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She probably gets treated more respectfully by her OnlyFans viewers than her co-workers in her PhD program.
Have you never seen the insanity that is reddit’s porn section?
And thats how “respectful” they act when they’re Not paying for it.
Some of the comments you see on posts of young women announcing they’re “barely legal” and in the comments you’ve got >45 year old men saying what they’ll do.
It’s just so creepy and unsettling.
Have you ever talked with a woman about her experience working in STEM academia?
45 year old men making gross propositions is not at all unusual. And often those are the people deciding whether you have a professional future.
Have you ever talked with a woman about her experience working in STEM academia?
I can’t say that I have and my comment was in no way meant to that it doesn’t happen to them.
That’s what we invented cancel-culture for, isn’t it?
Just STEM in general. My wife almost left her engineering program because harassment came from the male students as well as the male professors. The handful of women in my engineering school all hung out together and moved as one. Strength in numbers and all that. It was really shit for them. Dudes would just yell “omg girls here???” anytime they walked into like any class. Some profs too.
gonewild and associate subs have been showing lots lots of admiration and body positivity for amateur posters.
However, eventually all those subs turned into an onlyfans advertising platform, so maybe then the mood got spoiled.
Previously it was unpaid art for unpaid audience, and was almost unbelievably wholesome.
Capitalism doing the thing.
To me seems like individual humans decided that they want something in return for their nudity. Nobody forced them into that decision.
Try going to an “AI” conference as a woman sometime.
Grift and misogyny go hand-in-hand.
Thats because everyone at an AI conference is going to be managment or sales.
E.G. Salesforce has Two conferences every year. The dev one and the sales one. The dev one deals with legitimate development of Salesforce and new tooling. The sales one pushes AI on the unwitting.
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I personally never understood dropping out when something like this happeneds. Like bro now you got the money to have the degree and not worry about paying it off. Might as well have it just to have it
A science PhD is fucking grueling.
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Google is really shady. So whenever we use the share button on YouTube, they add a code to the end of the link that offers no benefit to us, but allows Google to tie your machine as source who shared the link that others click on. When you look at the link that you posted, you’ll see the letters SI in it and after that, you see the tracker.
To work around this, on desktop, you can copy the link from the address bar, which won’t include the code. Also, Firefox has a feature to copy links without trackers in them, because the practice is pervasive. On mobile, I would recommend just backspacing the junk in hopes of protecting your privacy a tiny bit.
I see. I didn’t realize that I had sent a link with trackers. Thanks for pointing it out!
As someone who didnt even pass their first year and dropped out, mind explaining whats involved in a PHD and why science ones are so grueling?
It’s basically just working for 6 years for not much pay while your friends who got jobs right out of undergrad are making at 3-5x as much.
Not only that, but all the political game involved in the academia is mental.
And the work-life balance is atrocious.
When I started, my advisor told me to not think of myself as an employee, but as a “researcher”. IE I don’t get to clock out, my life revolved around learning/reseaching
But having the PHD makes up for it after right?
Generally no if we consider it from a financial perspective. Whether or not it’s worth it on an emotional level is very individual
I work in engineering with a masters, and I make more than people with only a bachelors. However, even with the masters pay bump I am unlikely to ever make enough extra money to make up for the financial losses I incurred in getting the graduate degree. It’s only “worth it” financially if you work full time and have your company pay for the degree.
PHDs make about the same amount of money and get about the same positions as someone with an only Masters. You get a PHD because you love studying and research enough to basically give up half of a decade of your life.
I considered getting a PHD until I realized that >50% of the PHD students and graduates I spoke to described it as, “6 years of my life I’ll never get back”.
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It really depends on the field. In some areas PhDs make less than bachelors.
That’s what they say but I haven’t finished mine yet so I can only hope
Me earlier in the thread
In some ways I understand it though. I’m sure the pecking order and bragging rights of being one of the only fans people that makes enough money to classify yourself in like the top 5% of income earners in America is probably more thrilling and exciting than having a PhD.
Plus, if she’s going for her PhD she probably already has her master’s degree so it’s not like she gave up academia entirely without getting anything from it.
