• @joel_feila@lemmy.world
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    2912 days ago

    This is why i call it separating the artisr from the finance, the art is just unavoidable collateral damage.

    Perfect example. Hp Lovecraft is dead he gains no money, rallies no crowd, calls no lawmaker. JkR does still, she does gain money and spends it trying to make the world worse for people.

    • @Kickforce@lemmy.wtf
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      1011 days ago

      Yeah and Lovecraft came to see his racism was wrong before the end of his short life. Rowling so far has only clamped down harder on her detrimental bullshit.

      • Bizzle
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        511 days ago

        Is that true? I’m an HP Lovecraft head and had never heard that

        • @Thomrade@lemm.ee
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          911 days ago

          In his later letters to, and I could be wrong about the recipient, Robert E Howard he lamented that he wasted so much time being afraid of other cultures, and recognised his xenophobia as ignorance.

          • @CitizenKong@lemmy.world
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            210 days ago

            Yeah, and you can see it in his fiction as well. While in earlier stories characters literally kill themselves or go insane because they are not racially pure, the narrator in “Shadow over Innsmouth” looks forward to his final transformation into a fish person:

            I shall plan my cousin’s escape from that Canton madhouse, and together we shall go to marvel-shadowed Innsmouth. We shall swim out to that brooding reef in the sea and dive down through black abysses to Cyclopean and many-columned Y’ha-nthlei, and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory for ever.

    • @OhNoMoreLemmy@lemmy.ml
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      111 days ago

      Lovecraft is problematic for other reasons.

      The problem is that what makes his work good is this pathological fear of the other, that he interlinks with xenophobia and notions of racial purity in his fiction.

      You can’t love the art and hate the author with Lovecraft, you have to accept they’re both pretty fucked up.

      • @joel_feila@lemmy.world
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        111 days ago

        All true. They are not the same Hp was about as xenophobic as you can get.

        But ido disagree with that last part. I can read and love his stories but never learn anything about him. I can’t unlearn about him.

        • @Timecircleline@sh.itjust.works
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          211 days ago

          Have you read Herbert West: Reanimator? I think that one in particular had an especially problematic description of a black man. I had to put down the anthology for a bit when I got there.

        • @OhNoMoreLemmy@lemmy.ml
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          111 days ago

          Several of his stories are outright racist though.

          How do you go about loving that without acknowledging there are issues?

          • @joel_feila@lemmy.world
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            111 days ago

            Same reason i can love a villain as a character. Just because i love a of work of fiction or fictional characters does not mean i endorse the mesaage.