Your ring up a person, they go “why the fuck are you calling me at 09:45?”, sounding really upset. You don’t understand why. He’s in a place where that means it’s the middle of the night and as a local he understands it.
Oooor
He could just say “do you know what time it is here? It’s two am!” and you’d understand.
No, in this hypothetical scenario, he wouldn’t complain about it being 0945 because he’s grown up in a world where that’s ambiguous. He’s going to say, “Don’t you know it’s the middle of the night here?!”
Are you suggesting that this is a world without the internet or international television programs? He’s going to know that hours are different everywhere, especially if he has friends in other regions.
That why this “make everyones time the same” is about as smart as an idea as shoving Lego up your nose.
Only because the current way is the one you know. In this alternate universe where the whole world has always been on UTC and someone posted a question on Lemmy asking why the whole planet isn’t divided up into 1-hour offsets with their own times, that universe’s version of you would be just as irrationally angry with that universe’s version of me for daring to suggest that the time zone idea is no less irrational than the UTC idea.
I can’t believe you’re being serious. Literally, I have a hard time believing you aren’t pretending to be that simple.
Only because the current way is the one you know. In this alternate universe where the whole world has always been on UTC
You don’t understand time zones or geopolitical history either it seems, and you’re imaging people from thousands of years ago to have a concept of universality. I can’t thank you enough for the roaring belly laughs I’ve gotten from reading your brain farts.
You’re not proposing a single improvement, you’re making the system actively much much much shittier
planet isn’t divided up into 1-hour offsets with their own times, that universe’s version
Except it is, because that’s how hours work. You probably don’t know where they come from either
I know it seems to you like you’re making sense, but you’re not, because you’re ignorant of so many assumptions you’ve made, which if changed, would be like giving ancient Romans the GPS instead of them using sundials and that said Romans would’ve magically been able to consider that theyre noon is two hours after “the real” noon, which is based on…?
You’re assuming an awful lot about me based on complete ignorance and using those assumptions to justify a really bizarre level of abuse.
You don’t understand time zones or geopolitical history either it seems, and you’re imaging people from thousands of years ago to have a concept of universality.
I’m not. That’s literally the premise of the idea proposed here. The fact that you don’t get that is really making me question your reading comprehension abilities.
You’re not proposing a single improvement,
Correct. I’m not. As I’ve noted several times now, I’m not proposing anything. I’m just pointing out that we have a significant bias toward the system we already know.
Except it is, because that’s how hours work. You probably don’t know where they come from either
Yeah, they were chosen more or less arbitrarily by the ancient Egyptians because there were twelve significant constellations they followed, which led to a sort of base-12 number system they used for stuff related to the sky (months and hours in particular).
Again, units and numbers have no inherent meaning. We made it all up. A day could just as easily have had ten hours of 144 minutes each, or 40 hours of 36 minutes each.
I know it seems to you like you’re making sense, but you’re not…
The fact that you don’t understand what I’m saying doesn’t mean that I’m not making sense. And I think there’s ample evidence here that you’re just not reading carefully.
…because you’re ignorant of so many assumptions you’ve made, which if changed, would be like giving ancient Romans the GPS instead of them using sundials and that said Romans would’ve magically been able to consider that theyre noon is two hours after “the real” noon, which is based on…?
Ok. Deciphering your word salad here, I think you’re trying to suggest that our current 24-hour day and time zones were somehow inevitable? Which…I mean, obviously they aren’t, since there are many cultures that independently came up with different time systems.
There’s a Hindi clock that divides the day into thirty hours. Roman timekeeping was divided into 12 hours, but that time was measured from sunrise to sunset. Byzantine time uses the same division of days into 24 hours, but starts a day at sunset, meaning that the start of a day changes within the same city throughout the year. France even tried decimal time for a while, where each day has ten hours, each hour has 100 minutes, and each minute has 100 seconds. All of these systems arose from different starting conditions, none of which were “giving Romans GPS” (they already knew the Earth was round) and none of which caused any problems with users going to sleep at different times of day.
The thought experiment here isn’t “how could this have happened given existing conditions?” or even “what conditions could have brought this about?” but rather “assuming a world where some set of conditions brought about a true worldwide UTC without offsets, what would it look like to the users of that system?”
