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I think that the protests have finally gotten the politically uninformed to look around and see what’s happening. Most of those “independents or those who don’t identify with either major party” are just not in the habit of informing themselves about policy. Many, or maybe even most, get the bullet points on the daily news and that’s it. Now, somewhere north of 6 million people have protested Trump’s policies and the news has been covering it. It has shaken them out of their routine. They’ve looked around and educated themselves and realized that this is not normal.
I hope this means the next round of protests hits the 10 million people mark.
It still angers me how so many people were confused when Joe Biden wasn’t one of the candidates on election day. I understand not watching the news but like wasn’t that all over social media?
One of the problems with social media is that that algorithms they use act as a filter based on your previous clicks. If one never clicks on political stuff, then their feed will rarely if ever show them political stuff. Someone who never pays attention to politics, and doesn’t watch the news, could easily remain completely ignorant of major issues unless someone they personally know tells them something or they are personally inconvenienced by a protest.
Along with pushing right wing content that’s completely out of step with reality, which they love to inject into people’s feeds because it drives engagement.
It’s kind of baffling to me. All of my friends are to some degree engaged in politics. But there are probably whole chunks of society that just brain rot through the day looking at memes and don’t really think about anything.
I think I kind of radicalized one of the guys I worked with just by talking to him about broad strokes of history and labor. If instead of me they had hired some bland “don’t talk about anything” standard guy, he might not have learned much. Talking to people can help.
I think you’re right. And I think it’s in large part because news is largely a right-wing echo chamber. Not that there aren’t left-leaning outlets, but the most visible outlets are either overtly right-leaning or spend all their time platforming right-leaning people and then lending them legitimacy by mainstream-washing the completely bonkers garbage they spew.
“Kristi Noem, known for her no-nonsense stance on pet discipline…”, “President Trump attended an understated and somber celebration of American military history…”
Anyway, point is when enough people stand together they become difficult to ignore and de-legitimize. Just the act of uniting so many people from every walk of life, particularly in light of Trump’s failure parade on sadness street, is empowering. Trump barely broke into double-digit thousands offering $1k per person (I don’t know what the actual number is, but I’m sure it’s not more than 10% of the “official” tally).
It was a stroke of genius to hold the protest on Trump’s birthday, making it a clear contest which Trump lost by yuge margins—margins like you’ve never seen before. Some people are saying the biggest margins ever.
Even Fox News can’t spin that as anything other than abject failure, and if there’s anything MAGA hates more than minorities, it’s losers.
No Kings hit 13 million in total. The estimates you see floating around were produces by Alt National Park Service, who had people out there counting, and the reason there are many is that they posted estimates on their (I think Bluesky???) account as the day progressed, so larger estimates simply came from later in the day and 13 million was the final estimate. And no, this doesn’t mean Trump will be legally forced to resign by the 3.5% “rule”.
I’ve not seen the 13 million number posted anywhere. Do you have a link, perchance? Also, I have no clue what a 3.5% rule is.
Couple of posts:
The 3.5% rule is more of an observation than a rule. It’s hopeful, but little more than that.
I couldn’t quickly find a citation for 13 million, but the first post does indicate counts are still coming in.
Alt National Park Service is not credible, they are basically a left-targeting qanon. The organizers of the protest say they had 5 million people in attendance.
No argument. I can’t speak to the veracity of the account. I was answering where the big numbers came from.
I’m not sure the tally is knowable. The pictures from NYC and Chicago were very impressive, but I wouldn’t know 1 million people from 100,000 just by looking to be honest.
Thanks. I was hoping for more than the Alt National Parks Service posts. So, as I see it, the numbers are somewhere between 4 million (the lowest estimate I’ve seen) which I don’t find credible, and 11 million from this post, which I have to admit I doubt. This account is, by necessity, anonymous. I cannot put a tremendous amount of faith in the numbers here, but I suspect they are closer to reality than the 4 million. I guess the truth is that the numbers will never likely be known with any accuracy.
I don’t know who might have credible numbers. Obviously not the government. Altnps has a narrative and I expect they want everyone who came out to feel validated. That doesn’t mean they are lying, but they would have motive and no transparency.
At the end of the day, it was a lot of people and one can simply visually compare the turnout in a single large city to Trump’s parade and see which way the wind is blowing.
I hope so too, but they picked July 17, middle of the week. Women’s march decided to still organize protest on July 4th, which is better but still many perks might be out of town (there were more people on April 5 than on 19th for example)
I understand symbolism, but why not be practical?
Also wasn’t the number from June 14 13.14 million?
That would be desirable, of course, but I wouldn’t count on it.