That being said, I still agree with you. If you were close enough to be in the program you might as well just finish it off. What’s it going to do, stop you from posting your photos on only fans?
Uhh…do you people know anybody who’s been through a phd program? How would you rate their happiness from 1 to 10 while they were mid-phd program?
If that crap isn’t going to deliver them the world, it’s gonna be a reeeeeal hard sell to get em to put up with it.
This. I dropped out of my computer science PhD to start at the bottom of the industry in my early thirties.
If you don’t have a clear love of academia, a PhD is a clearly unrewarding slog.
And if you can earn a million each year as an alternative, why wouldn’t you go for it? I love science, but we live in a real world, not in a dream, and this real world decided that science wouldn’t be rewarding.
Academia is misogynist enough without an OF account. She’s leaving a shitty job not just a low paying job.
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Yeah, the money those few lucky ones make is chicken shit compared to what the platform owner makes.
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99%1% of performers on onlyfans for several years (according to onlyfans’ metrics, which actually are surprisingly accurate since it involves reporting financial information). At the peak she was making about $150/month. It really drove home that the number of people who actually make any substantial amount of money on any platform like this is shockingly low.You probably meant top 1%.
Sigh… No, I actually meant to write 99th percentile. Which is also wrong, and is entirely symptomatic of me being ‘an idiot’. (Ty for pointing this out)
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The owner is a billionaire, so literally 1000x as much as her.
Especially since it isn’t true.
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This is actually sad to see.
“An advocate of women in science until recently” makes you think what really are their priorities.
academia is toxic for everyone, but especially for women, and especially in STEM
The stories my female doctor friend tells me about treatment from male colleagues or female superiors is freaking rage-inducing. But 99% of the time she can’t do shit about it because she’ll be ostracized or risk her job, or in the past risk residency or placements. It suuuucks.
6 downvotes from people going “not from me, I treat bitches nicely”.
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That one impotent downvote you’ve gotten really underscores your point…
I looked more into that.
She did an interview in which she said that she did not like the academia Life but wants to focus on her social media career, which includes of, but also a YouTube channel where she published science related videos
So still doing science stuff, but not pursuing a PhD anymore.
??? everyone’s priority is money. obviously. how is this a shock?
Why do people become teachers in the US? Certainly isn’t “for the money”.
Most of the time, folks who become teachers don’t have a million dollar career as an alternative.
I’m just giving a basic example of people being motivated outside of money. There are other lines of work that are easier or pay better or both.
Money makes things possible, people will do things they love for the passion of it, but without enough money it isn’t feasible. It’s capitalism, folks
Have you never heard of scientists or artists? Lots of people prioritize passion over money.
I know many many artists, and none of them would resist an offer to do what they’re passionate about in exchange for lots of money. Or to do what they’re not very passionate about in exchange for lots of money. Or even something they downright hate doing, in exchange for lots of money. Having lots of money means you can invest in those things you are passionate about.
And yet, lots of people choose not to do what they hate for money. Obviously, if you can get paid well for doing what you love is a win-win, but the point of my argument is that a lot of people don’t really care about money, beyond having enough to get by.
that’s crazy. Have yet to see this in reality.
Hi. Plenty of people go for “enough to pay the bills (but contributing to society/enjoyable)” over “the most I could make,” myself included
I hope my daughter gets to look up to women established in STEM fields.
Seems like a busted world where there’s more money in sex work than academia.
It’s just one woman. She doesn’t represent whatever “they” you are refering to because there are a lot more women who don’t take this path.
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If you’ve got it, flaunt it.
I hope she manages to set up an irrevocable trust that guarantees steady income for the rest of her life so someday she can quit sex work and just pursue art or something if she wants
Hell, maybe it’ll turn out that sex work is her art and that is ok too
Good for her but I can’t help but feel envious that paths and choices like this are basically exclusively only available to the opposite sex
you could argue that men have similar exclusive, lucrative paths that use their strength/athleticism and are also probably statistically similar rates of exclusivity within their sex. Like, not everyone will be a professional footballer just like not every onlyfans model makes livable income.
