the issue was already personal, pitting service against citizenship
For the record, no, it’s pitting unconstitutional orders against sworn duty.
I don’t want the military to decide any outcomes, but I do think just about time they let everyone involved know that the military’s only loyalty is to the people and the constitution. Yes, they take orders from the president, but we have checks and balances for a reason, and I’d feel better if the military just stated plainly their primary goal is to keep it that way.
If they stay compliment with Trump, they won’t need to be purged anyways as they are complient at that point.
If they pick the right moment to resist, they can at least tie up lawyers and/or millitarty personnel up with court marshalls, spending money, resources, and manpower to keep them in military prison, ect.
And besides that, its literally in their oath to disobey unlawful orders, so if something is blatently unconstitutional and immoral I would expect every good soldier to follow their oath rather than their orders.
I don’t disagree with any of this, but it’s kind of precisely why coming out and saying what teawrecks wants them to say before that right moment is foolhardy at best imo.
For the record, no, it’s pitting unconstitutional orders against sworn duty.
I don’t want the military to decide any outcomes, but I do think just about time they let everyone involved know that the military’s only loyalty is to the people and the constitution. Yes, they take orders from the president, but we have checks and balances for a reason, and I’d feel better if the military just stated plainly their primary goal is to keep it that way.
While that would be nice, this would potentially make Trump try to purge “non-loyal” officers even harder.
This is why such a revolution doesn’t start from the masses, but from someone higher up who gives the command and then people follow them.
If a lowly soldier disobeys, he’s removed. And grass-roots doesn’t work for that kind of stuff.
Trump has been getting rid of higher ups, they aren’t protected.
That makes everything pretty difficult.
What generally triggers military coups is that one of these higher-ups rebels when or after they are removed.
But yeah, there’s a time window for that and it’s closing rapidly.
There won’t be a rebellion by the people. There hardly can be one, without a rebellion by the military.
Yes, which is why in the other comment chain we were talking about the right moment. Tip your hand too soon and you’re just getting purged.
True, but it only works if there will actually be a rebellion started by some higher-up.
Then there’s no point to any of these hypotheticals, is there??
Anything to make Trump’s dismantlement of democracy even just a tiny bit harder is a good thing.
My fear is that it would make it easier, by singling out who needs to be purged.
If they stay compliment with Trump, they won’t need to be purged anyways as they are complient at that point.
If they pick the right moment to resist, they can at least tie up lawyers and/or millitarty personnel up with court marshalls, spending money, resources, and manpower to keep them in military prison, ect.
And besides that, its literally in their oath to disobey unlawful orders, so if something is blatently unconstitutional and immoral I would expect every good soldier to follow their oath rather than their orders.
I don’t disagree with any of this, but it’s kind of precisely why coming out and saying what teawrecks wants them to say before that right moment is foolhardy at best imo.
In other words, your saying that they should keep a low profile until the moment they need to disobey? Makes sense.
Yeah, exactly this.