Mike Huckabee suggested any future Palestinian state should be carved out of ‘a Muslim country’

Mike Huckabee, the US ambassador to Israel, has said that the US is no longer pursuing the goal of an independent Palestinian state, marking what analysts describe as the most explicit abandonment yet of a cornerstone of US Middle East diplomacy.

Asked during an interview with Bloomberg News if a Palestinian state remains a goal of US policy, he replied: “I don’t think so.”

The former Arkansas governor chosen by Donald Trump as his envoy to Israel went further by suggesting that any future Palestinian entity could be carved out of “a Muslim country” rather than requiring Israel to cede territory.

  • Chainweasel
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    2174 days ago

    Thank God we saved Palestine from Biden, right protest voters?
    Right?

    • @Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      62 days ago

      The protest voters amounted to some ~800k last time I did my research (check my profile for a post that goes over this).

      RFK forgot to pull out of the general election, and he amassed some ~1 million votes.

      Literally the Trump admin’s own hubris cancelled out the Uncommitted Movement’s efforts.

      But sure: let’s ignore Biden’s deep hatred and racism for Palestinians while ignoring that emocrats lost more voters than what new voters became eligible between 2020 & 2024.

      Let’s also ignore Biden’s awful, self-serving aim to run against Trump in 2024, when previously he had said he was a one-term candidate. And this old fuck couldn’t back out of the race until he was cumpstered and dumpstered on the national stage, leaving Kamala only months to prepare a campaign. Let’s not forget that there were people on voting day that didn’t even know Kamala was running (they assumed Biden).

      Let’s also ignore Kamala’s decent into fascism-lite, saying things like “the strongest military in the entire world” at the DNC, following along with right wing framing on immigration, and inviting Liz fucking Cheney on the campaign trail. This is also ignoring Kamala’s horrendously tone deaf policies aimed towards business and home owners, when most people don’t own businesses and don’t own.

      There is a generational divide in the country on Gaza. Young people under, say, 40 oppose everything this country has aided and abetted regarding Gaza. Older than 40, people don’t give a shit.

      So, have you just dated yourself? Are you too much of a bitch and coward to stick up for state mandated murder abroad? Or are you one of those soy libs that ignores all of America’s war crimes yet points out everything wrong with China?

      American foreign policy is uniparty. If you don’t protest that, you’re complicit.

    • @BassTurd@lemmy.world
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      534 days ago

      Oh boy you rustled some jimmies. Idk that I’ve seen a single comment where every response was down voted for being shitty takes.

      I’m sure all of those third party and non voters are jerking off all over themselves for saving Palestine and ending the genocide through Donald Trump.

      Hey, at least they’ve got their pedestals to look down on us from.

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        Oh boy you rustled some jimmies.

        That might be an understatement lol.
        I’m still getting comments, threats, and suggestions to commit suicide on this post, and other comments and posts I’ve made going back at least a year.

        They’re so mad they’re been browsing my comment history to find more things to get pissed off about lol.
        I love pissing off fascists and all the attention let’s me know I’m on the right track.

        • @BassTurd@lemmy.world
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          123 days ago

          Same. I’ve had cancer wished on me, suicide, and a few other things. Like you said, it’s solidly let me know the kind of people that I’m criticizing.

          Someone lost a friend in Lebanon, and that’s sad. I’m sure if they were still here, they’d be stoked that their friend effectively supported Donald Trump to help out though.

        • @archonet@lemy.lol
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          I think for everyone who can not, for one reason or another, go out in the streets and shout “what the fuck are we doing?”, the next best, most morally correct thing to do is to piss fascists off and waste their time.

      • @hark@lemmy.world
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        263 days ago

        The original comment is a shitty take. Biden was sending billions in weapons to israel to carry out its mission of genocide. He continued doing this even though people were begging him to stop during an election when he needed their votes. Harris continued his rhetoric. You and Chainweasel think that somehow Biden/Harris would have changed course after they didn’t need the votes. Now you’re talking about people jerking all over themselves while you and Chainweasel admonish voters for not picking the correct genocide-enabler-in-chief. Hope you have good balance on that pedestal of yours because it’s really high up.

        • @BassTurd@lemmy.world
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          213 days ago

          Ok, so assume all things equal, everything happens the same in Gaza… Trump is still significantly worse in every other facet. So yea, all third party voters and non voters are fucking moronic Trump supporters. A bunch of ignorant fuckwits that think that they made a difference by standing up against the establishment. Congrats, we got Trump.

          There’s only so many ways to say that there were two outcomes last November, and everyone knew that. If y’all can’t wrap your head around that reality 6 months later, then that says everything about your ability to reason.

