This is something that I see a lot and it’s irks me the wrong way every time. I know that people on the internet get emotional, but we gotta stop abusing words. The word hostage describes something very specific, in this case it’s this:
a person held by one party in a conflict as a pledge pending the fulfillment of an agreement (source)
Basically a hostage is a prisoner that is specifically held captive to be used as a bargaining chip.
This is precisely the reason why the hostages taken by Hamas are called as such. They were taken with intention of using them to cut a deal with Israel later on. But in this case, Israel is very unlikely to use the people on this boat to negotiate any deal, we don’t even know if they’re even going to be detained or released once the ship gets routed to one Israel’s ports. But if Israel does detain after the fact then that’s just imprisonment.
Genuine question, how did you come up with any of these? Do you just throw any random label without taking into account what they mean?
To be imprisoned means to be kept in confinement as a punishment. They’re not prisoners by the definition of the word nor are they being tortured (like where did you even get this from?). If we were to label their current status accurately then they’re arrestees in custody of Israel.
According to Israeli human rights organization HaMoked between 1 October and 1 November, the total number of Palestinians held in administrative detention, without charge or trial, rose from 1,319 to 2,070.
Testimony from released detainees and human rights lawyers, as well as video footage and images illustrate some of the forms of torture and other ill-treatment prisoners have been subjected to by Israeli forces over the past four weeks. These include severe beatings and humiliation of detainees, including by forcing them to keep their heads down, to kneel on the floor during inmate count, and to sing Israeli songs.
You understand we’re talking about this crew, right? You understand you posting this has zero relevance to the claim you made or the topic at hand, right?
Sorry if I gave you the impression I was talking about the crew, but after you mentioned Hamas’s captives in general, my response was referring to Israeli captives in general.
Detained suspect, Detained for National Security or equivalent is probably what goes on the paperwork. If they’re held longer than reasonable repatriation takes, they would then become prisoners of some type.
Informally, prisoner is probably used the most, in spite of whatever is actually correct.
I’m sorry, but I’m having a difficult time understanding what you’re asking. Are you asking if someone counts as a hostage if they got abducted by someone else just for vengeance? If so, then no, they’re not hostages. This would be considered a kidnapping.
Illegal? No, most countries arrest people on grounds of probable cause. In this case, Israel can just cite that they arrested this crew for national security reasons, which is technically legal. During their arrest they’ll determine whether or not they want to file charges against them. If they do then they’ll proceed to a trail, otherwise they’ll be released.
They didn’t find any arms and was arrested outside of israeli terroritory. It is illegal in fact the whole blockade is illegal. It is so disgusting that you defend an occupying force
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjerjzxlpvdo.amp
I’m not defending it, I’m just pointing that the detainment of this point and it’s crew is technically legal. Agreeing or disagreeing with is irrelevant to the point.
Yoy are spreading the propaganda of security concerns that israel always use. They even use it to justify the 3 months of new aid entering gaza. You know very well that there is zero arms and no security concerns
The Israeli government needs to release their hostages.
This is something that I see a lot and it’s irks me the wrong way every time. I know that people on the internet get emotional, but we gotta stop abusing words. The word hostage describes something very specific, in this case it’s this:
Basically a hostage is a prisoner that is specifically held captive to be used as a bargaining chip.
This is precisely the reason why the hostages taken by Hamas are called as such. They were taken with intention of using them to cut a deal with Israel later on. But in this case, Israel is very unlikely to use the people on this boat to negotiate any deal, we don’t even know if they’re even going to be detained or released once the ship gets routed to one Israel’s ports. But if Israel does detain after the fact then that’s just imprisonment.
They have absolutely used Palestinian prisoners as bargaining chips. Many imprisoned Palestinians have not been convicted of a crime.
Okay, but we’re talking about this crew specifically. They serve no purpose as hostages.
No I’m talking about the people the Israli government kidnaps whether they are white or not.
The only ones ever trying to devalue the meaning of words are fascists.
Many Palestinians in Israeli prisons were put in there for resisting settlers when they started taking land.
Those are hostages, not prisoners.
But when Hamas takes hostages they are indisputably hostages.
So what term then? Political Prisoner? Arbitrarily Detained Prisoner? Torture Subject?
Genuine question, how did you come up with any of these? Do you just throw any random label without taking into account what they mean?
To be imprisoned means to be kept in confinement as a punishment. They’re not prisoners by the definition of the word nor are they being tortured (like where did you even get this from?). If we were to label their current status accurately then they’re arrestees in custody of Israel.
Starvation is a form of torture, and there are many reports alleging other forms of torture.
Do you have any evidence that this crew is being starved or tortured?
Palestinians in Israeli custody.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/11/israel-opt-horrifying-cases-of-torture-and-degrading-treatment-of-palestinian-detainees-amid-spike-in-arbitrary-arrests/
You understand we’re talking about this crew, right? You understand you posting this has zero relevance to the claim you made or the topic at hand, right?
Sorry if I gave you the impression I was talking about the crew, but after you mentioned Hamas’s captives in general, my response was referring to Israeli captives in general.
Detained suspect, Detained for National Security or equivalent is probably what goes on the paperwork. If they’re held longer than reasonable repatriation takes, they would then become prisoners of some type.
Informally, prisoner is probably used the most, in spite of whatever is actually correct.
Suspect? All evidences show that they did nothing wrong
Damn Lemmy be stupid prickly looking for fascists to hate under every bush and purity tests as far as the eye can see. Y’all are silly.
I was talking about the likely terminology the Israeli gov would use in reference to Greta and such.
Does it also mean if someone abduct someone just for vengence without any demand to the family of the victim mean he don’t have a hostage?
I’m sorry, but I’m having a difficult time understanding what you’re asking. Are you asking if someone counts as a hostage if they got abducted by someone else just for vengeance? If so, then no, they’re not hostages. This would be considered a kidnapping.
Ok, don’t you think detaining people that comitted no crimes at all is illegal?
Illegal? No, most countries arrest people on grounds of probable cause. In this case, Israel can just cite that they arrested this crew for national security reasons, which is technically legal. During their arrest they’ll determine whether or not they want to file charges against them. If they do then they’ll proceed to a trail, otherwise they’ll be released.
They didn’t find any arms and was arrested outside of israeli terroritory. It is illegal in fact the whole blockade is illegal. It is so disgusting that you defend an occupying force https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cjerjzxlpvdo.amp
I’m not defending it, I’m just pointing that the detainment of this point and it’s crew is technically legal. Agreeing or disagreeing with is irrelevant to the point.
Yoy are spreading the propaganda of security concerns that israel always use. They even use it to justify the 3 months of new aid entering gaza. You know very well that there is zero arms and no security concerns