I understand why the employee is not pressing charges. It’s a matter of their and their family’s safety. Ok.
But what I don’t understand is that if using the cemetery for political purposes is against the law, and there are obviously many photos released and used in Trump’s campaign material, why not use that evidence to charge Trump¥, the campaign, and the photographers?
¥ Sadly even if they tried to arrest Trump, I’m sure it wouldn’t stick anyway because apparently he gets away with everything.
This is a problem with liberals. Conservatives are playing to win, even if it means playing dirty. Liberals are playing to play. That is why Conservatives are winning and getting more powerful even while being openly wrong, weird, and stupid.
But they aren’t winning, and aren’t becoming more powerful. The GOP is weaker and more fractured than it’s ever been in living memory.
They have the supreme court, they have taken away abortion rights. Jan 6th happened which was an attempted coup and very few were charged, some that were, were even released. Trump is openly talking about election fraud for the upcoming election. Trump is talking about becoming a Dictator. That is just the big stuff.
Yeah, they aren’t that popular, but that doesn’t seem to be stopping them.
In any sane society these actions would be lead Trump to be tried for Treason and MAGA to be labeled as a terrorist organization.
They also have a very good chance at taking both houses of Congress. I believe either half or more than half of the state Governors are Rep, and same for state houses. They’re not at all weak.
Your argument is full of fail. Straight from the beginning your position is established. Why should anyone listen to anything you have to say and not just block you outright?
Why should anyone listen to anything you have to say and not just block you outright?
Why didn’t you?
Because I am right ;)
No, it over simplifies a whole effort by generations of people.
Hey, I am not saying liberals don’t work hard. They work very hard! Then they watch as Conservatives walk back everything they did and more, with less popular support.
full of fail
Are you from the past?
“fail blog! dot org”
full of fail
ive got bad news for you if you just time travelled forward from 2006
Why not arrest ANY of the 50 or so people. Just start arresting the poorest person in the photo (money means no consequences) and then every day the next and so on.
I think it would super interesting.
deleted by creator
I agree with making the employee a target.
But Trump is known for not protecting those who stand up for him. The low level staffers would be in trouble and their god-king won’t bail them out. He only cares about himself.
deleted by creator
Because Trump is rich and influential and it’s long past the time we should stop pretending the law actually applies to everyone.
Laws and rules are for regular people, if you are rich or famous or influential enough, laws do not apply to you
Law prohibits political campaign or election related activities at the cemetery, not photography in general. If their photographs are not used by their campaign officials and trump can reasonably articulate a reason to have been there aside from campaigning, which would be pretty easy, it does not seem there would be any grounds against him. It seems the news reporting on the incident is the primary coverage of the visit.
In order to press charges she has to announce her name publicly. And if she does that, MAGAts will come after her and her family. May even try to kill her. Trump’s followers are not our best.
I’ve seen several cases where on the docket and in court records its an anonymous victim, since charges aren’t filed by the individual when it comes to criminal matters. It’s the state or federal government that is levying the charges and the victim is largely a witness.
I don’t know how any of this works, but I assume some person who “has been harmed” by the actions needs to press charges. I would assume that could potentially be any American. Wouldn’t it be great if Harris did it? The former prosecutor/DA filing charges against the criminal opponent.
In most common law jurisdictions, the executive branch doesn’t require even a victim, they merely need the elements of the criminal offence satisfied.
Not sure about the US, likely they need her to strengthen the case and won’t bother without her witness testimony.
I don’t think that’s right. In cases where the person pressing charges makes the difference between filing suit or not, it’s like because their testimony is crucial to the case. The government doesn’t need it, though.
why do you use the yen sign for the asterisk lol
There wasn’t a particular reason; it’s what I decided to go with.
somehow that makes it worse
It’s a federal crime to put your hands on a federal employee, the employee doesn’t have to be named or anything the federal government can pursue it in the interest of justice in her stead.
Unfortunately he’d just argue for the 6th, of having the right to face your accuser/witnesses in any criminal case. And once he knows the accuser’s name, he’ll plaster her info all over his network, even with the ever useful gag-order.
The accuser can be the US Government or what ever specific agency she works for.
Then he’ll make the argument that it’s all made up if they don’t reveal the victim.
We’re talking about a guy that tries to make any, and everything a legal loophole. It’s one of the reasons his cases take so much time for the prosecution to build their cases
They have witnesses and their accuser is the federal government like felony murder.
Ed: plaster a witness and victim that’s a government employee? No no, he can get away with quite a bit but middle employees will never let this shit stand.
Hasn’t he gone after judges?
He’s gone after judges’ families. Plural.
People don’t have sympathy for judges, they don’t generally love government workers but you don’t fuck with workers people can actually relate to.
but middle employee employees will never let this shit stand.