          • @hark@lemmy.world
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            73 days ago

            The most basic job responsibility of a politician is to get elected. Democrats’ only platform is “at least we’re not as bad as the other guys” but the other guys only get worse and worse while democrats follow along, making sure to be just different enough to make people think they have a choice, but not different enough to change the course of our country and its servitude to the ultra-rich.

            You’re arguing with people on here who most likely voted for Harris. I know I did. However, who I vote for doesn’t matter when democrats are so bad at looking appealing and fighting for a winning chance that my vote is drowned out by others not paying attention or who are gerrymandered away (or otherwise suppressed).

            • @BassTurd@lemmy.world
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              I’m specifically arguing with/against non voters, 3rd party voters, and Trump voters. I also pinched my nose and voted for Harris in November. I’m not going to argue for the democratic party, because it’s the second worst major party in the US, and they suck. Unfortunately, we are a FPtP nation, so in the general we get two options and get to pick who’s less bad. Lot’s of people that voted for Harris did so with that in mind.

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              Doesn’t matter what the Democrats platform was.

              If they were concerned about Gaza and didn’t vote Harris, then they didn’t care about Gaza. Because of them Trump got elected like everyone told them, and made the situation in Gaza worse.

              • @hark@lemmy.world
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                If democrats were concerned about stopping trump and ignored voters, then they didn’t care about stopping trump. Because of them trump got elected like everyone told them, and made the situation in Gaza worse.

          • @Iceman@lemmy.world
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            153 days ago

            Why I don’t get is why the democrats ran a chicken race with democracy for a widely despised policy when they knew the stakes. We can call the electorate morons all day and even have point, but they are supposed to be smart.

            • @BalderSion@real.lemmy.fan
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              The why doesn’t strike me as hard. A number of domestic voting blocks in critical swing states will mobilize hard against any perceived flagging of support of Israel. It will play poorly in the press broadly, and opponents will successfully fundraise on the issue.

              The worst part is the party is being entirely realistic. Jeremy Corbyn showed what happens when a party leadership is not sufficiently supportive of Israel. Any left of center leader will be tagged as radical, but the accusations of harboring antisemitic elements lost labour what should have been a landslide victory.

              Continuing to write Israel a blank check may be widely despised, but the left might hold their nose and vote blue anyway. The left is famously never satisfied, so what else is new?

              • @Iceman@lemmy.world
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                33 days ago

                Even when Bidens line was far to the right of every previous admin besides Donalds? I have a hard time believing there wasn’t a coalition holding line possible here when it was a majority possition.

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            The main argument was never “Trump is no worse than Harris”. To argue against this is fighting windmills.

            • @BassTurd@lemmy.world
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              73 days ago

              The argument has always been, of the two candidates, one of which will win, which is less bad? People that voted third party or didn’t vote decided that Trump is less bad.

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                No it wasn’t. That’s disregarding a heap of systemic criticism and historical and moral considerations.

                • @BassTurd@lemmy.world
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                  It was, because that’s reality. It does disregard a lot of criticism, because again, at the end of the day, there were two candidates, and one was going to win. Harris wasn’t, imo, a good candidate, but Trump was a far worse.

                  In the US, it’s been that way for the better part of the past century, because FPtP always devolves to a two party system. This past election was no different.

        • @triptrapper@lemmy.world
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          1 million upvotes for you. “Hope you’re happy Trump got elected. Palestine is doing great now” etc. is such a tired cliche at this point. I’m astonished that it gets upvoted every. single. time. Harris literally said she wouldn’t do anything different from Biden. She would have allowed/financed the genocide all the same, but she’d be calling the “tragic loss of life” a “very complex issue.” I have no idea where this fantasy comes from that she would suddenly be the hero who stands up to Israel.

          • @BassTurd@lemmy.world
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            183 days ago

            She would have been better for the world as a whole than Trump. If you truely think that things would have played out exactly the same in Gaza with Harris as POTUS, then it still comes down to two candidates last November, and every person knew that one of them would win. So a vote for Trump, a non vote, or a third party vote directly benefited Trump.

            “Oh but I voted against genocide”, fuck no you didn’t. You voted in a manner that directly put Trump in charge, which was the worst possible outcome.

            • @triptrapper@lemmy.world
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              To be clear, I voted for Harris, and I implored everyone I know to vote for Harris, for exactly the reasons you mentioned. I will always vote for the farthest-left candidate in the general, full-stop. I’m not arguing that both sides are the same, or that Harris wouldn’t have been a better choice for 100 reasons outside of the genocide issue. I’m arguing that Harris gave no indication that she would defend Palestine or even recognize the genocide at all. She might well have done those things, but she didn’t campaign on that, so I don’t know why anyone is defending her on the issue. Establishment Dems can’t seem to get it through their heads that progressive policies are popular, so we keep getting general elections between an absolute monster and a neolib Dem saying, “Vote for me or you’ll get the monster!” That might be the reality, but it’s not a platform.

