awful.systems
  • Communities
  • Create Post
  • heart
    Support Lemmy
  • search
    Search
  • Login
  • Sign Up
@essell@lemmy.world to 196@lemmy.blahaj.zone •
edit-2
2 months ago

It's a rule that the existence of vegan shoes implies the existence of carnivorous shoes

lemmy.world

message-square
75
fedilink
322

It's a rule that the existence of vegan shoes implies the existence of carnivorous shoes

lemmy.world

@essell@lemmy.world to 196@lemmy.blahaj.zone •
edit-2
2 months ago
message-square
75
fedilink
alert-triangle
You must log in or register to comment.
  • @lugal@sopuli.xyz
    link
    fedilink
    108•2 months ago

    Many shoes contain leather or wool or something. Vegan isn’t just about food

    • @huppakee@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      29•2 months ago

      I know right, I’m surprised there are so many people here who don’t appear to get that. If I look at the image I assume the seller of this pair of shoes just slapped a buzzword on but vegan shoes and clothing are a thing and since when is everything that is not vegan carnivorous? Cheese and honey are also neither, right.

      • @EmptySlime@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        link
        fedilink
        English
        5•2 months ago

        Jokes like this aren’t to imply that there are only two options. It also implies the existence of pescatarian shoes for example. The joke is that you apply other related terms to the situation, usually the most absurd of them. In this case carnivorous was probably chosen for the implication that the shoes themselves are carnivorous and would eat you if you wore them.

        • @huppakee@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          2•2 months ago

          In that case I just didn’t get the joke because a meat-eating shoe would make a good joke

    • setVeryLoud(true);
      link
      fedilink
      8•2 months ago

      So, mostly plastic with some plant materials?

      • @drinkwaterkin@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        2•2 months ago

        It depends. For example I just made one quick search, “biodegradable vegan shoes”, and this was one of the first results:

        https://blueviewfootwear.com/

        Also see here, leather at least as bad environmentally, in addition to being ethically awful.

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNQgcBUGD3g

    • @JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      2•2 months ago

      In this case, wouldn’t vegan be the opposite of organic?

      • @lugal@sopuli.xyz
        link
        fedilink
        English
        6•2 months ago

        No. Plants are vegan and can be used as material for shoes

        • @JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works
          link
          fedilink
          2•2 months ago

          But they aren’t, vegan shoes would be made of polyester/nylon/other plastics.

          • @drinkwaterkin@lemm.ee
            link
            fedilink
            1•2 months ago

            They’re usually not, at least at this time. More R&D needs to go into plant-based materials for more options. Even so, leather itself is also anything but “organic.”

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNQgcBUGD3g

            • @JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works
              link
              fedilink
              1•2 months ago

              The one in the post looks like it’s polyester and foam. Why would plant based materials be better? I would think ideally you’d make the plastics out of ethanal and algie, but with how much processing goes into it, I’d hardly call that organic.

              • @drinkwaterkin@lemm.ee
                link
                fedilink
                1•2 months ago

                Did you watch the video?

                • @JohnDClay@sh.itjust.works
                  link
                  fedilink
                  1•2 months ago

                  I didn’t see how it was relevant.

          • @lugal@sopuli.xyz
            link
            fedilink
            1•2 months ago

            I have vegan shoes made of pineapple leaves. Checkmate atheist

          • @Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works
            link
            fedilink
            1•2 months ago

            Espadrille?

    • @pipe01@programming.dev
      link
      fedilink
      1•2 months ago

      deleted by creator

  • @bdonvr@thelemmy.club
    link
    fedilink
    41•2 months ago

    Vegans avoid animal products outside food too?

    • @distantsounds@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      36•2 months ago

      Yes.

      • @bdonvr@thelemmy.club
        link
        fedilink
        24•2 months ago

        Sorry didn’t mean it as an actual question. More an incredulous tone

    • @potter2010@lemmy.ca
      link
      fedilink
      8•2 months ago

      Depending on the reason for being vegan.

      For animal rights/ethics, yes.

      For health/climate, potentially less so.

      • irelephant [he/him]🍭
        link
        fedilink
        1•2 months ago

        Genuine question: Is avoiding leather really that great? Leather seems much more durable than plastic, and its from a part of the animal thats really just thrown away anyway.

        • 🦄🦄🦄
          link
          fedilink
          6•2 months ago
          1. making the leather is a horrible process, making skin into the product you know requires a lot of chemicals that aren’t great for the environment

          2. Leather is not necessarily a byproduct but a coproduct.

          • irelephant [he/him]🍭
            link
            fedilink
            1•2 months ago

            Thanks for answering!
            For the environment thing, would making leather clothes be worse than making plastic clothes?

    • @rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      4•
      edit-2
      2 months ago

      Vegans love microplastics.

      edit: lol, love you cud chewers

    • @ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      1•2 months ago

      “Vegan” originally meant “vegetarian + no non-food animal products”, which later got distorted into “vegetarian”, then thanks to crooks promoting the “carnivore” diet, “person that actually eats their veggies”. No really, the last one started to spread from gymbro forums after one of them said “um, ackchually, fiber is carbs too”.

