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@Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.com to Showerthoughts@lemmy.world •
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It's interesting that gun rights were sold on the basis of "resisting unlawful government." They seen to have caused and supported unlawful government.

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It's interesting that gun rights were sold on the basis of "resisting unlawful government." They seen to have caused and supported unlawful government.

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    That’s what you get if you believe that laws written a quarter millenium ago are still some kind of holy infallable scripture.

    Weapons have changed enormously since then and so has every part of society.

    Back when the 2nd ammendment was written, the average weapon of the military and of private citizens would be about the same: front-loaded, single-shot gun. Soldiers had very low standards of training and militias still formed the backbone of the military.

    It’s totally possible for a large amount of private citizens to stand a decent chance against the military.

    Nowadays a private citizen would have some kind of gun, while the military has tanks, planes, missiles and aircraft carriers. Even if half the country would take up arms, they’d stand no chance against the US military, which makes the whole point of “resisting unlawful government” moot.

    • @FreakinSteve@lemmy.world
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      6•20 hours ago

      Yours are the words of an armchair porkbelly who has absolutely no idea whatsoever how militaries or revolutions or even guns themselves work.

      Get in the cattle car.

      • @squaresinger@lemmy.world
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        … says the armchair porkbelly revolutionary.

        How many revolutions did you fight in, mighty keyboard warlord?

        • @FreakinSteve@lemmy.world
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          1•13 hours ago

          this is going great for you

    • @nomy@lemmy.zip
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      5•20 hours ago

      Bro look at Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, and Afghanistan,

      Better toys for your soldiers doesn’t mean you automatically win the war.

      • @squaresinger@lemmy.world
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        On the home turf, yes it does. Also, the US only committed a fraction of their military power in these wars. Do you think the same would happen when the war zone was the US itself?

        • @M0oP0o@mander.xyz
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          Well yeah.

    • @WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works
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      2•20 hours ago

      That’s when you use the smaller weapons to storm lightly defended military bases and seize the really big guns.

      • @squaresinger@lemmy.world
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        Sure. Because military bases with big guns certainly don’t have the ability to use said big guns.

        • @WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works
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          3•19 hours ago

          https://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/29/world/africa/29libya.html

          https://www.france24.com/en/20170808-venezuela-hunts-rebels-behind-military-base-attack-army-maduro

          https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1925688/putin-russia-ukraine-drone-attack-millerovo-airbase

          https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/syrian-rebel-seize-military-base-idlib-govt-forces-back-foot

          https://sudantribune.com/article56201/

          https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/southeast-asia/article/2178773/philippine-rebels-abduct-soldiers-and-militiamen-predawn

          https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2014/6/3/ukraine-separatists-lay-siege-to-luhansk-base

          https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2014/1/8/syrian-rebels-seize-isil-base-in-aleppo

          https://www.upi.com/Archives/1992/11/06/Communist-rebels-destroy-three-military-aircraft-in-raid/6997721026000/

          https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/nov/28/syrian-rebel-missiles-assad-aircraft

          https://www.taipeitimes.com/News/world/archives/2005/04/11/2003250030

          http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7794057.stm

          https://www.france24.com/en/20160918-india-kashmir-rebel-attack-insurgency-indian-soldiers-killed

          https://www.india.com/news/world/air-strike-kills-11-at-rebel-held-yemen-base-official-1172934/

          https://www.upi.com/Archives/1988/04/23/11-die-in-attack-at-Sri-Lanka-air-base/5417577771200/

    • @Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.comOP
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      I think you’re wrong.

      • @squaresinger@lemmy.world
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        What are you going to do? Use your semi-automatic peashooter against modern tanks?

        • @WoodScientist@sh.itjust.works
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          4•19 hours ago

          No, but you and your buddies could use your peashooters to raid an army base, kill the guards, and steal the keys to the tanks in a surprise raid. This is a very common occurrence in rebellions. When you see Syrian rebels or rebels in other countries, where exactly do you think they got their heavy weapons from? Do you think they made them in a garage somewhere?

        • @Melatonin@lemmy.dbzer0.comOP
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          “Can’t” never could

    • @funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works
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      quarter millennium

      • @squaresinger@lemmy.world
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        Thanks for spotting the typo

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