              I live in a blue state, and I had people around me arguing that whether they voted third-party or didn’t vote at all, they would be able to sleep at night knowing that A. they didn’t vote for genocide and B. the state would go blue anyway. I don’t agree with that position at all. I want third parties to be represented in the US, but that starts at the local level and in the primaries. By the general election it’s too late and we realistically have two options. I also believe that shutting down any criticism of the Dem candidate (e.g. a now-banned user told me to kill myself) is a good way to alienate people and discourage them from engaging with the process at all. The right has banned nuance from their discourse, and I refuse to allow the same thing to happen around me.

              • @BassTurd@lemmy.world
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                I agree with you on everything you wrote.

                I’m not trying to say that Harris would have been good for Palestine, or even a good POTUS. I’m saying she was the less bad option overall in the election. I don’t know that anything would be different with Israel had she won, but I think there was a better chance that she would have done something good over Trump doing something good. That could still be a negligible chance, but it was the better of two chances.

                Like you said, local elections and primaries (when they’re held, but that’s separate from this overall conversation) are when to vote for different parties and more fringe candidates. One of two people is already the winner in the election by the time November rolls around, so it comes down to least bad.

            • @hark@lemmy.world
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              It could be argued that trump is actually better for the world (but not for the US) since he’s ruining the US’s soft power by tearing up alliances and expressing blatant corruption, making the US look incompetent and completely untrustworthy. Now other countries are finding alternatives, making the US not as central as it used to be. He is perhaps the most effective tool in helping the US empire fall.

              You could also argue that this is accelerationism, but to be fair, democrats take advantage of accelerationism all the time (e.g. “republicans have repealed reproductive rights, donate even more money to us so we can fight it” while letting things get worse and worse, barely putting up a fight to make long-lasting changes and indeed letting things get this bad so they can position themselves as the only “solution”).

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                All, unfortunately, true.

                Edit: Unfortunate for us in the US, not necessarily unfortunate for the rest of the world in some aspects. I still think as a whole his influence and other actions probably still make him worse for the world, but there is a valid argument about nations growing less dependent on the US.

                Hopefully in 3.5 years (or please God, less), the US will be knocked down a peg on the world stage, other nations have a more diverse and stable trade relationships, and maybe Trump’s actions will help spark other countries into action against hard right politics to prevent the same thing from happening to them. Ideally, this could be a catalyst for positive change, but I’m not holding my breath.

          • @nomreokuntz@lemmy.cafe
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            I have friends in an active warzone and everytime there’s a disguisting yank to make it about their domestic policy. You country have been supporting this shit for decades you piece of trash. Go get cancer

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        I doubt that anyone ever claimed Trump would end the genocide on Palestinians from outside a troll farm in St. Petersburg.

        • @BassTurd@lemmy.world
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          73 days ago

          Some of them I’m sure thought it, but definitely a minority. It’s the fact that Gaza was used as a means to target Harris, and against all evidence suggesting it would be the same or worse, didn’t do the same to condemn Trump.

            • @BassTurd@lemmy.world
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              You’re right, it would have, but the reality was Trump or Harris. It was still an extremely easy decision, but it would have been better if the less shitty candidate was even less shitty.

              • @WanderingVentra@lemm.ee
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                If Democrats can’t handle the lowest bar in thr world, that of being against genocide, then the party doesn’t deserve to exist full stop. We need a new party, the Dems won’t save us from the next Trump either.

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                  Cool, but that doesn’t happen in the general election. The seems aren’t good, but had 3rd party and non voters voted for Harris, then yes, the Democratic party would have saved us from Trump. Realistically, it’s the people saving us from Trump via the Democratic party, but at the end of the day, we got Trump because those same individuals decided a Trump presidency was the better outcome. Full stop.

    • @ProvableGecko@lemmy.world
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      As a lib I am deeply ashamed that we have missed a historic opportunity of electing a black woman to unquestioningly, unequivocally and fully support the destruction of Palestine all the while lying about “working round the clock to stop the Israel-Hamas war”.

    • @opavader@lemmy.world
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      how the fck this has so many votes ? that scum did nothing but lie about it for a year. that trash had failed upward his entire political carrier by bankrolling with aipac blood money.

      he is the biggest reason harris lost and was probably told to do so by israel.

      • @Ledericas@lemm.ee
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        racism, toxic masculinity, sexism won out over actual governance policies. DNC underestimated the “socially conservatives” of blacks, and hispanic people. add in a little election interference of the machines and propaganda.

