Attorney, journalist, and Elon Musk biographer Seth Abramson eviscerated both Elon Musk and his “fanboys” who have attempted to use the billionaire’s IQ as an indication of his intellectual prowess in a series of messages shared on X Thursday evening and into Friday.

  • ThrowawayOnLemmy
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    1703 months ago

    Seth Abramson eviscerated both Elon Musk and his “fanboys” who have attempted to use the billionaire’s IQ as an indication of his intellectual prowess

    I guarantee his IQ is made up too. Not that an IQ test actually means shit.

    • The Quuuuuill
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      763 months ago

      IQ tests are combo test of how white and how autistic are you. All tests are biased, and what do you bet when he got his super special smart boy IQ label he was in South Africa and the test administrator was another white dude.

      • ThePowerOfGeek
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        453 months ago

        Wouldn’t surprise me if the person administering the test was also paid under the table by Musk Snr to make sure Elon’s result looked better than it actually was.

        • @anomnom@sh.itjust.works
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          73 months ago

          He was at a private school, it’s just called tuition, and it’s there to make sure powerful people’s kids stay in power. Intelligence has nothing to do with it.

    • @theUwUhugger@lemmy.world
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      3 months ago

      IQ tests are not an objective measurement of intelligence! It kinda measures pattern recognition and some other skill! Its a scam to sell preparatory classes for itself!

      40-50-ish years ago they quite popular! You were required to take one for uni admissions, for appliying to work… Well before we found out its bs!

      • @SatanClaus@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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        93 months ago

        I don’t know if it’s fully BS. It’s just another data point to add for the ahhkkksshhualllyy crowd imo. But pattern recognition I think has high importance in actual intelligence.

      • Lorindól
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        43 months ago

        We had to take a mandatory IQ test at the beginning of military service, my score was in the highest percentile and because of this I ended up in officer training. It wasn’t the Mensa type test, they measured our language, math and pattern recognition skills with a vast battery of questions with a time limit.

        Many friends of mine got average IQ scores in the army test but they are the ones who are really smart and extremely succesful.

        In university I got a chance to take the Mensa type test and got ~140 points. I just laughed it off since at the same time I was struggling to pass my courses, while my friends who got average scores passed them with ease.

        I do not consider myself really “smart” in any way, I just have a very good memory and I’m pretty adept at solving problems. Otherwise I’m just about as average a guy can be.

        • @theUwUhugger@lemmy.world
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          13 months ago

          Uh-huh and everyone stood up to clap buddy?

          You know, its a thing to jerk off to yer fantasies but your fantasy is a high IQ score? Really? Was Ariana Grande not in danger in your dreams or something?

          • Lorindól
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            73 months ago

            No.

            The whole point - which you seem to have missed - was that getting a “good” score in some test can mean very little or nothing in real life.

            It just means that you’re good at that sort of mental exercise.

            • @theUwUhugger@lemmy.world
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              13 months ago

              No that meant that you could afford a 2-3-4 week long preparatory course!or were pursuing one of a few very specific fields of mathematics! And you putting good in quotation marks strongly insinuates that you have no idea what a 140 on an IQ test means, which makes it absolutely impossible for you to have received it since it would have been explained to you! And ppl do tend to remember the equivalent of winning the olimpics, you know?

              But I am sure that you received military training 40-50 years ago! Say, where and when did you receive it under whose preliminary command?

              • Lorindól
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                33 months ago

                I’ve never taken any preparatory courses for anything and I’m not really good with mathematics, so no and no again.

                And why I put the quotation marks around good is a reflection of my native language, we do that when one wishes to express their personal disbelief or doubt. I am well aware that the ~140 score is considered a good one by the designers of the test.

                I served in the late 90’s and there have been several refresher courses but I’m not at the liberty to discuss any specifics of service matters publicly. If you have done military service you know this.

                • @theUwUhugger@lemmy.world
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                  13 months ago

                  IQ tests went out of fashion mid 80-ties and they were only ever required in the very very top universities! There is no military academy in the world where you would have been asked for one!

                  140 is not a good a score! 140 is fucking legendary!!! Which would have been again explained to you if you ever achieved that, which again you would remember since its the equivalent of winning an olympic! But you don’t have a singular fucking clue what a 140 means on an IQ test… How very curious…

                  Ones military service starts at the end of their training, then you will be required to put your oaths down! Your bulshitting couldn’t even be chalked up as a semblance of protecting your anonymity! Graduation lists of military establishments are not public and even if they were there are 70-200-ish cadets in every year!

                  And soldiers can and do talk constantly about their service (ps thats how you can spot valor stealers on the internet, ppl like you :))! They are not allowed to talk of restricted info and missions! If you were a career secret sevice agent, you would not talk about being a soldier on the internet!