  • @HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone
    link
    fedilink
    English
    31•2 months ago

    Vegan aka Synthetics. It’s just a fuckin buzzword.

    Now if it was Oil and Animal free It would kinda cool.

    • @rc__buggy@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      19•2 months ago

      Something tells me the label “Plastic” wouldn’t sell as well.

    • @slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org
      link
      fedilink
      English
      7•2 months ago

      I have shoes that is printed from algae, they are vegan and synthetic free

      • @HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        link
        fedilink
        English
        1•2 months ago

        Which company? I’m interested in seeing what they got because that’s pretty sick, i doubt they are sketchers though 😂

        • @slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org
          link
          fedilink
          English
          3•2 months ago

          They are called vivo barefoot

      • irelephant [he/him]🍭
        link
        fedilink
        1•2 months ago

        That is actually really cool.

    • @demunted@lemmy.ml
      link
      fedilink
      3•2 months ago

      Yeah this is just plastic washing.

      • @HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        link
        fedilink
        English
        1•2 months ago

        Shit it even says it right there “machine washable”

    • @blackris@discuss.tchncs.de
      link
      fedilink
      3•2 months ago

      No, vegan aka not made with shitty glue made of animal bones. It is not just a buzzword.

      • @HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        link
        fedilink
        English
        2•2 months ago

        Hey horse Jesus died for our glue …

    • @DerArzt@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      1•2 months ago

      That would be kind of wild! I wonder if it’s possible with that mango leather I’ve heard about.

      • @HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone
        link
        fedilink
        English
        1•2 months ago

        My wife said the same but we never looked into it.

  • Cactus_Head
    link
    fedilink
    English
    19•2 months ago

    I am pretty sure that called leather

  • @Pondis@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    14•2 months ago

    Vegan “leather” is made of plastic. Plastic is a by product of the oil industry. Oil is made out of dinosaurs. Plastic is not vegan.

    Take THAT PeTA!

    Also huge eye rolling and /s

    • 🦄🦄🦄
      link
      fedilink
      9•2 months ago

      Ackschully oil is made from plant matter, not dinosorus 🤓

      • Draconic NEO
        link
        fedilink
        1•2 months ago

        Algae and Plankton technically, though some of those plankton (Zooplankton) are animals, not plants, they’re all mixed together and baked under high pressure, no way to separate the zooplankton from the phytoplankton.

  • @lobo@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    11•2 months ago

    i don’t know man, that looks synthetic to me

    what would dinosaurs think of this “vegan” shoe?

    • @Neuropain@lemmy.blahaj.zone
      link
      fedilink
      24•2 months ago

      How does it being synthetic have anything to do with it being vegan?

      And a dinosaur would think “cool shoes”.

      • @butwhyishischinabook@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        13•2 months ago

        He’s just being a pedantic asshole

      • @Depress_Mode@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        10•
        edit-2
        2 months ago

        Those fabrics are made of plastic, which is derived from oil, which forms over long periods of time from buried decaying plant and animal matter. 70% of the Earth’s oil is from the Mesozoic Era, which encompassed the Triassic, Jurassic, and Cretaceous Periods, so formed during a time when dinosaurs lived and jokes about oil being made of dinosaurs are common. Oil is actually made of plankton rather than dinosaurs, though.

      • don
        link
        fedilink
        7•2 months ago

        My guess is that the lack of leather constitutes being vegan.

        • 🦄🦄🦄
          link
          fedilink
          4•2 months ago

          Also lack of animal based glue.

      • @lobo@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        2•2 months ago

        plastics are usualy from oil, and oil is from dinosaura

        although googling it now it seems it was disproven

        • @protist@mander.xyz
          link
          fedilink
          English
          16•2 months ago

          Almost all fossil fuels consist of plant matter laid down in the Carboniferous Period, before dinosaurs even evolved

        • @Neuropain@lemmy.blahaj.zone
          link
          fedilink
          9•2 months ago

          Yeah it’s almost all plant matter I think.

        • @idiomaddict@lemmy.world
          link
          fedilink
          7•2 months ago

          Even if it wasn’t, it’s a valid point to argue that found roadkill is vegan (but still not safe to eat, RFK Jr), because no one is exploiting anyone else. There are lots of reasons for vegans not to embrace petroleum products, but the well-being of the animals and plants that formed the petroleum isn’t one of them.

          • @lobo@lemmy.world
            link
            fedilink
            3•2 months ago

            when you’re trying to explain your stupid joke and get akchualied 😑

            • @idiomaddict@lemmy.world
              link
              fedilink
              2•2 months ago

              Sometimes I get the phrase “I’m autistic” sung to the beat of the electric slide stuck in my head 🤷

  • @daggermoon@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    9•
    edit-2
    2 months ago

    Aren’t most cheap shoes vegan? It didn’t occur to me this is something I have to watch out for

    • @kungfuratte@feddit.org
      link
      fedilink
      3•2 months ago

      There are a lot of leather shoes. :)

      • WIZARD POPE💫
        link
        fedilink
        2•2 months ago

        How mqny cheap shoes are made of real leather?