And this is what you’ve decided merits abusive behavior. Can’t imagine what you’re like about stuff that actually matters.
assuming an awful lot about me based on complete ignorance and
Oh another one of “me saying things doesn’t mean anything, you can’t deduce I meant something just because I said it!”
I’m not.
Youare.
have a significant bias toward the system we already know.
No, you’re pretending to be a pseudointellectuel while missing the actual issues shoved down your face, because you lack understanding and your ego is 3 sizes too big for your skills
Yeah, they were chosen more or less arbitrarily by the ancient Egyptians because there were twelve significant constellations they followed, which led to a sort of base-12 number system they used for stuff related to the sky (months and hours in particular).
Exactly like I said. A pretentious pseudointellectuel and I’m not gonna teach you history. Do some desperate googling and then become ashamed
Again, units and numbers have no inherent meaning
Again, they literally have INHERENT meaning.
Send me your address I’ll order you a dictionary
And I think there’s ample evidence here that you’re just not reading carefully
“But but you’re laughing at my rhetoric so you can’t have read it”
Zzzz
24-hour day and time zones were somehow inevitable
By what fucking logic? You talk to me of reading comprehension :D
You don’t understand the fundamental flaw in the system, but like I said, I’m not gonna be lecturing you, I’d rather watch you make a moron of yourself and maybe, maybe point out later what I’m talking about.
There’s a Hindi clock that divides the day into thirty hours. Roman timekeeping was divided into 12 hours, but that time was measured from sunrise to sunset. Byzantine time uses the same division of days into 24 hours, but starts a day at sunset, meaning that the start of a day changes within the same city throughout the year. France even tried decimal time for a while, where each day has ten hours, each hour has 100 minutes, and each minute has 100 seconds. All of these systems arose from different starting conditions, none of which were “giving Romans GPS” (they already knew the Earth was round) and none of which caused any problems with users going to sleep at different times of day.
You talk to me of word salad while you’re some pseudointellectual 14-year old twerp repeating these sad sixth grade history facts as some unbelievably arcane knowledge while not understanding the fundamental flaw in the whole system.
Oh another one of “me saying things doesn’t mean anything, you can’t deduce I meant something just because I said it!”
No, it’s “you can’t just unilaterally decide that I actually mean the opposite of what I’m saying.”
I’m not.
Youare.
Oh, for real? Well, if you’ve already decided what I mean, then by all means, don’t let me distract you with reality.
you’re pretending to be a pseudointellectuel
No, I’m definitely a pseudointellectual.
while missing the actual issues shoved down your face, because you lack understanding and your ego is 3 sizes too big for your skills
I have yet to see you actually respond to the points I’ve actually made, only points you think I’ve made, so I’m not sure how you have enough data to determine that I “lack understanding.”
Exactly like I said. A pretentious pseudointellectuel and I’m not gonna teach you history. Do some desperate googling and then become ashamed
I don’t know what to tell you, bro. We have twelve hours because the ancient Egyptians liked the stars. That’s just reality. I’d love to hear why you think it is, though.
Again, units and numbers have no inherent meaning
Again, they literally have INHERENT meaning.
Send me your address I’ll order you a dictionary
Before you send it, I recommend you look up the word “context.”
You don’t understand the fundamental flaw in the system, but like I said, I’m not gonna be lecturing you, I’d rather watch you make a moron of yourself and maybe, maybe point out later what I’m talking about.
So, again, no actual argument, you’re just hoping to keep this going for long enough to come up with one.
You talk to me of word salad while you’re some pseudointellectual 14-year old twerp repeating these sad sixth grade history facts as some unbelievably arcane knowledge while not understanding the fundamental flaw in the whole system.
I didn’t think there’s anything arcane about something that can be easily found in a history book. But thanks for assuming I’m 14, that’s very kind of you. I haven’t been assumed to be that young in a long, long time.
You know, just because your short term memory is only ten seconds long, there’s no need to rewrite the whole conversation everytime.
Or did you never develop object permanence and you literally can’t answer a thing if it’s not under your eyes, because you’ll forget it exists?