                  Another thing that makes absolutely no sense are the refresher courses and is a quite stupid attempt of weaseling out of the question! Most manuals were written in the 60-ties and have yet to be updated! And if you received new equipment you would not be sent back to uni! You would be taken to a field to practice with it!

                  Now tell me! Does your minsicular penis feel larger for lying and pretending to be a big man on the internet?

                  • Lorindól
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                    23 months ago

                    You are quick to leap to wild conclusions.

                    The army test is taken by every conscript at the beginning of the mandatory military service. It is an aptitude/IQ test which had a lot of similiarities with the Mensa type test I took later. You need a high enough score to get into NCO or officer training. The ones who graduate from the officer training may apply to the military academy after their mandatory service is over.

                    And like I clearly wrote in my original comment, the test I took later was a Mensa type test, using similar questions. It was a part of cognitive science or psychology department’s student thesis, not a Mensa test. I majored in educational psychology, so I do have some understanding of what IQ tests are. I got a high score in one and it resulted in absolutely nothing in my life.

                    I have not claimed to be a career officer. I am a reserve officer, I did not wish to apply to the military academy, therefore the refresher courses. And even if my soldier’s oath would not prevent me from discussing service matters with aggressive strangers on the Internet, my common sense would.

                    You are indeed a peculiar one. On my first comment I tried to validate the very point you made of IQ tests being poor indicators of true intelligence by sharing a personal experience (even though I know the fallacy of empiric experiences) on the matter. Yet you vehemently attacked my statement and accuse me of lying.

                    Lastly, your opinion of me is irrelevant, only the truth is relevant. One would gain nothing from lying to strangers. Perhaps practising some restraint on your part would result in more fruitful and pleasant dialogue in the future?

              • Lorindól
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                13 months ago

                Yes! If you know how to look up edit history, please do so! There has been no editing on my part.

                • @theUwUhugger@lemmy.world
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                  13 months ago

                  Pffffffffffffffff 😂

                  You know its so sad that this might even work out for you, after all Trump supporters too refused to read the jan files

                  But you have yet to answer my one question! Does your miniscular penis feel larger for lying on the internet?

                  • Lorindól
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                    13 months ago

                    Are you familiar with the concept of “projection” in psychology?

      • @YarHarSuperstar@lemmy.world
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        43 months ago

        I agree. Its also super biased. I wouldn’t be surprised if it correlated with financial success in certain demographics in certain locations/communities, but like you say, it’s not an objective measure of intelligence.

      • @notsoshaihulud@lemmy.world
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        33 months ago

        Full-scale cognitive batteries (sophisticated IQ tests) are great… for diagnostics. If someone has difficulties identifying the domains where the need extra help, accommodations. I order them all the time and they guide me on how to manage patients. The most telling thing about IQs is that I’ve never seen it in on a resume, not even mensa memberships.

        • @theUwUhugger@lemmy.world
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          23 months ago

          But surely you are aware that companies are trying to sell it off as objectively measurement of int, successfully so since most of the population regards them so? This lil part is my issue!

              • @notsoshaihulud@lemmy.world
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                13 months ago

                The belief that an commercial IQ test is an “objective measure of your intellect” is a pretty good subjective measure of your intellect.

                  • @notsoshaihulud@lemmy.world
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                    13 months ago

                    people fall for unvalidated tests, often even totally fake ones that offer “training” to increase your “IQ”. Generally IQ tests are a very good measure of how well people take standardized tests. The problem is, scoring high on those tests might correlate with one’s capabilities, but it doesn’t mean real-world competence. In medicine for example, it’s not the people with the highest scores tend to be the best doctors, but the ones who follow up on issues, and that habit compounds. etc.

      • @ayyy@sh.itjust.works
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        13 months ago

        So, you know how there’s a button on the top-left of your keyboard for ending sentences? Believe it or not, there’s also one on the bottom right as well! It looks like this: .

        • @theUwUhugger@lemmy.world
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          23 months ago

          Perchance you should demonstrate it in your own sentences?

          like this .

          If you meant the dot(?) as a demonstrative then you yourself have not ended your sentence! If you meant the empty before the dot(?) as the demonstrative then you make no sense!

    • @Seleni@lemmy.world
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      43 months ago

      What you want to bet he had someone else take the test for him lol? Judging by how he plays games and all, it seems to be his m.o….

    • @Ledericas@lemm.ee
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      3 months ago

      he abandonded his schooling once he got his visa, and did some shady sht to get his BROTHER one too. hes more or less just a richer version of trump, just slightly"smarter".