        • @kungfuratte@feddit.org
          link
          fedilink
          1•2 months ago

          deleted by creator

    • @drinkwaterkin@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      2•2 months ago

      It’s possible, and if finances are a struggle you just kind of have to make your best guess in some cases, or buy used. Most of the time when shoes have leather, they advertise it pretty boldly, so that helps. Still, you never know - for example, what are the adhesives made out of? That’s why vegan certifications are important, a lot of things can be easily hidden, and a lot of companies aren’t particularly clear on their use of animal products even when reached out to directly.

      Going vegan means learning to have to put everything under a microscope. The word ‘vystopia’ exists for good reason.

  • @whotookkarl@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    9•2 months ago

    Alt: wool lined moccasin

    • Draconic NEO
      link
      fedilink
      1•2 months ago

      Also looks to be made of leather too, which is kind of a bigger problem.

  • @Mycatiskai@lemmy.ca
    link
    fedilink
    7•2 months ago

    Kill a vegan, skin them, tan the skin, make shoes, add the same dual use Vegan sticker.

    • @slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org
      link
      fedilink
      English
      1•2 months ago

      Cows are vegan. But their leather isn’t. Or is this a le funny joke?

      • irelephant [he/him]🍭
        link
        fedilink
        1•2 months ago

        Le funny joke punchline is that the shoes are vegan, as they are made of vegans. This is humorous because “vegan” shoes usually imply that the shoes are vegan, not made of vegans. This discreptancy can often be interpreted as humorous, or shocking.

  • @dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    6•2 months ago

    No. Instead, it implies that eating this shoe is better for your health than eating a non-vegan one.

    • @BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      2•2 months ago

      Do we have a term for individuals that refrain from eating shoes? Because vegan shoe or not, I identify as a person who doesn’t eat shoes.

  • irelephant [he/him]🍭
    link
    fedilink
    4•2 months ago

    Now I can eat shoes without feeling guilty.

  • Draconic NEO
    link
    fedilink
    3•2 months ago

    @essell
    Some shoes have leather in them, in the past it was almost universal that shoes would be made of leather, but with the advent of modern plastics and rubbers most shoes these days aren’t made of leather anymore, since leather is more expensive.

    Side note, in the past shoes were much more repairable and there were actually people known as cobblers who would make and, get this, repair shoes. Nowadays many modern shoes, especially sneakers, are built in a way that makes them significantly less if not completely unrepairable, which really sucks. We should be able to repair shoes just like in the old days #righttorepair

    @196

  • @werefreeatlast@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    3•2 months ago

    removed by mod

    • @werefreeatlast@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      2•2 months ago

      removed by mod

  • @werefreeatlast@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    3•2 months ago

    removed by mod

  • @werefreeatlast@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    3•2 months ago

    removed by mod

196@lemmy.blahaj.zone

!196@lemmy.blahaj.zone

remote_follow_modal_title

Create a post
You are not logged in. However you can subscribe from another Fediverse account, for example Lemmy or Mastodon. To do this, paste the following into the search field of your instance: !196@lemmy.blahaj.zone

Be sure to follow the rule before you head out.


Rule: You must post before you leave.



Other rules

Behavior rules:

  • No bigotry (transphobia, racism, etc…)
  • No genocide denial
  • No support for authoritarian behaviour (incl. Tankies)
  • No namecalling
  • Accounts from lemmygrad.ml, threads.net, or hexbear.net are held to higher standards
  • Other things seen as cleary bad

Posting rules:

  • No AI generated content (DALL-E etc…)
  • No advertisements
  • No gore / violence
  • Mutual aid posts are not allowed

NSFW: NSFW content is permitted but it must be tagged and have content warnings. Anything that doesn’t adhere to this will be removed. Content warnings should be added like: [penis], [explicit description of sex]. Non-sexualized breasts of any gender are not considered inappropriate and therefore do not need to be blurred/tagged.

If you have any questions, feel free to contact us on our matrix channel or email.

Other 196’s:

  • !196@lemmy.world
  • !onehundredninetysix@lemmy.blahaj.zone
  • 340 users / day
  • 2.19K users / week
  • 5.08K users / month
  • 16.1K users / 6 months
  • 17.9K subscribers
  • 10.8K Posts
  • 85.5K Comments
  • Modlog
  • mods:
  • Moss
  • @greembow@lemmy.blahaj.zone
  • moss
  • Queue
  • funky-rodent [he/him]
  • Peachy [they/she]
  • @threegnomes@lemmy.blahaj.zone
  • @greembow@lemmy.world
  • @remotelove@lemmy.ca
  • Roflmasterbigpimp
  • @A_Very_Big_Fan@lemm.ee
  • qaz
  • @A_Very_Big_Fan@lemmy.world
  • @qaz@lemmy.sdf.org
  • qaz
  • @qaz@sh.itjust.works
  • BE: 0.19.3
  • Modlog
  • Instances
  • Docs
  • Code
  • join-lemmy.org