Lol! Nope. They’re not paying squat - except for the poverty wages they’ve always paid their workers (if even that). And there’s very little chance of that changing any time soon.
People have some weird ideas how things really work here in ole’ South Africa - and that includes most South Africans, I’m afraid.
What is your mother tongue, if I may ask?
My mother tongue is Afrikaans - I’m one of those people Trump says is being “genocided” here in South Africa.
Not even finally having to maybe give something back? Wow… Even more of a nothingburger than I’d thought. I am quite ignorant of the reality of South Africa, and the whole southern hemisphere I think. (I can however imagine Trump claiming, if it had passed, that the Australian Aboriginal Rights law was an act of genocide on European Australians.)
Did hear that the ANC is continuing to have a lot of internal strife with Rhamposa and the previous leader who was removed for corruption. Is Rhamposa any better? And does the nation as a whole feel like it’s able to try to move to better things? (Can’t imagine it does from you saying it doesn’t look like white land owners will have to pay out any more than poverty wages on the near future.)
Did hear that the ANC is continuing to have a lot of internal strife with Rhamposa and the previous leader who was removed for corruption. Is Rhamposa any better?
No, they didn’t remove Zuma because of corruption - our entire political establishment is about as rancid as a defunded sewer system. He was removed because his faction lost the internecine infighting endemic to the ANC.
Ramaphosa is an interesting case. My dad actually knew him when he was just a junior union guy in the mines - that was, of course, before he became a mining boss (a very politically charged term here in South Africa) himself and betrayed the mineworkers and (literally) sicced murder-pig on them back in 2012 in front of the world’s cameras.
Sooo…
And does the nation as a whole feel like it’s able to try to move to better things?
…no. We’re just headed deeper into crushing neoliberal dystopia - and our entire political establishment (which includes the ANC and all the so-called “opposition”) thinks that’s just fine and dandy. Even our (supposed) public infrastructure is now “run like a business” - and I mean that literally. South Africa is a reactionary time-bomb - and throwing poor immigrants under the bus (like they’ve been doing since 2008) will only work to keep “business as usual” going for so long.
I had assumed Ramaphosa (thanks for correct spelling) was akin to Starmer or Nick Clegg in British terms - didn’t realise he was such a traitor and as well as scab. Thanks for the insights in to the South African situation.
Lol! Nope. They’re not paying squat - except for the poverty wages they’ve always paid their workers (if even that). And there’s very little chance of that changing any time soon.
People have some weird ideas how things really work here in ole’ South Africa - and that includes most South Africans, I’m afraid.
My mother tongue is Afrikaans - I’m one of those people Trump says is being “genocided” here in South Africa.
Not even finally having to maybe give something back? Wow… Even more of a nothingburger than I’d thought. I am quite ignorant of the reality of South Africa, and the whole southern hemisphere I think. (I can however imagine Trump claiming, if it had passed, that the Australian Aboriginal Rights law was an act of genocide on European Australians.)
Did hear that the ANC is continuing to have a lot of internal strife with Rhamposa and the previous leader who was removed for corruption. Is Rhamposa any better? And does the nation as a whole feel like it’s able to try to move to better things? (Can’t imagine it does from you saying it doesn’t look like white land owners will have to pay out any more than poverty wages on the near future.)
No, they didn’t remove Zuma because of corruption - our entire political establishment is about as rancid as a defunded sewer system. He was removed because his faction lost the internecine infighting endemic to the ANC.
Ramaphosa is an interesting case. My dad actually knew him when he was just a junior union guy in the mines - that was, of course, before he became a mining boss (a very politically charged term here in South Africa) himself and betrayed the mineworkers and (literally) sicced murder-pig on them back in 2012 in front of the world’s cameras.
Sooo…
…no. We’re just headed deeper into crushing neoliberal dystopia - and our entire political establishment (which includes the ANC and all the so-called “opposition”) thinks that’s just fine and dandy. Even our (supposed) public infrastructure is now “run like a business” - and I mean that literally. South Africa is a reactionary time-bomb - and throwing poor immigrants under the bus (like they’ve been doing since 2008) will only work to keep “business as usual” going for so long.
Oh, that’s rubbish (to put it mildly).
I had assumed Ramaphosa (thanks for correct spelling) was akin to Starmer or Nick Clegg in British terms - didn’t realise he was such a traitor and as well as scab. Thanks for the insights in to the South African situation.
Sure thing.