Like:
People should be allowed to exist
Social programs aren’t communism
The system isn’t working for the people
Edit:
I’ve changed my mind on this.
Let the DNC go full MAGA and when they lose, because they will lose, they get the heat and we can eject them forever. At least sit them in a corner.
Progressives, you fight if you want but I don’t believe the elections will be fair so it’s a win win for you.
Jesus Christ, is this real?
Big cities have problems, but they are still far better off than small town rural America. There isn’t some specific failure happening in large cities, you’re seeing the broad inevitable enshittification of Capitalism as a system.
Democrats must be some serious masochists, they would actually rather take the blame thenselves than admit capitalism is wrong.
DNC: we tried bootlicking billionaires and it didn’t work, what if we double down on bootlicking billionaires even harder.
It’s also reported here. This fits with the reports of complaining that Democratic Congresspeople have been doing about the progressive wing of the party wanting them to fight back against DOGE. They and party leadership may well be aiming to not just talk like it, but fully become the new Republican party, in hopes of having a stampede of “moderate” Republicans who aren’t happy with Trump come their way.
Also, big donors are angry at them, so I guess they’re trying to win those donors back.
It’s always about the dollars, not about the votes
Don’t forget: dollars are votes.
The…dominance of small-dollar donors? I wish.
If the small donors are dominating… Why would you abandon them?
Because they’re not giving the bribes that the big donors give. Politicians expect a high paying effortless lobbying job as reward for selling out their country.
And how could small-dollar donors not represent the preferences of the broader electorate?
I suppose they count electorate in dollars, not people? Maybe they mean to say “broader capital interests”?
That’s what I keep trying to figure out
Fuck, if that were true we’d have just gotten done with 8 years of President Sanders 😥
Do they think that Kamala lost because she was too far left?
As someone else noted, the right said that, because yeah, they’re going to say that. Here in about two years, they’re going to be saying Hitler and the Confederacy lost their wars because they were too woke. BUT WAIT there’s more! As I understand it, when they gutted the Biden campaign to make it the Kamalampaign, they foisted a bunch of the high-level HRC campaign staff on her, which, if you look at it, explains why so much of the Kamalampaign looks and smells exactly like the Hillary campaign. Of course, when these doofuses lost again, rather than showing a smidge of self-awareness, they promptly gave interviews saying that it’s clearly because they were too far left (socially, specifically, though I wouldn’t be at all shocked to hear that they meant it economically too).
They already say Hitler was a socialist.
Hitler had welfare and (tried) to spare a jewish friend. That makes him a commie!
The right had tried to paint it that way. Apparently their propaganda worked quite well…
She lost because the US is mostly misogynistic and racist. 2020 Biden voters who didn’t vote for Harris in 2024 mostly gave as their reason something that could be summarized “That’s too much power to give to a woman”. Harris being a woman was a greater impediment to her win than her being a person of color.
When google searches for “is Biden still running” spike on election day, it’s kinda hard to swallow “racist and misogynist” as the reason.
Maybe the electorate really is, but I think we should wait for an election where they don’t run a shambling corpse for the first half, belatedly realize that mistake only when it’s completely undeniable to anyone vaguely paying attention, and forcefully swap him out for the VP that tells union reps to fuck off and goes on television to say “I won’t do anything different from the shambling corpse”
2020 biden voters didn’t expect years of genocide from these wackos.
Unhinged comment is unhinged
The “far left” has a disproportionate influence on policy and messaging?
What a joke.
They’re going to use this defeat to blame progressives and Walz (who consistently had the highest favorability of anyone on either side of the race) instead of their conservative cop Kamala.
move away from the dominance of small-dollar donors
“Only accept money from rich people.”
Why not? They’re easier to please! Agenda: change nothing.
They have a proven track record already!
And at the same time “get out of elite circles”
Democrats are fucking twisted.
This is just the other half of the one party state
Looks like it to me.
Moderates have done nothing but sell their America out for a seat at an empty table. How could anything good come from people who are currently in charge of the shit show called the DNC?
