As a thinking experiment, let us consider that on the 1st of January of 2025 it is announced that an advance making possible growing any kind of animal tissue in laboratory conditions as been achieved and that it is possible to scale it in order to achieve industrial grade production level.
There is no limit on which animal tissues can be grown, so, any species is achieveable, only being needed a small cell sample from an animal to start production, and the cultivated tissues are safe for consumption.
There won’t be any perceiveable price change to the end consummer, as the growing is a complex and labour intensive process, requiring specialized equipments and personnel.
Would you change to this new diet option?
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Impossible burgers are extremely unhealthy, full of processed flours and additives. It’s best to not eat any “meat” at all, and instead eat whole vegan foods, than eat these things. Lab grown meat, if it’s like real meat, is much more desirable health-wise.
Lab grown beef isn’t going to be healthier than vegan fake meats, you can’t make saturated fat be good for you even if it’s from a lab.
This fear mongering about veg replacement meats is mostly manufactured and not a mainstream view among dietitians.
Saturated fat is not evil, this is an old idea that has been debunked by latest research.
Mixed research has come out, if it was debunked it wouldn’t be nearly so mixed. Regardless, the idea that plant based food is unhealthy because it uses ‘processed flours’ (literally all flours are processed?) is a fringe view.
Processed food is bad, this is common knowledge. Saturated fat is nothing compared to it. These fake burgers are ultra processed in order to feel like meat. Just do a search about processed foods on the guardian and nytimes in the last year. A LOT of new research has come out about it.
Yeah, so does smoking tobacco ! I assure you it has been debunked by Marlboro ! Smoking is healthy !
There’s tons of plant based proteins already. Having already added more vegan meals to my diet I think this would just be another option for me and one more for novelty than anything else
Yeah, that. My preferences go: chicken > steak > pork > beans == lentils == hamburger > impossible meat > lab-grown meat > mechanically separated meat > starvation > insect meat
If also taking into account environmental concerns, test tube protein sinks further while beans and lentils rise to the top.
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I absolutely don’t believe you’d refuse a worm meal burger over starvation. You say that because you’re not starving.
Some people just need to not be told what it is and have it pepared to resemble something they’re familiar with. My family wouldn’t try calamari, but when I took them to a place that had it looking like noodles on a buffet, they tried it and liked it.
edit: Also, lots of people actually like anchovies and eat them on Caesar salad and in sauces without realizing.
I mean, I want people to understand what they are eating more, not less, as well as the consequences of producing it. So I’m not a fan of tricking people.
I wonder how much of people’s disgust over certain foods is social rather than any ingrained revulsion, and if normalization will therefore make it a non-issue for the vast majorities.
Of course. Same reason why most people don’t eat dog but eat pig. There’s no other reason other than cultural and emotional.
edit: Also, lots of people actually like anchovies and eat them on Caesar salad and in sauces without realizing.
For what it’s worth, I like some foods in certain forms but not others, such as pureed but not whole. A plain anchovy (yum!) is far more powerful, bone-filled and salty than in sauces.
Then there are foods where I only like certain varieties, or they’re very different when you have them in different regions, so someone can think they don’t like a food but in reality they’ve only experienced a crappy version of it so far.
First insect meat I ever ate was some kind of BBQ tarantula in Cambodia. It was amazing. I don’t shy away from insect meat at all now. I’ve even been to a Michelin Star restaurant that has insect based dishes. It’s a cultural aversion, I get it, but the right insects prepared the right ways are great
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Bugeaters.
Definitely. I see no downsides.
I don’t eat very much meat as it is. But if I could drastically reduce the suffering inflicted when I do I would not hesitate.
Reminder that the meat you buy at the grocery store is as also as human modified as it gets and NOTHING like the wild game that our ancestors ate or even the farm animals from 100 years ago. The animal itself is probably GMO, spends its entire life in a steel cage standing in its own shit and piss and is given specialized processed feed to optimize how much meat it produces (or just has a tube down its throat so we don’t have to worry about it eating fast enough). Not to mention tons of antibiotics that are given to the animal just to ensure it survives the hell we put them through which definitely makes it into the meat and therefore into you as well. And they’re slaughtered and butchered by underpaid overworked factory workers who have to balance fulfilling brutal quotas with carefully extracting the meat and not getting it contaminated with shit from the animal’s guts or the myriad other disgusting things around the meat that you wouldn’t want to eat (you can guess how well that usually goes).
Animal cells (without the animal itself and also no central nervous system to experience suffering) growing in a clean, well controlled lab in tanks of sterile cell media doesn’t sound so bad in comparison.
Additional reminder that nearly all of the worst infectious diseases in history have been caused partially or completely by animal agriculture: the plague, spanish flu, smallpox, whooping cough, swine flu, bird flu, covid, etc. So if you’re worried about the long term health implications of lab grown meat, you should be ten times more worried about long term the health implications of regular meat, to the point where you should be worried even if you don’t eat meat.