No, it’s “you can’t just unilaterally decide that I actually mean the opposite of what I’m saying.”
When you’re saying hot is cold and up is down, I haven’t decided that your words mean the opposite. You’re just wrong.
Noon, midday or the number of hours is anything but arbitrary. You being ignorant of the reason doesn’t make you right, it makes you ignorant. Notice anything about the divisibility of the numbers? No…? Oh right, you’re probably American, so that’s probably offensive to ask you about your maths skills. Apologies, I do understand your country is going through a tough time.
I don’t decide the meaning of your words. The world sort of does.
I don’t know what to tell you, bro. We have twelve hours because the ancient Egyptians liked the stars. That’s just reality. I’d love to hear why you think it is, though.
Like I said, I’m not your history teacher, and you are just completely ignorant of the subject. You have to know how dumb you are though, but your ego just keeps ripping right through.
See I could teach you. Then you’d pretend you knew it all the time. You’re just a pseudointellectual lazy piece of shit who doesn’t know the first thing about the subject and didn’t even click “timekeeping in other cultures” when he did his pathetic Wikipedia browsing. Which is exactly why you insist on your silly kittle ignorance.
You’re plain wrong. I will tell you eventually how badly, but now I’m just gonna sip on your dumb juice. So sweet.
Oh I haven’t argued you at any point, and would never. I’d have an easier time teaching a dog to whistle, lol.
Your ring up a person, they go “why the fuck are you calling me at 09:45?”, sounding really upset. You don’t understand why. He’s in a place where that means it’s the middle of the night and as a local he understands it.
Oooor
He could just say “do you know what time it is here? It’s two am!” and you’d understand.
No, in this hypothetical scenario, he wouldn’t complain about it being 0945 because he’s grown up in a world where that’s ambiguous. He’s going to say, “Don’t you know it’s the middle of the night here?!”
No he hasn’t. Never moved a or traveled outside his own city.
That why this “make everyones time the same” is about as smart as an idea as shoving Lego up your nose.
Are you suggesting that this is a world without the internet or international television programs? He’s going to know that hours are different everywhere, especially if he has friends in other regions.
Only because the current way is the one you know. In this alternate universe where the whole world has always been on UTC and someone posted a question on Lemmy asking why the whole planet isn’t divided up into 1-hour offsets with their own times, that universe’s version of you would be just as irrationally angry with that universe’s version of me for daring to suggest that the time zone idea is no less irrational than the UTC idea.
I can’t believe you’re being serious. Literally, I have a hard time believing you aren’t pretending to be that simple.
You don’t understand time zones or geopolitical history either it seems, and you’re imaging people from thousands of years ago to have a concept of universality. I can’t thank you enough for the roaring belly laughs I’ve gotten from reading your brain farts.
You’re not proposing a single improvement, you’re making the system actively much much much shittier
Except it is, because that’s how hours work. You probably don’t know where they come from either
I know it seems to you like you’re making sense, but you’re not, because you’re ignorant of so many assumptions you’ve made, which if changed, would be like giving ancient Romans the GPS instead of them using sundials and that said Romans would’ve magically been able to consider that theyre noon is two hours after “the real” noon, which is based on…?
You’re assuming an awful lot about me based on complete ignorance and using those assumptions to justify a really bizarre level of abuse.
I’m not. That’s literally the premise of the idea proposed here. The fact that you don’t get that is really making me question your reading comprehension abilities.
Correct. I’m not. As I’ve noted several times now, I’m not proposing anything. I’m just pointing out that we have a significant bias toward the system we already know.
Yeah, they were chosen more or less arbitrarily by the ancient Egyptians because there were twelve significant constellations they followed, which led to a sort of base-12 number system they used for stuff related to the sky (months and hours in particular).
Again, units and numbers have no inherent meaning. We made it all up. A day could just as easily have had ten hours of 144 minutes each, or 40 hours of 36 minutes each.
The fact that you don’t understand what I’m saying doesn’t mean that I’m not making sense. And I think there’s ample evidence here that you’re just not reading carefully.
Ok. Deciphering your word salad here, I think you’re trying to suggest that our current 24-hour day and time zones were somehow inevitable? Which…I mean, obviously they aren’t, since there are many cultures that independently came up with different time systems.