Moderates have done a thousand times more good for America than progressives.
Last progressive president was who, maybe JFK, and he didn’t even finish a full term.
Moderates didn’t stop trump.
Moderates didn’t protect abortion.
Moderates didn’t stop bibi from bombing the shit out of Palestine.
Moderates didn’t secure the supreme court.
Moderates didn’t make trump regret jan 6th.
Moderates didn’t prevent what’s happening to Ukraine right now.
Moderates didn’t make net neutrality into law.
Moderates didn’t legalize weed.
Moderates didn’t think America could handle a primary.
Moderates didn’t think primaries should be fair.
The first two and last one moderates definitely tried but no one but moderates wanted to vote for Clinton so the conservatives got a majority in the SCOTUS and Trump got voted in the first time.
As for stopping Israel, no one in the world including the progressives have done anything meaningful there.
I’m just saying if moderates are the solution, and we’ve been leaning on moderates since 2016, how is the framework of our government falling apart?
Last election people knew they had a choice between Donald Trump and status quo and eighty million people decided they didn’t give a fuck what happened.
I’d say that is a pretty good reason why the government is falling apart.
Moderates were at the helm my dude. They marched out all their best friends. Dick Cheney. Liz Cheney. Mike Pence.
Biden is poster boy moderate. He even brought us famous legislation like:
Student loan debt being unforgiveable
War on drug shit to save us from the “super criminals”
I’m not saying moderates aren’t an important part of the GOP. Honestly they are sometime easier to be around. I just think they will appear pompous against a trump who is brilliantly an asshole and get creamed.
So we agree that voters do not want status quo? Because that’s what moderates were offering.
Last progressive president was who, maybe JFK, and he didn’t even finish a full term.
Yeah, I know. He really just quit half way through.
Oh, wait. He was ASSASSINATED.
Just because you’re right it doesn’t make me wrong.
The blue MAGA are here on Lemmy and I ran into couple of them. They keep shouting to the rooftops that the Democratic party did nothing wrong and berate Trump voters as stupid and ignorant. But they are tone deaf when you point out that the Democratic party is not willing to run on the platform on Medicare-for-all, build more social housing and increase federal minimum wage (and ditch Israel), which made the party unappealing and lose consistently. Basically, blue MAGA don’t want to go left, because even if they are socially progressive on issues, they benefit from wealth inequality because they themselves are affluent in spite of being socially progressive.
Edit: yep, the blue MAGA came out of the woodwork. They think Medicare for all, affordable housing, and increasing minimum wage are red fascism.
“26 replies” but I cant see any of them because I have those kinds of idiots blocked
I see that you have more experience of them than I do.
Turns out that the prominent posters, pugje$u$, is one of the blue MAGA.
But they are tone deaf when you point out that the Democratic party is not willing to run on the platform on Medicare-for-all, build more social housing and increase federal minimum wage (and ditch Israel), which made the party unappealing and lose consistently.
Oh cool, those are winning issues in the Dem primaries, right?
So you are indeed one of those.
It is as if Bernie, a more popular candidate, wasn’t deliberately sidelined. It is as if Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, another popular politician, wasn’t selected to head the Oversight committee and chose instead a geriatric, monied politician. It is
And finally, ask yourself, is not running on those popular platforms gave Democrats the win in elections? Or are you going to call people dumb? Who is really the dumb one for losing against annoying orange?
So you are indeed one of those.
“BlueMAGA is when you look at a fascist-voting electorate and don’t see The Indomitable Rise Of The Proletariat™ in a fascist electoral victory”
It is as if Bernie, a more popular candidate, wasn’t deliberately sidelined.
More popular as measured by…?
It is as if Alexandria Ocasio Cortez, another popular politician, wasn’t selected to head the Oversight committee and chose instead a geriatric, monied politician.
That has nothing to do with Dem primaries or the electorate, man.
And finally, ask yourself, is not running on those popular platforms gave Democrats the win in elections?
