Leftists can pat themselves on the back for knowing this all they want… but the truth of the matter is that even leftists themselves have largely fallen for the propagandistic myth that liberalism is (somehow) “less” right-wing than it’s fascist co-conspirators.
Just the introductory Wikipedia page on liberalism makes it perfectly clear that liberalism fetishises the very “ideals” that all but ensure the power and privilege of the already-wealthy at the expense of everyone and everything else (you know… the power and privilege that fascism exists to protect through the use of unbridled state violence) - yet I do not see leftists coming up with any bright ideas to fight liberalism in the same way that leftists oppose fascism.
Uhh, which leftists have you been talking to? Are you sure they weren’t psyops?
Since the majority of the population is liberal in the US. To effectively fight fascism is to work with liberals against fascism. We don’t have to agree with liberals. Once we have some room to breathe we can then start picking fights with liberals again.
To effectively fight fascism is to work with liberals against fascism.
You CAN’T fight fascism in alliance with the very people who literally invented fascist institutions (such as the police, for instance) to protect the status quo from the people at the bottom of our society.
There you go. That’s how you win. You build the smallest tent possible. Honestly, you could do better. If you can just find a way to alienate everyone, surely the fascist will lose.
It’s hard to alienate everyone, but I believe in you. I think you got the sauce.
the truth of the matter is that even leftists themselves have largely fallen for the propagandistic myth that liberalism is (somehow) “less” right-wing than it’s fascist co-conspirators.
I believe the line is “fascism is imperialism returning to the core”. But if you’re living in the core, there’s obviously a huge difference.
liberalism fetishises the very “ideals” that all but ensure the power and privilege of the already-wealthy at the expense of everyone and everything else
When aristocrats run your schools, you’re going to get an academic view that’s very friendly to their place in the world.
But that isn’t strictly an issue of liberalism, it’s the corrosive consequences of philanthropy. Powerful and privileged people fetishize themselves. The rest of us are left to rationalize what we see and hear from a privatized media.
I believe the line is “fascism is imperialism returning to the core”.
I prefer mine - fascism is just colonialism coming home to roost.
But if you’re living in the core, there’s obviously a huge difference.
I don’t really understand what you mean by this.
But that isn’t strictly an issue of liberalism, it’s the corrosive consequences of philanthropy.
I’d say that it is… so-called “philanthropy” is a perfectly liberal way of “humanising” the intended beneficiaries of liberal ideology - ie, capitalists. It’s no different than the aristocracy “humanising” themselves by tossing alms to the peasantry.
I mean there’s a very big difference between living in the comfort of the core under a liberal regime and living during a reactionary pogrom.
I’d say that it is… so-called “philanthropy” is a perfectly liberal way of “humanising” the intended beneficiaries of liberal ideology - ie, capitalists. It’s no different than the aristocracy “humanising” themselves by tossing alms to the peasantry.
Sure. The only real difference is technology and scale. But the scale matters a lot, because its easy to see a straight line between a lord’s lackey distributing alms. It is significantly more difficult for someone to understand why AEI shills and Ford Foundation hacks keep showing up on NPR to parrot right-wing economic talking points couched in progressive verbage. It is more difficult to understand the scale of Walton Family wealth or the degree to which cryptocurrency speculation has been used to hijack Congressional campaigns.
Larger and more complex systems are more difficult to resist, in no small part because they become difficult to recognize as a material problem rather than just a foundation of daily life.
Yes, thousands of years is a big overexaggeration.
But I don’t understand why you would say, that you don’t see leftists come up with ideas to fight liberalism. People who call themselves left and people who call themselves liberal have been fighting long before the fascist party was founded.
Leftists can pat themselves on the back for knowing this all they want… but the truth of the matter is that even leftists themselves have largely fallen for the propagandistic myth that liberalism is (somehow) “less” right-wing than it’s fascist co-conspirators.
Just the introductory Wikipedia page on liberalism makes it perfectly clear that liberalism fetishises the very “ideals” that all but ensure the power and privilege of the already-wealthy at the expense of everyone and everything else (you know… the power and privilege that fascism exists to protect through the use of unbridled state violence) - yet I do not see leftists coming up with any bright ideas to fight liberalism in the same way that leftists oppose fascism.
Liberals are fascist apologists.
The do a LOT more than just apologise for fascists, I’m afraid.
Uhh, which leftists have you been talking to? Are you sure they weren’t psyops?
Since the majority of the population is liberal in the US. To effectively fight fascism is to work with liberals against fascism. We don’t have to agree with liberals. Once we have some room to breathe we can then start picking fights with liberals again.
You CAN’T fight fascism in alliance with the very people who literally invented fascist institutions (such as the police, for instance) to protect the status quo from the people at the bottom of our society.
The fascists ARE their allies.
Well then, let me know when you’re going to start the revolution with 5% of the population. I’ll be rooting for you. Good luck!
No. You won’t. You’ll be too busy licking fascist boot.
There you go. That’s how you win. You build the smallest tent possible. Honestly, you could do better. If you can just find a way to alienate everyone, surely the fascist will lose.
It’s hard to alienate everyone, but I believe in you. I think you got the sauce.
I also believe in you - you CAN get that entire boot into your mouth if you try hard enough.
I believe the line is “fascism is imperialism returning to the core”. But if you’re living in the core, there’s obviously a huge difference.
When aristocrats run your schools, you’re going to get an academic view that’s very friendly to their place in the world.
But that isn’t strictly an issue of liberalism, it’s the corrosive consequences of philanthropy. Powerful and privileged people fetishize themselves. The rest of us are left to rationalize what we see and hear from a privatized media.
I prefer mine - fascism is just colonialism coming home to roost.
I don’t really understand what you mean by this.
I’d say that it is… so-called “philanthropy” is a perfectly liberal way of “humanising” the intended beneficiaries of liberal ideology - ie, capitalists. It’s no different than the aristocracy “humanising” themselves by tossing alms to the peasantry.
I mean there’s a very big difference between living in the comfort of the core under a liberal regime and living during a reactionary pogrom.
Sure. The only real difference is technology and scale. But the scale matters a lot, because its easy to see a straight line between a lord’s lackey distributing alms. It is significantly more difficult for someone to understand why AEI shills and Ford Foundation hacks keep showing up on NPR to parrot right-wing economic talking points couched in progressive verbage. It is more difficult to understand the scale of Walton Family wealth or the degree to which cryptocurrency speculation has been used to hijack Congressional campaigns.
Larger and more complex systems are more difficult to resist, in no small part because they become difficult to recognize as a material problem rather than just a foundation of daily life.
Leftists come up with bright ideas to fight capitalist liberals since thousands of years.
Liberalism hasn’t existed for a thousand years, smoothbrain.
Yes, thousands of years is a big overexaggeration. But I don’t understand why you would say, that you don’t see leftists come up with ideas to fight liberalism. People who call themselves left and people who call themselves liberal have been fighting long before the fascist party was founded.
Where are these ideas?
Where do you see this?
You have read communist or anarchistic theory right?
So you have nothing to show?
What do you mean, nothing to show? Just read any theory and you see the ideas people came up with.
Sooo… still nothing?