He said, seemingly unaware of the last decade of American politics.
When in the last decade did a politician assault a government employee on camera then lie and blame it on them? I seem to forget that one.
Remember that time a guy body slammed a reporter?
inb4 “a reporter isn’t a government employee!”
These clowns are never held accountable, haven’t we all figured that out yet? Standards of conduct and morals are only effective when your own followers have them.
edit: just wait until you learn about the unitary executive theory, a vast number of “conservatives” believe the president should have the power to just fire the Arlington employee and replace them with someone loyal to the president.
You mean the time that guy got convicted of assault on someone who wasn’t a government employee? Yes, yes I do.
They’ve been escalating rhetoric against various govt agencies and employees of them for years, it’s only going to get worse.
We don’t even need to argue it though, we can wait and see if this turns any MAGAts away from Trump or if Steven Cheung, the staffer that did the shoving, is charged.
I wish “middle employees” had the time or could afford to give a shit and that this would make a difference, I’m not that optimistic.
Or Dark Brandon could just “disappear” the orange bastard in a Supreme Court-protected “official act.”
One or the other. 🤷🏼♂️
The USA needs to learn from the mistakes made following the Civil War. Do not let the seditionists back into government.
They’re already in government and red states are happy to have them.
They also run the supreme court right now.
Not having a way to recall judges is a severe flaw in the constitution.
The Supreme Court itself has established that there is a legal way to recall Justices now:
Kill them and call it an “official act”.
Too late
These assholes have already won. If somehow they find their way back into the hell hole they came out of, it won’t be in my lifetime.
I’m not a very hateful, or vengeful person. I can’t think of a single grudge that I hold against any particular person I’ve encountered. But for Republicans, I wish them the worst and will enjoy watching every pineapple karma is inclined to shove up their asses. In fact, I’ve resided myself just now to find a way to celebrate every small victory against these fuckers and will live a happier life for it.
Dude. Calm the fuck down and resume your therapy.
Huh?
deleted by creator
Maybe. Maybe not. Either way, I’m not done fighting. Vote.
In case anyone was wondering, this is the bullshit perspective Republicans are jerking each other off with:
Harris was asked to be there by the Gold Star families and she refused. Her and Biden both refused. They are responsible for the casualties that occurred during that Afghanistan pullout, and they couldn’t face the families despite being asked to be there.
That should be the story.
But nah. Desperate media makes it about Trump taking pictures with the family who asked him to take pictures.
This is why no one trusts the media.
So, to sum up, “Poor Trumpie”, “desperate media”, “don’t trust ‘the media’”, somehow Biden and Harris’s fault, and no mention of the rules of the cemetery or assaulting the employee.
Well, it can’t be Mr. “I-don’t-know-anything-about-any-bad-things-and-take-all-credit-for-all-good-things” Trump’s fault now, can it? He’s absolutely immune, infallible, perfect and if reality doesn’t agree, then we just rewrite reality until it fits. Easy.
if he’s allowed to take the white house again, they’ll just shoot people like this. “offiially”
deleted by creator
That she’s a woman makes it that much worse. Didn’t know that nugget before today. Bigots and sexists. All of them.
That she’s a woman makes it that much worse.
Why? An army professional were carrying out their duties, and as a result thereof got assaulted by representatives of the leading law and order candidate. The army professional chose not to press charges but still lives in fear of the law and order loving patriots affection for domestic terrorism.
I don’t see how the gender makes it worse.
While I see what you’re saying, it unfortunately does make it worse. As a woman in the military, she already has to put up with enough B.S. My wife retired from the navy over 10-years ago, and still works for the DOD. She still sees and puts up with the sexism and misogyny. For sure, it’s less than when she first joined back in the 90s, but it’s still enough to get under your skin. Add to that the genuine, and well-founded, fear this woman feels at the prospect of being a target for domestic terrorists her own country is too scared to call out for fear of appearing to be “politically slanted,” and it absolutely does make it worse.
I agree with you completely. But she wasnt military. She was an employee of ANC.
What’s the African National Congress got to do with this?
What your wife has been through is beyond my imagination. I’m sure she’s been through a lot of bullshit, for no other reason than being a woman. Her memories, and how she feels about it, is 100% valid. Normally that should go without saying, but in this thread I’m not sure that it does.
I refuse to consciously treat women differently than men. Treating women like fragile little fairy like beings, is doing them a disservice. That the soldier at Arlington was a woman is irrelevant to me, unless she was attacked because of her gender.
How the Trump staff got away with what they did is baffling to me. That they didn’t get their asses stomped can only mean that the soldier was alone and outnumbered. And that she has to live in fear now, that’s absurd, not implausible, but the situation is definitely absurd. Your country is rife with domestic terrorists and yet your government does nothing. Whether someone should get charged for attacking army personal should not be up to the individual. If you attack army personal carrying out their duties, then that should be met with swift and effective sanctions, not frigging threats of further terrorism.