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          dnc underestimated nothing, they are a party run by two faced drifters like pelosi and schumer. these parasites are part of the same oligarchy.

          i live in very liberal part of nyc and not a single person whether black, hispanic, asian or white wants to vote for dnc since Hillary because their policies have been just farce and they do a half ass job even on getting that implemented. biden funded and cheered a live streamed genocide, did fuck to protect women rights or stop rabid inflation. he cried about humanity in ukraine while burning children alive in hospitals and made US a even a bigger joke on warcrimes. blocked a proper dnc primary and then ended his presidency by pardoning his whoring drug addict son who drifted millions by lobbying for superpacs leveraging his scum father’s position.

          the only reason harris got any vote was because her opponents was way worse trash then her. everyone knew she is just another spineless pimp for superpacs like last two dnc candidates.

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      Get over yourself mate. We haven’t memory holed genocide Joe.

      To the downvoters. Biden supplied the weapons, the political cover and the witchunt against domestic dissent. These policies were all continued by Trump.

      Matthew Miller and Blinken shed lots of crocodile tears but continued to support Netanyahu for 18 months. There was no serious effort at stopping the genocide under the Democrats

      • @Lupus108@sh.itjust.works
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        Great, now you got the genocide still going AND a fascist takeover of your country, with even less possibility to change anything and plenty of distractions to the Palestinians cause because your country is falling apart around you.

        • FlashMobOfOne
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          Genocide Joe walked so Fascist Donald could run.

          Fascism didn’t start in January. It’s been a steady, forty-year march aided and abetted by every president since Carter.

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            I generally agree with your premise up until the point where you argue for accelerating the rise of fascism.

            NOTHING has been gained by this, NOTHING changed for the better, it only got harder to bring about change. The people who could’ve mobilized and fought for those causes are now busy trying to stop the gestapo from deporting their neighbors.

            • FlashMobOfOne
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              argue for accelerating the rise of fascism.

              Either you’re putting up a straw man or you didn’t read what I wrote correctly.

              • @grue@lemmy.world
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                He correctly understood the context in which you wrote it, which was defending fascist-accelerationist non-voters and third-party voters.

    • @prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      Look, I was the first person in threads to call these people out back in February. And March… But it’s June. This shit accomplishes nothing now beyond creating more unnecessary division.

      I don’t even disagree, it’s just not productive to constantly harp on this when we’ve all heard it a million times

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        I don’t even disagree, it’s just not productive to constantly harp on this when we’ve all heard it a million times

        Man, there are people who still believe that helping fascism win was a good idea. Look in this very comment thread, where people are openly extolling the virtues of having Trump win from a ‘leftist’ standpoint, and teaching those damn dirty SHITLIBS a lesson.

        As long as those opinions remain widespread on here, it remains necessary to highlight just how morally repugnant they are.

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        Same thing as you, me and everyone else here, I’d wager. Nothing. Welcome to social media.

    • @ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works
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      The zionists won. It doesn’t need reminding.

      A movement tried to make Palestine a relevant political issue for the electorate. It got stomped out. I don’t get this sentiment to keep stomping.

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        A movement tried to make Palestine a relevant political issue for the electorate. It got stomped out.

        No, it succeeded in its goal - making sure the fascist won.

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        There are those of us who will never see the protest (non-)voters as allies again due to their willingness to ignore the basic math of the election and enable fascists to win to “prove a point”. They are a step away from collaborators and hold part of the responsibility for every person who has been kidnapped by ICE, the end of a possibility of a free Palestine, every murdered protestor, every trans youth who commits suicide because they are denied care, every child that dies from measles.

        Performative bullshit driven by the desire to feel moral superiority while helping get a fascist elected and undoing a century of civil and societal progress doesn’t make one an ally. It makes them useful idiots to the far-right and betrayers of people in vulnerable populations, everyone whose life is ruined by global warming.

        I might forgive this who take responsibility and try to lend a hand in the multi-generation effort to try repairing the damage that has been in under 200 days (protest voters have fucked over GenX through Alpha, at the very least). But, as long as I live, I’ll not forget, nor will I allow them or anyone else to do so, lest someone make the mistake of thinking that they would stand up for anyone in any effective manner capable of positive change.

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      Israel is done. It’ll take a few years more, but Trump abandoned Israel and the world is turning its back. Palestine will be free, and only then you also will be free.

      Until then, you’ll keep bouncing back between openly fascist and polite fascist like the good little wage slave that you are.

      This was Biden’s genocide, you can never take that away from him.

    • @nomreokuntz@lemmy.cafe
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      My friend in lebannon, she got firebombed last year.

      I wish you to one day see your mum trying to remove the thermite off what used to be her face, but that shit is sticky.

      Enjoy your own medecine asshole i hope you get shot