There’s a Hindi clock that divides the day into thirty hours. Roman timekeeping was divided into 12 hours, but that time was measured from sunrise to sunset. Byzantine time uses the same division of days into 24 hours, but starts a day at sunset, meaning that the start of a day changes within the same city throughout the year. France even tried decimal time for a while, where each day has ten hours, each hour has 100 minutes, and each minute has 100 seconds. All of these systems arose from different starting conditions, none of which were “giving Romans GPS” (they already knew the Earth was round) and none of which caused any problems with users going to sleep at different times of day.
The thought experiment here isn’t “how could this have happened given existing conditions?” or even “what conditions could have brought this about?” but rather “assuming a world where some set of conditions brought about a true worldwide UTC without offsets, what would it look like to the users of that system?”
And this is what you’ve decided merits abusive behavior. Can’t imagine what you’re like about stuff that actually matters.
Oh another one of “me saying things doesn’t mean anything, you can’t deduce I meant something just because I said it!”
You are.
No, you’re pretending to be a pseudointellectuel while missing the actual issues shoved down your face, because you lack understanding and your ego is 3 sizes too big for your skills
Exactly like I said. A pretentious pseudointellectuel and I’m not gonna teach you history. Do some desperate googling and then become ashamed
Again, they literally have INHERENT meaning.
Send me your address I’ll order you a dictionary
“But but you’re laughing at my rhetoric so you can’t have read it”
Zzzz
By what fucking logic? You talk to me of reading comprehension :D
You don’t understand the fundamental flaw in the system, but like I said, I’m not gonna be lecturing you, I’d rather watch you make a moron of yourself and maybe, maybe point out later what I’m talking about.
You talk to me of word salad while you’re some pseudointellectual 14-year old twerp repeating these sad sixth grade history facts as some unbelievably arcane knowledge while not understanding the fundamental flaw in the whole system.
No, it’s “you can’t just unilaterally decide that I actually mean the opposite of what I’m saying.”
Oh, for real? Well, if you’ve already decided what I mean, then by all means, don’t let me distract you with reality.
No, I’m definitely a pseudointellectual.
I have yet to see you actually respond to the points I’ve actually made, only points you think I’ve made, so I’m not sure how you have enough data to determine that I “lack understanding.”
I don’t know what to tell you, bro. We have twelve hours because the ancient Egyptians liked the stars. That’s just reality. I’d love to hear why you think it is, though.
Before you send it, I recommend you look up the word “context.”
So, again, no actual argument, you’re just hoping to keep this going for long enough to come up with one.
I didn’t think there’s anything arcane about something that can be easily found in a history book. But thanks for assuming I’m 14, that’s very kind of you. I haven’t been assumed to be that young in a long, long time.
You know, just because your short term memory is only ten seconds long, there’s no need to rewrite the whole conversation everytime.
Or did you never develop object permanence and you literally can’t answer a thing if it’s not under your eyes, because you’ll forget it exists?
When you’re saying hot is cold and up is down, I haven’t decided that your words mean the opposite. You’re just wrong.
Noon, midday or the number of hours is anything but arbitrary. You being ignorant of the reason doesn’t make you right, it makes you ignorant. Notice anything about the divisibility of the numbers? No…? Oh right, you’re probably American, so that’s probably offensive to ask you about your maths skills. Apologies, I do understand your country is going through a tough time.
I don’t decide the meaning of your words. The world sort of does.
Like I said, I’m not your history teacher, and you are just completely ignorant of the subject. You have to know how dumb you are though, but your ego just keeps ripping right through.
See I could teach you. Then you’d pretend you knew it all the time. You’re just a pseudointellectual lazy piece of shit who doesn’t know the first thing about the subject and didn’t even click “timekeeping in other cultures” when he did his pathetic Wikipedia browsing. Which is exactly why you insist on your silly kittle ignorance.
You’re plain wrong. I will tell you eventually how badly, but now I’m just gonna sip on your dumb juice. So sweet.
Oh I haven’t argued you at any point, and would never. I’d have an easier time teaching a dog to whistle, lol.