If I start talking shit to you and push you down, that’s wrong. If go talk shit to your wife and push her down, that’s worse. You don’t attack women.
I thought that was a universally known thing. Well, unless you’re a republikkklown.
That’s sexism. It’s equally as unacceptable to use violence against a man as a woman.
Why would it make it worse.
You attack a man, that’s bad. You attack a woman, that’s bad.
Baing a man doesn’t justify you being hit.
Show me where I said being a man justifies you being hit?
You won’t, I didn’t say that. I said it’s wrong. I said it’s worse for a man to hit a women. Take your bullshit somewhere else.
Well, if hitting a woman is worse than hitting a man, then it must mean that hitting a man is not as bad.
So I can just hit men and say “at least I didn’t hit a woman”. That’s justifying hitting a man for just being a man.
Why don’t you mount those goalposts on a Bugatti, it’ll make it easier for you. Until then, you do you.
Original comment: hitting a man is as bad as hitting a woman.
Latest comment: proof by contradiction that hitting a woman is not worse than hitting a man if you’re not justifying hitting a man.
To me, “hitting a man is as bad as hitting a woman” and “hitting a woman is not worse than hitting a man” are equal statements. How is that moving the goalpost?
“Hitting a woman is worse than hitting a man” is just sexism.
No, you can hit a man and you’ll get hit back just as hard. You can hit a woman, and she’ll be knocked the fuck out.
Just because you don’t punch children in the face doesn’t mean its OK to punch men in the face. It just means one can defend themselves better and that you like to pick on those you see as weaker.
You attack a man, that’s bad. You attack a woman, that’s bad.
Women are routinely singled out for violence because they tend to be smaller and less intimidating.
The Groypers targeted her because she was a woman. JD Vance and his ilk don’t consider professional women legitimate. And quite a few of her male colleagues share that view.
So while picking a fight with a man invokes the angry of all his friends, Groypers feel confident they can single out a woman because her fellows have already left her isolated.
That’s what’s fucked about this situation.
You don’t attack women.
The Redditness is leaking hard when people can read the events in this story and still not understand the implicit misogyny in singling out women for physical abuse.
I don’t know how we’re ever going to reach any kind of class consciousness in our hateful, violent, vulgar society when a mob of Groypers baring down on a woman is just an acceptable consequence she should have seen coming.
If you come at me, you’ll deal with me. If you come at my wife, then good fucking luck, you’re on your own, I’m not saving you, she’s fucking fierce.
All jokes aside, if you treat people differently based on their gender, then you’re acting sexist. Just don’t go around attacking people, how fucking hard is that?
That’s the thing though, I wouldn’t go after your wife. I guess I was raised differently. I was raised with “you don’t hit women”. You come at me, I’m going to fight back. Your wife comes after me, I’m not going to hit her.
The Dementia DonOLD staffer must have felt really strong after pushing her. It’s just a shame he gets away with it. If he pushed her, I’m sure he’s beat the hell out of his wife and/or ex girlfriends.
Maybe you want gender inequality, but I don’t. The idea that you’re not supposed to defend yourself if a woman attacks you, is based on what? Your motivation is your upbringing, if I understand you correctly, but where is the idea from? The people who raised you must have gotten it from somewhere.
I’m going to go out on a limb and speculate that somewhere down the line, that idea stems from the “women are fragile and weak, and need protection”-story. Even if it doesn’t stem from this, then that’s how it can be perceived. Women are not necessarily weak, but treating women like they’re less capable than men is amplifying that image, in the minds of both genders. Which can end up with women actually believing the story themselves.
So even if you have all the best intentions, which I’m sure you have, you’re still doing women in general a disservice. Treat women like equals, and they’ll eventually believe in it.
Imagine being told that you probably couldn’t tie your own shoelaces because you’re a guy, and every time you put on your shoes, a woman would come running up and insist on tieing them for you. And if you somehow managed to get to tie them yourself, then every woman you met was second guessing you. It seems absurd, right? It’s kinda the same thing, except for tieing shoes it’s random things, that may or may not require physical strength.
The idea of not protecting women, and being sick of being cuddled, is not that new. I mean Gwen Stefani wrote a song about it in 96 https://genius.com/No-doubt-just-a-girl-lyrics
Pretty big stretch from pushing down a women to a woman tying my shoes. I’m talking about physical violence. I’m all for equality, but it’s a scientific fact that men are bigger and stronger (not all, I get it, but you also get it) than women. If you think it’s the exact same for you to go push a man down as it is to push a woman down, I’m sorry, I’m not going to agree with that statement. The same “rule” applies to beating a kid or an elderly person.