Not to mention, it’s definitely possible for men to have successful careers in sex work. I expect there are far fewer successful men in sex work, and they probably need to be ok with having a mostly male clientele. But it’s still possible.
The mean earnings for OF is $150/month. Meaning it’s likely there’s a vast majority of people earning $50-100/month, and a vast minority earning $100k/month.
With props, camera, lighting, editing “costuming” etc, you probably lose money doing it.
Blame that on men being the only people willing to pay for it.
That said there’s plenty of gay men out there willing to buy pictures of your ding dong if it’s photogenic enough.
But my Puritan beliefs are more important than her well being!!!
/s
Sex work is performance art.
I googled this story to, uh, fact check it, and found this article saying that her move to OF is fake news. Except, upon closer examination, it seems the article is AI slop and completely made up. How ironic.
Good for her! I’m sure it’s not easy to achieve that kind of success on OnlyFans, so clearly she made some smart moves to get where she is.
/s?
No, no sarcasm. The vast majority of OnlyFans creators barely make any money. This woman did something smart to achieve success.
I guess it depends on how easy you can be discovered. It’s easy to take off your clothes and get people to pay you to do it, but if you’re in a sea of 1000s of women doing the same thing are you seen?
Same thing with being a YouTuber. Anyone can create a channel. It’s hard to make that channel worth something.
I’m sure “working hard” is way more important than being attractive on a platform where people pay to watch attractive women naked. Oh, wait…
Being attractive is a prerequisite, but not enough. There’s a lot of attractive women, not all of them make 1 mio. on OF.
Being successful anywhere requires hard work. You can be born into money, but you’ll have to work a lot to be a success yourself, not just a nobody with a lot of money coming from those that were successful. You can be born attractive (and that’s subjective anyway, people have a lot of different tastes and kinks) and without hard work, it’ll not be worth anything.
No idea why you are being so patronizing and dismissive. Either you are bitter and lashing out, or you need a little bit more perspective and general empathy, as in capability to see the world not only from your personal point of view, and the capability to process that, too.
This reads like a typical white knight comment one might find on reddit. Lemmy is getting more and more disappointing every day.
If you really believe that a person that makes 1M on OF “deserves” that money and did “hard work” then I don’t really think there’s anything we can discuss.
If you really believe that a person that makes 1M on OF “deserves” that money and did “hard work” then I don’t really think there’s anything we can discuss.
Someone sounds a little jelly. Seriously though, there are all kinds of people making way more money than that without doing a damn thing to justify a penny of it. The Internet allows niche means of making money simply because you can “sell” your products to thousands or even millions of people–in this case directly from the comfort of her home. There are plenty of other schemes out there that can be similarly lucrative if you’re good at what they want you to do.
Clearly this woman is quite smart to be in that field in the first place, why wouldn’t she take the more lucrative route? Wouldn’t you?
Not jealous at all, just disappointed I guess. I just can’t congratulate a person that had the skill/luck/whatever to get 1M with a minimum effort and they then decide to drop out of a job that could actually contribute something to society to do the banal and functionally useless job full time. It’s incredibly wasteful.
Also no, I wouldn’t go for the “lucrative” route if I already have more than enough money.
Finally, I have several friends that are phd students and you don’t have to be super smart to do that. You do need dedication though. But the same can be said for quite a few lines of work.
For someone who doesn’t have anything to discuss, you do have an awful lot to say and keep repeating. Suit yourself.
I do have something to discuss. If you prefer to ignore my point then what can I say. Suit yourself.
OnlyFans is suspicious af considering it’s not blocked in US states with porn bans. Some weird small group of people did a lot of hard work to effectively create a monopoly over porn in some U.S. states, users and creators should beware. I wouldn’t be surprised if some of these onlyfans contents are marketing pieces.
It’s not suspicious really. They apparently don’t operate in Florida due to those ID laws. It’s more so just that the states have targeted PornHub specifically for their bans to start with and since PH is owned by a conglomerate of sites similar to them, it’s affected many of those sites. Smaller sites remain unaffected often times.
