saying well the US is very economically capitalist, so they would never consider infiltrating foreign communist political movements and intentionally destabilizing them. Like hello?

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                    That’s pretty clearly not what I was saying. I mean talk to transgender people and ask how they feel about constantly suspecting either transgender people you disagree with politically are lying about being trans, or that Russia and China are trying to manipulate them. This is directly undermining and delegitimizing trans expression online, rule number 1 of being a trans ally is to not undermine people that say they are trans.

                    They are trans because they say they are, yes. It is nobody’s place to judge, this kind of thinking that you can be the arbiter of who is or isn’t trans is transphobic.

                    As for Russia and China, they are in different leagues socially, Russia is far worse while one of the top celebrities in China, Jin Xing, is trans. This would be unheard of in Russia. Moreover, you assert full belief in them “pushing the transgender topic,” despite no evidence whatsoever, beyond “do you think they wouldn’t?” We know the US pushes anticommunism, this is well-documented, and moreover isn’t related to gender identity but blanket opposition.

                    You are accused of not being an ally because, frankly, you do the job of transphobes for them. You play right into MAGA Q-Anon hands.

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                Dang, you know, one of the criticisms of Xi I thought was actually valid was his stance on LGBT issues but if you’re telling me he’s actively promoting queerness to people in the West, that’s based AF, more power to him.

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                  Yep, the implication is that “forcing gender politics” means tricking people into thinking they are queer, rather than recognizing that they are. Again, this undermines queer identity, and yet they claim to be an ally and that queer people should be thanking them for their lip-service.