Judging by your name, you grew up in a different country where you must have a different opinion of women or your women are the same size and strength as the men. Every hear the phrase pick on someone your own size? Sort of relates.
I definitely didn’t grow up in North America. And the culture in which I live, gender equality may be more prevalent.
I’m not a stranger to the idiom of picking on someone your own size. Thing is, though: I don’t think anyone should be picking on anybody else, at all.
While I don’t disagree that there are physiological differences between men and women, jumping to the conclusion, that women can’t handle themselves, is just propagating the sexual stereotypes of our past generations, which has lead to women being considered weak and by extension thereof worth less than men.
Women are not weak by default, but keep telling a girl that she’s not able to do the same things as the boys, keep telling the girl to wear pink dresses and keep her hair long, keep telling her to play with dolls and let her bother’s matchbox cars and BB gun be. Keep telling her, that good girls don’t play wild games, and that little girl will start to believe you more than she believes in herself.
Through my job I’ve gotten know female carpenters, painters, electricians, machinists, mechanics, butchers, truck drivers, and smiths. All trades typically considered to be male trades, but these young women I’ve met, have been as motivated, as big assets for their employers, and as hard working, as their male colleagues.
Telling a woman that you won’t hit her, no matter what she does to you, is keeping her down, locked into that inane stereotypical gender role.
And if you don’t buy my shoelace analogy, then how about this: a guy tells you “oh no, I wouldn’t dream of hitting you, not under any circumstance. You’re too weak and defenseless, it wouldn’t be fair.” How would you like that? I’d bet you’d like that guy to fuck right off with his superior attitude.
MAGA has a special hate in it’s heart for women. They’re always treated as property.
Two words: mother issues. It’s a self perpetuating problem. Conservatives belittle their women, their women take it out on their kids. Their kids grow up warped. Their warped kids belittle women.
where meme?
The American legal system is the meme.
Washington D.C.
Meme doesn’t always mean “funny haha picture”
If there’s evidence of the crime,I don’t think they actually need the victim to press charges themselves?
They wanted to release the footage of them filming explicitly where they were asked not to film. Smh.
In truth assault is a crime against the state. A criminal charge, even if she doesn’t want to press charges they should have to face a judge and the state attorney (if they were civilians). Military it goes to their courts, which they are being cowards and letting it go.
The majority of decent Americans are not prone to violence but this crap is building up outrage among Democrats, Independents and conservative Republicans to a point where all hell is about to bust out.
This is what I’m afraid of. I just don’t see us all holding hands across the nation any time soon.
Anyway, we tried that once and failed.
Exactly. This was the “initiative” to which I was referring. We’re further from that than any other time in my life. I just keep wondering when the breaking point is going to be.
Damn… I can hear the Hands Across America song now…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMVMjdYVYcE&t=30s
It was a pretty silly idea overall. Nice intent, I guess, but seriously, who was supposed to be standing around in the middle of nowhere in New Mexico and Arizona?
They were even saying that at the time. No one is going to stand in the desert in Arizona at the end of spring.
My family didn’t participate. Not sure what my parents’ reason or reasons were.
My family did, I’m 100% sure it was my dads doing as it doesn’t seem like something mom would do.
I was little, i just remember driving to a nearby town and standing on the side of a road holding hands with someone for a few minutes and then leaving lol.
I would have been 9 years old at the time. If my parents made me hold hands with a stranger, I would have felt really uncomfortable.
I would’ve been 6; my parents probably sandwiched us kids between them. It was the 80s though, I might’ve been besties with a stranger if they said had an NES and Super Mario Brothers at home lol.
I don’t want to hold hands. I want to hold criminals accountable.
Doesn’t/ won’t matter if the Dems don’t go out and vote. Remember the bulkshit that was 2016. Complacency started it all.
That was definitely peak bulkshit.
Profoundly disappointed but also understanding. I just have to hope there are enough people in their path who are willing to throw down and get difficult.
God he is such a piece of garbage. Like I can usually dismiss his antics as selfish and stupid and just some moron that doesn’t think beyond his own needs and wants. But this is downright villainous. I hope he dies a horrible death and no one celebrates anything about him.
Can’t believe this would happen to a whistleblower in a country as free and independent as the United States of America.
Are we sure this isn’t just far left propaganda?
I think in today’s timeline you have to use the /s even for a ridiculous statement like this
Have you heard about that guy called Edward Snowden?
I was told he was a Russian Compromat who gave information to our nation’s enemies and I shouldn’t listen to anything he has to say.
If you’re going for dead pan sarcasm… It’s not working.
Definitely don’t read about what was leaked
And whatever you do, don’t visit the original https://wikileaks.org/ website
Snowdon’s documents aren’t on wikileaks, but, certainly don’t look at all the CIA tools they exposed in Vault 7.