I watched the video and it is very convincing and honestly true on many levels. If you can earn much better money from being your own boss then why would you want to spend time with those assholes at work for less?
I am doing it myself just not as successful and not porn because I like privacy.
There is something strange about her and this whole thing though. I can’t help to think it’s all some kind of stunt or AI person idk. Something is uncanny. Maybe it is just the autism that radiates from her that throws me off and looks like AI.
We live in the times when it is increasingly hard to tell what is real. And also honestly if she was compsci phd and machine learning expert at this level 1 million is nothing vs what potentially she could make right now with that background and shrewd. There’s so much money in this right now, you just don’t drop to do porn when we have second internet revolution for better or worse. Something doesn’t add up.
I suspect it’s AI generated too. Look at her right shoulder after around the 30 second mark: https://youtube.com/shorts/Cks_9h9Nx_Q, it’s all jittery. Quite a cunning plan if that is the case though; carefully crafting a PhD persona and doing instructional videos for a year so men slowly fall in love, and then go full-bore on explicit content.
I think it may be the case of AI augmentation techniques. I do not think the whole person is artificial outright. The older the video the more clear it should be.
What can we tell is 100% real is onlyfans money and someone actually being in front of the camera.
Kinda makes you want to try to pull off something like this doesn’t it? Whether it is the case or not it really looks like an exciting way to make some money on the side.
At least before such things become super common
Augmentation does make more sense indeed.
Kinda makes you want to try to pull off something like this doesn’t it?
With OnlyFans I don’t think I’ve a problem, yet. But lying about one’s identity they’re selling I do consider as immoral, so no.
I do not have such problems 😂 but I appreciate generally that there are way more people who are concerned with such things. Makes society possible probably. Let’s hope it never changes.
However any perceived issues with lying about identity cannot be raised in the context of online porn. The lie is the key to the entertainment. End result is what matters with onlyfans. There is no deception where there wasn’t any truth from the beginning. Porn is deception. When someone treats it as real they become disordered and not aligned to the real world.
Not to mention the family friendly YouTubers being very distant from the definition of “real”. You didn’t think they all present their real selves in front of the camera? Showbiz is all smoke and mirrors. There was never any real identity there.
However yes this is probably the most wrong account you would want to have parasocial relationship with. Not that there are any right.
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If I had to guess, I’d say her OF gig is far from a full time job. So she still has time to spare to work on what she enjoys, and the capital to start an actual business down the road.
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I hope she’s saving for retirement. How does she expect to make money when she gets older and the OnlyFans crowd no longer wants to masturbate to her videos?
Nobody sees a sports athlete get a million dollar contract and says “I hope this guy is saving for retirement. How does he expect to make money when he can’t pitch fastballs at 100 mph?” Why does this comment only happen to women being models?
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I have a theory about that that I’ll now subject lemmy to! Professional sportsers are often heavily managed from a very young age (practice schedules, diet monitoring, weightlifting regime, traveling). Even in college they often have to sign up for special versions of classes to fit with their schedules (on top of the diet/exercise/practice/travel) making fewer of their own day to day decisions than their peers. When they leave the sport they don’t have all these other people dictating their lives anymore but they haven’t had enough experience living on their own or room to make certain mistakes they would have learned from if they’d been in charge of more of their time and decisions.
I’ve actually found that college athletes (the ones I get to teach) are much better prepared (for “adulting”) than their peers at graduation. They have much better time management skills and tend to manage and navigate group dynamics better. I think some of what you are saying heavily depends on the sport or perhaps athletic level. I’m not teaching anyone near going pro, they just like their sport and enjoyed the scholarship.
Yeah, that’s cause there is a big difference between someone who is going to college and also playing sports vs someone at college to play sports.
If your a student athlete that is never going pro, then you need good time management, keep up grades, etc. If your someone going pro things are a lot different.
From what I’ve heard, you’re right. While athletes are pulling in money for the people upstairs, people take care of them. Once they retire, they become worthless to management/ownership, so they’re thrown to the wolves. With no money management skills of their own, a lot of them go broke.
Yeah recently heard a sports announcer saying that it was amazing that a 31-year-old was playing at the level that they were.