No. If it was, why would Bernie not have won the Dem primaries? If these positions were so overwhelmingly popular when expressed by politicians and not as abstracts, why would Bernie, an undeniably charismatic, fucking spotless politician with years of experience and a sharp wit, lose to Clinton, and then Biden?
Or are you going to call people dumb? Who is really the dumb one for losing against annoying orange?
I didn’t realize intelligence was measured in votes. I guess I have to concede that your position is correct - by that measure, fascism is smart, while all the losers are dumb. Like the Dems. And the PSL.
After all, if they were smart, they would’ve won, right?
I’m a two-time Bernie voter. If there was a real primary in '24, I probably would’ve been a three-time Bernie voter. I marched for him back when my leg was good. I donated. I hammered on doors.
People are not as left as you think they fucking are.
Your comment is strange and contradictory, which I have suspicion of on what your trying to do. But I will bite.
Dem primaries-- much of whom are full of blue MAGA and rigged by DNC elites-- selecting a non-popular candidate who will do the bidding of corporate donors will not win the actual election. Bernie is popular when polled on national level (by the way, in a hypothetical election between Trump and Bernie, showed the latter would be way ahead). But if polled among the elites and blue MAGA such as yourself? Of course he is not popular.
Dem primaries-- much of whom are full of blue MAGA and rigged by DNC elites-- selecting a non-popular candidate who will do the bidding of corporate donors will not win the actual election.
Rigged how?
Bernie is popular when polled on national level (by the way, in a hypothetical election between Trump and Bernie, showed the latter would be way ahead).
Okay, so it should have been easy for him to get out the vote in the primaries, right?
But if polled among the elites and blue MAGA such as yourself? Of course he is not popular.
I literally pointed out that I’m a Bernie supporter. Did you forget to read the comment before replying or something?
Would you like to remind me what Bernie’s weakest demographics were in the Dem primaries, in 2016 and 2020?
Anyone who genuinely support Sanders would not be begging the questions and pretending not to know how the DNC deliberately sidelined him; nor not know how popular his policies are when polled among Americans, which the polls are easily searched on the Internet if one types how popular a given Bernie Sanders or the general progressive proposals are.
You are not really fooling anyone feigning to be Bernie supporter but an actual DNC sock puppet. It is not my problem though, it is the Democratic party who will keep losing (not that they care, they mind more not alienating their rich donors that also fund the Republicans).
You are not really fooling anyone feigning to be Bernie supporter but an actual DNC sock puppet.
Lord.
rigged by DNC elites
Is there any proof of this?
Edit: So, no proof indeed, just downvotes? Lol, alright.
Far-left is the “fuck you” solution that the left would take. In other words, Bernie Sanders. They should just let that man speak.
Bernie Sanders is already the compromise.
Calling Bernie Sanders fart left… first thing the American people should do is reframe your left right references. The guy is centre-left. Democrat party is solid right and Republicans are radical far right.
Our Overton Window has been pushed clear out of the building, shoved into the drainage culvert around back, and it’s slowly drifting downriver and out to sea.
I’ve read some people on right-wing comment chains say it’s refreshing that the Overton Window is finally being pushed back to the right. In America.
This shows how deeply our media bubbles bury segments of our population.
I’m betting those same people believe that Christians are being driven into the sea and the war on christmas is a real fight that they are losing.
The rightwing coup within the DNC. Those staffers and consultants need to be blacklisted from politics. They have done nothing but drive the country into fascism.
It’s hard to even get upset knowing free and fair elections are a thing of the past.
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loudoun county is wealthier, better educated, more diverse, and more ‘blue’ these days than most ‘suburban’ counties. local democrats could shift left of ocasio-cortez and sanders (et al) and still win.
I’ve been saying this for a number of months now you got to kill this party. Abandon it completely. We got to start a new party. We got to start a labor party. A worker party. A party of the people. Whatever we want to call it, but whatever it’s called it’s a party that’s not for the big corporate donors that control the Democratic Party. The Democratic party basically since the late '70s but certainly since the '80s abandoned the people the peoples issues. They’re not coming back.