As long at it wasn’t even more destructive than normal cultivation (very much tbd), absolutely.
I had no qualms about switching to Beyond Meat either.
If we could figure out how to make a decent ribeye out of peas and seed oils, I’d prefer that to lab-grown too.
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There are so many wrong things on that sentence.
there’s a not so small possibility that development of meat growing tech and patent expression will give us a niche market of not-available-before-for-ethical-reasons meats, like white rhinoceros burgers, cat and dog steaks, human fillets.
I don’t really care about lab grown meat. Haven’t eaten meat for years, don’t really miss it that much since the plant based alternatives have gotten so good.
Give me lab grown dairy.
100%
I did hear, though I can’t remember where, that someone had successfully gotten yeast to produce the protein in milk that is required for cheese.
I’m too lazy today to search for the article on it…
I’ll move to it in a second. Protein with no need to slaughter animals would be so fantastic for the animals, the earth, and people.
Impossible Burgers already exist and are fucking delicious.
But, sure, if I can have pastrami or corned beef again without requiring a cow experience a life full of torment, emit a cow’s lifetime of methane, or have any of that happen where a forest should instead have been left untouched, I’d try it!
I had some impossible patty from restaurants and it’s actually not bad and fairly close to meat flavor.
The beyond stuff is a hard pass.
once it’s affordable, yeah almost immediately i reckon. i already go for plant based meats whenever i can find them for a reasonable price!
protein isn’t the issue, it’s all the bio-available vitamins and healthy fats that have already been converted.
if it’s a 1 for 1 replacement, depending on how we deal with the massive and now useless animal populations, I would totally switch.
What do you think supplements are for?
corporate profits.
Exactly.
Sup. No need to keep doing it the old way at that point.
Hell, you could have boneless meat, so it’s even better.
But the bones are how you make banging soups…
It’s OK you can make fake bones too
Fuck it, I’m in!
I eat tacos bell
its 3am and i laughed my ass off. why?
Yes, absolutely. No risk of virus or bacteria, or worse…
Grown to the size you want…
Of the shape and type you want…
No fat (maybe?)…
What’s not to like.
What kinda idiot would want no fat?
The kind that wants realllllly consistent beef jerky.
Constipation-jerky
I’d say price is definitely a factor. I already pass over good cuts of meat for that reason. Also taste/texture/overall experience. If it checs those boxes, and it has been on the market long enough to be confident I won’t get instant cancer, then 100%! A little marbled fat makes it better though.
Yeah, definitely some fat is needed…
But I can see hordes of healthy people looking for fatless meat, as they already do I the supermarkets.
If it was healthy, affordable, and tasty, then yes.
If it isn’t all three, then Veganism can continue to go fuck itself.
You are not limited to meat and lab-created meat, you know? Vegetarians can tell you to eat eggs and cheese if you want. Vegans will tell you that there are large varieties of plant-based proteins, amongst: lentils, soy, whole cereals, even green vegetables. While these tend to not be as complete nor bio-available as meat or eggs, if you combine them you can have various, delicious and protein-rich meals. I am personally working out a lot and my mostly vegan diet (some eggs and cheese from time to time) is enough for my protein needs.
I mean, if your goal is to keep the meat experience, then yeah, I get your point. But other than that…
I mean, if your goal is to keep the meat experience, then yeah, I get your point.
I think that was indeed very obviously the point. The point of both the comment you were replying to and this lab grown meat idea as a whole.
I’m not really good with obvious subtexts, I’m sorry ^^
Because Veganism is yet another new age fad diet based in pseudoscience and I will have no part in it. It’s just Einstein Pain Wave nonsense.
People showing empathy towards animals and their living condition isn’t exactly what I would label pseudoscience. It has nothing to do with science to begin with
Yes, but you can’t actually survive on a Vegan diet.
You’re too funny
Cutting down on eating meat is as good as going vegan
Villianising anyone and everyone who even so much as touches a chicken breast is a damn blunder and totally puts me off against the community
Then again, most vegans that are decent wouldn’t be pushy and tell people they’re vegan
Why would I ever cut down on meat though? It’s filling, delicious, and the reason why humans evolved intelligence in the first place.
Because humans found similar delicious alternatives?
I mean, it’s your choice and Europe and America heavily depend on a meat based diet with the exception of bread
Impossible! eats a handful of popcorn and some curly fries
No joke that is what I had for dinner tonight, I’m trying to cutback on finances.
It’s not a flex or anything, I just find it ironic that I’m eating corn and potatoes for dinner the same day I lecture people on the internet about Veganism being bad, and I need someone to note the melancholy I’m experiencing.
Veganism is already healthy, affordable, and tasty. Ever heard of a bean? And only doing the ethical thing when it is also the easiest thing to do is just extreme egotism. I’m not saying anyone has to be a saint, but they should at least put more consideration into their actions than “How does this affect me personally?”