I was like, bro, he’s 31. What the fuck.
I’m going to make a generalization and say that someone in a PhD program (any PhD program) is more practical and better at handling financial planning than 95% of all professional athletes.
I guess I’m weird, then, because I think that - especially regarding Olympic athletes in sports that don’t have much of a following.
i just repeated what others below said better
a ton of famous athletes go broke after retiring because they are retired at like 35 or 40 with an unsustainable lifestyle. So many bad car dealerships and bad restruarants are retired pro athletes trying to maintain a lifestyle that they should have avoided while destroying their body for cash.
Lol having a PhD doesn’t get you a pension. She’ll make more from OF than she’d ever make by staying in academia.
So much this. PhD just means you are earning significantly less than your peers for at least six years, and then if you stay in academia, it’s less your whole life. There are some nice perks though, but for purely monetary reasons, you do not go for a PhD.
If she’s not a complete idiot, she probably already has more retirement savings than the average gen-xer. Assuming the pyramid scheme that is our stock market keeps growing, she might have already saved all she needs to. If the bubble collapses, she will just be living in a mad max apocalypse with the rest of us.
She can always go back to STEM later. OnlyFans is not necessarily the end of a career.
I hope that’s what she does. She was intelligent and hardworking enough to get into the program in the first place, so that’s good.
She didn’t stop being intelligent when she started doing only fans.
Of course she didn’t.
That depends on whether or not people find her only fans.
You say that like she was going to make a fortune in academia.
She’s dropped out of a doctorate which means she likely already has more qualifications than you and I combined.
There’s a difference between making a fortune and just having a steady pay check.
The issue is when she is old and used up the income dries up completely.
So whatever “fortune” she makes from this better carry her for the rest of her life because that tap WILL dry out.
Or, you know she could get another job and build a retirement fund through that.
I guess but who is going to hire someone that’s been out of work for years?
Trying to explain to some hiring manager that you took several years off to show your genitals online is a pretty bad place to be.
when she is old and used up
Downvoted for blatant misogyny
obviously like any sporting personality who gets too old for sport you coach the next generation of only fans contenders, and manage their social media presence, marketing etc. all for a small % of their takings.
Bro what
OnlyFans has a reputation for people exploiting their looks. OnlyFans users have a reputation for judging people based on their looks. As you may have noticed, people tend to be judged as less attractive as they get older.
I’m not endorsing that system, I’m just evaluating it based on how people act.
So does the NFL. Are you making sure NFL players are saving for retirement, too?
If one posted here, I sure would! It’s a shame when people who have usually been exploited most of their lives are allowed to go bankrupt.
You think a woman choosing to enter sex work is being exploited? OF and the NFL can be exploitative platforms, but because they are corporations, not because someone on the internet forgot to save the people taking part in those enterprises
Actually, I was talking about athletes who are fed lies, sometimes since high school. Sorry I didn’t specify.
TBH, I don’t blame her in the least. It’s hard enough for men. I can’t imagine what it must be like for women to endure misogyny on top of what men go through in STEM.
just checked out her channel. she links to her onlyfans in the about section and her most recent video is titled: “PhD dropout to onlyfans model.” your linked article claims she used the rumor to her advantage, so maybe its just that? but cant confirm since the vid is 18+ on youtube and i dont have an account anymore.
The fake news is fake news apparently. She has a video on her YouTube where she describes the whole thing and it seems true. However, I don’t know what sort of content she does on OnlyFans. She does show the max amount of cleavage possible on YouTube, but I’m not sure if she shows more than that on any other platform. Everything I could find was actual science content, except she is a very attractive lady wearing revealing clothes while telling the story. But I know OnlyFans also does chats for example where pictures don’t need to be exchanged at all, people will pay just to talk to an attractive person. She might also do feet pics, which can be highly valuable to some people.
So it’s implied she sorta dropped out of school to do porn. But it’s nothing like that, she has a couple of degrees already, had a nice side project going with her content creation on multiple platforms including YouTube and didn’t see a future for herself with the path she was on. So she switched to doing content creation fulltime.
