In exchange for the resettling of Palestinians, the administration would potentially release to Libya billions of dollars of funds that the U.S. froze more than a decade ago, those three people said.

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    This is false. The Nazis originally planned to deport the Jews. They changed to extermination once their deportation plans stopped being practical. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madagascar_Plan#Plan_abandoned

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    Once planning for Operation Barbarossa commenced, Hitler asked Himmler to draft a new plan for the elimination of the Jews of Europe, and Himmler passed along the task to Heydrich. His draft proposed the deportation of the Jews to the Soviet Union via Poland.[36] The later Generalplan Ost (General Plan for the East), prepared by Professor Konrad Meyer and others, called for deporting the entire population of occupied Eastern Europe and the Soviet Union to Siberia, either for use as slave labour or to be murdered after the Soviet defeat. The plan hinged on the rapid defeat of the Soviet forces.[37] Once it became apparent that the war against the Soviet Union would drag on much longer than expected, Heydrich revised his plans to concentrate on the Jewish population then under Nazi control. Since transporting masses of people into a combat zone would be impossible, Heydrich decided that the Jews would be killed in extermination camps set up in occupied areas of Poland.[38] The total number of Jews murdered during the resulting Holocaust is estimated at 5.5 to 6 million people.[39]

    In other words, by focusing on the end point of the Holocaust and ignoring its starting point YOU are normalizing nazi-like plans that have every potential to escalate.

    • @REDACTED@infosec.pub
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      …dude, I literally talked about what happened, not what was theoretized. Do you have any idea how brutally evil things have US or other countries theoretized? Thinking and doing are two very, VERY different things. Didn’t know this needs explaining.

      • acargitz
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        I responded to what you actually wrote:

        Nazis wanted to kill them all, not move them further away. […]

        You described intent, i.e., “thinking”.

        🙄

        PS. Genocide is not a single event in time, it’s a process. An easy way to educate yourself on the matter is by searching YouTube for interviews of Omer Bartov, world renowned Israeli scholar on Genocide and the Holocaust, prof at Brown.

        • @REDACTED@infosec.pub
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          I mean, they were doing it and would have finished doing it if it wasn’t for a world war, so definitely not just thinking

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            This is also false. The mass killings started in the middle of 1941 after the invasion of the Soviet Union. The systematic policy of extermination was decided in January 1942 in the Wannsee Conference.

            There was quite a lot of thinking before doing. And there was quite a lot of doing smaller steps before doing bigger steps. Just like there was quite a lot of thinking smaller steps before thinking bigger steps.

            Give it a rest buddy, you don’t know what you’re talking about.

            • @REDACTED@infosec.pub
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              Says I’m false

              Proceeds to tell me I’m true.

              Look buddy who knows it all, when Israel actually decides to kill those million Palestinians instead of moving them, get back to me abd I’ll apologize for my ignorant statements, but as of things stand now, I cannot take you seriously when you push for extreme comparisons while nit-picking how it all started.

              Your argument somewhat reminded me of the “weed is a getaway drug to stronger drugs” argument. No, that’s not always the case.

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                You’re not engaging with what I’m actually saying, so this is the last you hear from me.

                You said: “Nazis wanted to kill them all, not move them further away.” I pointed out that’s historically inaccurate. They started by trying to move them. They ended by killing them. That evolution of intent matters. Genocide isn’t a light switch, it’s a dimmer. And it always starts with the “just move them away” stage.

                This isn’t about scoring points. It’s about understanding how atrocities actually unfold.

                You keep insisting I’m making “extreme” comparisons. But all I’ve done is point to a well-documented historical pattern: the Nazis didn’t begin with gas chambers. They started with deportation plans, ghettos, and forced removals. That’s not hyperbole: it’s basic historiography.

                You’re also still conflating intent with outcome. You said the Nazis “wanted to kill them all,” as if that was the plan from the outset. It wasn’t. The policy evolved over time. That’s the entire point — and it’s exactly why early-stage actions do matter.

                When people defend or downplay proposals to forcibly remove an entire population (not in the chaos of war, but as formal policy) the comparison isn’t extreme. It’s cautionary.

                You can roll your eyes if you want. But history doesn’t start at Wannsee. And it doesn’t repeat itself with a neon sign saying “genocide incoming.” It creeps.

                And that “weed is a gateway drug” analogy? It’s off. A better one would be: “Heroin addiction doesn’t start with heroin — it starts with normalized misuse of something seemingly minor.” That’s the progression I’m talking about.

                Anyway. I’ve said my piece. History’s just not on your side here, buddy.

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                  You said: “Nazis wanted to kill them all, not move them further away.” I pointed out that’s historically inaccurate

                  Historically inaccurate in early years when barely anyone paid attention to nazi germany.

                  Historically accurate in relevant years.

                  You keep insisting I’m making “extreme” comparisons. But all I’ve done is point to a well-documented historical pattern: the Nazis didn’t begin with gas chambers. They started with deportation plans, ghettos, and forced removals. That’s not hyperbole: it’s basic historiography.

                  But do you not see how this argument is flawed? Evolution is not a one way street. It takes different routes. Just because something starts with x does not 100% mean it will always end with y, especially in vastly different timeline where I highly doubt this can happen with masses in a country that got all eyes on them. They’d be done and they know it.

                  Your historical documentations about what happened in country X is NOT a prophecy about country Y. Politics is not a mathematics that follows a formula.

                  Also, please stop using ChatGPT to refine your answers.

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                    I am not making prophecies. I am not predicting the future. I am specifically writing:

                    When people defend or downplay proposals to forcibly remove an entire population […] the comparison isn’t extreme. It’s cautionary.

                    Do you understand what that phrase means? Do you understand what the word “cautionary” means?