I kind of agree, but it needs to be a serious party that proves itself. I wont vote for some joke party that only runs in presidental elections. They need to put in the work and run (and win) in smaller more local elections before i would consider giving my vote.
Ideally, this party would fill in the gap the republicans left behind after dying.
For the foreseeable future though, i dont have a choice other than to vote dem
The system of “parties” and “representation” is a complete joke that’s a root cause of this genocidal empire.
The usa needs something like ranked choice before that becomes any way viable.
That’s not entirely true. We’ve had change-ups in which two parties are THE two parties before. Noteably, the GOP. But it MUST start at the local level. We can’t just wait until the presidential election and then complain about the voting system when all that’s left to be done is act as a spoiler candidate. We have to start now, in our own communities.
It’s also helpful when there is infighting among factions within one of the big parties. That’s one reason behind the success in getting the GOP off the ground so quickly: they made common cause with like-minded members and currently-sitting politicians of the older, underperforming Whig party. This is especially helpful when moving from local support to state and then federal level support, since you can put the apparatus of the old party to work for the new ideas (this obviously doesn’t mean absorb all the old party, just the ones that are already aligned with your mission).
The final piece is a central tenant of your platform that is both easy to understand and easy to justify simply based on morals and feels. The GOP had antislavery. We could have anti-oligarchy.
Edit: There is also another way, though: just take over the already existing party, like what the Tea Party did to the GOP. There are some pros to this, the biggest being the ability to utilize the first past the post voting system to greater advantage and ride on name recognition with the underinformed parts of the base. But there are also some big cons, mainly that the “new” party is still saddled with all the corruption and bullshit within the old party from the get-go and now have to convince voters that they are different and will change things from within. With how the top brass of the Democrats have been processing their loss in November, I’m of a mind that starting from scratch could be more beneficial. Especially since there were a lot of voters that just wanted “change”. I also don’t think that simply having a D next to your name on the ballot will work as well for progressives as having an R next to their names worked for the Tea Party.
Some form of Ranked Choice Voting could save what democracy we have. The fact that the leadership of both parties oppose it so vociferously should be enough evidence for anyone to realize it.
Well, why wouldn’t they oppose it? They stopped representing the people a while ago.
“But I don’t want to believe we’re losing horribly, I’d rather believe we’re nearly winning!”
— Liberals
Winner take all didn’t save the whigs.
So where do we start? Voter registration? That’s easily changeable and easily verifiable information to confront them with.
After that I’m lost, but you give me a shepherd and I’ll be a sheep lol
Holy shit you guys are fucked.
Yeah, that’s a depressing read
This seems to be happening everywhere – the whole political spectrum adopting the far right’s positions because ‘it’s what gets votes’.
I’m sure if they break right then those Republicans they’ve been chasing for the last 40 years will finally vote for them!
Just a bit further now… Soon they’ll be doing the “Roman” salutes too.
What’s not mentioned in this excerpt is that this was sponsored by Third Way, a think tank that is singlemindedly devoted to convincing Democrats to cut the left out of the party. God knows the DNC has its problems, but it’s misleading to frame this as a mainstream Democratic conference.
“Moderates say party should go moderate” shocker
Fascism is not moderate.
I smell bullshit here, but yeah this is definitely a laundry list of exactly the stuff not to do. A moderate democrat is a Krysten Sinema and a Joe Manchin that exactly did a lot of damage to Democrats.
Also, owning up to democratic governance issues of large cities? Republicans run <20% of America’s top 50 cities, and 10% of the top 30. Republicans are not in the business of running large cities, so WTF would give credence to them on a topic they literally have no expertise or relevant track record in doing.
Has “having no expertise or relevant track record” on something ever stopped the GOP from trying to push through ideas? Seems pretty on-brand to me
agree, but these are supposed “democrats” who give in to the total horseshit GOP messaging. This is why I don’t think the original post’s content is real:
Image going to the tailgaiting party or to a southern baptist church and tell them about urban democrats’ failures. They won’t switch DEM. They’ll say that Faux News was right all along and will confirm all of their beliefs in the radical right wing propaganda.
