https://ourworldindata.org/data-insights/almost-all-livestock-in-the-united-states-is-factory-farmed
Estimates are still quite high globally too. Around 94% of all globally farmed animals are factory farmed. 74% of all farmed land animals are factory farmed and virtually all farmed fish
Not the person you are replying to, but that’s not what the point of the name the trait question is about. It is not about distinguishing between species
Why are humans morally considered is not asking why humans are human. Asking why one doesn’t morally consider chickens is not asking why chickens are chickens
It is about distinguishing between what matters to ethics. It’s not a trait that makes them chickens vs humans. It’s about a trait or set of traits that makes someone morally considered
Declaring that humans and chickens are distinct is not sufficient to say to they deserve radically different ethical consideration. Otherwise you are just saying that difference itself = justifying different ethical consideration, which is highly flawed. You could for instance, use that to say any group of humans are distinct in some way and thus deserve different moral consideration. Be it by gender, skin tone, etc.
it is. ethics are a social construct developed by humans to help them understand correct action in human society. chickens are only relevant to the extent that it impacts how people relate to one another
This is rather circular reasoning. You are saying humans only matter because some humans say only humans matter
If we can just declare ethics excludes any group inherently because I said so, then that can lead to pretty bad conclusions
not any group. nonhumans.
comparing women to animals is what misogynists do. comparing other races to animals is what racists do. lets be better than them.
That is missing what I am saying entirely. Argue with the logic, please, instead of a false interpenetration. The exact categories are not relevant to what I am saying at all. What matters is that the reasoning could be used to justify difference between categorization of humans that you think shouldn’t be morally relvent
Those are examples of the conclusion the flawed logic (difference = inherently justifying different treatment) could be used to justify. So I am saying we should reject the premise because of what the same logic can justify
people should be treated differently than animals. doing so is necessary for right action. how we treat animals should have no bearing on how we treat each other.
This is all circling around and missing the point I am making. The problem I am point out is about the logical reasoning. If logical reasoning is flawed when applied to something else, then it should not be used
This conversation is going in circle, so just going to end this here
it’s illogical to try to fly a plane like you are driving a car. different things are different and it is correct to treat them so.