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Source: stux@mstdn.social
“This is why we don’t need #US #cars in #Europe”
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“This is why we don’t need #US #cars in #Europe”
We don’t need this shit in the US, either. I hope that tram just rammed the fucker.
I hope the city seized the truck, auctioned it off, and fined the owner for littering.
In Estonia, at your second
speedingdrunk-driving violation they confiscate your vehicle - and if it’s an SUV they send it to Ukraine.For backstory, see latest episode of the podcast The Urbanist Agenda.
I heard this was if you get caught for drunk driving the second time, they stepped up their game damn.
You’re right, I meant drunk driving, not speeding.
But some countries take speeding pretty seriously too (as they should). In Norway you get a short jail spell for something like a 30kmh excess. In Switzerland the fines are adjusted for income so that rich speeders pay more - one guy paid over €1 million! Same system in Finland too, I believe.
Speeding and drink driving play a big part in traffic deaths and also the cost of fixing all the people who do survive is totally preventable so I am all for it. Progressive fines sound very fair too, misbehaving companies in some cases also pay a percentage of their profit so why not citizens as well.
My wealthy ex’s family would just pay the tickets, so he never learned.
I’d beg him not to go 40 in school zones.
Could be that their wealth caused them not to care about fines, if they had to pay 5% of that wealth every time they would definity take it easy in school zones.
Don’t you get deducted points for speeding? Like after a while wouldn’t he lose his license, regardless of how much he pays?
Clarification: titled “Let’s Send our Pickup Trucks to Ukraine (with Build the Lanes)”
https://podcastaddict.com/the-urbanist-agenda/episode/196176727
Since, y’know… in a few weeks it won’t be the latest one anymore.
This was a great episode, and was great to hear this way to use trucks…
Thank you for the podcast tip, I’d like to learn more about what you described!
More like melted it down for scrap
and turned it into a new tram (because it’s almost the same size as the fkn tram)
I don’t think we necessarily need to melt down the owner…
I hope too. But because the news headline would be “Dodge Rammed”
Driver comes running over to move the car just in time… “Ram Dodged”
The Most Holy Ram Dodge
I know we’re being hyperbolic here but hard disagree – how awful would that be for everyone on-board? And absolutely not worth the damage to public infrastructure. There’s an established procedure for dealing with blockages, and I hope that process irreparably damages the truck and results in a hefty fine for the owner
Puts down Molotov cocktail… Are you sure?
Stand down, soldier. It is not yet your time.
Jump down the shelters to get away
The boys are cockin’ up their guns
Tell us general, is it party time?
If it is, can we all come?
Not great for adjacent vehicles either
Yeah exactly. Even in jest I loathe this unquestioned impulse to punish the offender without any thought to collateral. This driver’s primary offense is being oblivious to their impact on others – what message is sent if the reaction is just as oblivious?
Okay I’m done policing morals.
Someone in my city did this. Their car blocked the tram. The tram company ordered taxis for all passengers, and the car owner had to foot the bill.
Did the offender actually pay the bill? Did the tram company have to sue to get the money? Do you have a news article?
@rabber @shadowtofu
Tram company makes money by moving people. When the tram line stops moving, they lose money by the minute. 1000 Euros per minute plus the standard fee for a parking ticket seems fair. That should make the driver pay attention in the future.I mean I’m all for fining them but there’s no chance they’re getting 1000 euro/min lol
It’s a network. It’s not just the people in that tram. But all trams on that line and all people connecting through that line that are effected. And that specific track might actually run multiple lines as well. Depending on the country they might be applicable for an reimbursement fee. And lets not start about all the costs the passengers might incur… So €1000/min seems fine for me for this shit head
@mac Get found to be intentionally delaying a train in Japan and they bill you a huge amount of money. Not just for the train you delayed, it’s also all the trains on the line behind it that also get delayed. 1000 Euros a minute seem reasonable considering the lost money for the tram company and the lost time of thousands of riders. Plus reduced reputation for the reliability and punctuality of the service causes incalculable loss to the train / tram company.
I’m not going to defend this ridiculous vehicle and the extremely poor parking but there’s just no way a court would award 1,000 euros a minute.
It’s an absurd number you just picked that seems commensurate with everyone’s hatred for these cars.
Intentionally delaying a train is not analogous to parking your car on a tramway. Intent is important. Also a train might contain several hundred passengers while a tram might have a few dozen at most.
The reduced reputation as a result of this happenstance will be infinitesimals. No judge would award losses for reputation over this.
You’re really missing the whole point that these kinds of delays propagate through the whole network. All trams after this point have to stop or they start congesting the roads. So all lines that share the same track and switchovers might have to be stopped too if there aren’t enough alternatives (which tram tracks usually don’t have a lot). This can easily halt a huge part of the tram network depending where in the network this congestion is.
And when the congestion is finally resolved it might still take a long time for everything to finally run smoothly again. You’re also looking at worker overtime, depending on how long it took the car to get removed. They might not be allowed to drive further anymore because they are over their time limits, so now you have to shuffle around tram drivers too adding to more delays.
No judge in the US? Or no judge in the EU?
Bear in mind that Finland, for instance, has day fines, and a speeding ticket in 2023 netted a businessman a €121,000 fine. So expensive fines are not unknown in EU countries.
Okay, how about a large fine based on wealth, 1 year community service, and a lifetime ban on owning a vehicle and driving?
@null_dot
{Also a train might contain several hundred passengers while a tram might have a few dozen at most.}
True but what about the next one and the one after that etc etc? This driver didn’t just block the tram they blocked the line. Intent is proven by the obvious tracks that are being blocked by the car that the driver would have to have driven over to get to the parking space.
Public transportation is expensive here
That’d be cool but I think people are interested to know if this actually happened
Not the case I was thinking about, but here is a similar case:
[translated] Parking in a stupid way can be expensive. In Frankfurt, the regional court has ruled that a car driver must pay for the use of 28 cabs.
[…]
The cabs collected people waiting at the stops and drove them to other stops along the route. This went on for an hour before the car parked not far from a “Please keep enough distance from the track” sign was towed away and the route was free again. […]
When the VGF then demanded 973.13 euros, 25 euros of this was a lump sum for their own expenses - and the rest was the cost of the rail replacement cabs. The court ruled out manipulation by the cab company after hearing witnesses, and the court was also unable to recognize any dilly-dallying during towing.
The car driver did not have any legal grounds for not paying for the cabs, this only went to a court because they tried to accuse the cab company.
They could just take the brightline approach for dealing with vehicles on the track.
@conditional_soup @shadowtofu
Would that mean that since the tram has the right of way on the tracks it can simply push the offending driver’s property off the tracks and any damage is legally the fault of the idiot driver?Brightline is Florida’s highspeed rail line between Orlando (Theme Parks) and Miami. It opened recently and has destroyed many cars and trucks that sit at stoplights on the train tracks.
Me and the wife like to drive down from Tallahassee real early so we can spend the entire day riding the Brightline. They got a special car for those of us that buy the all-day passes. Its like tailgating at the ball game, people bring their coolers and sometimes a small grill. We always have a couple spotters watching for cars on the track ahead of us. If the cars linger on the track too long then we all start the war chant. It started out as BL! BL! BL! SMASH!, but now it has kind of morphed into BALLER! BALLER! BALLER! SMASH!
It’s like driving in a demolition derby but at like 125 mph and you don’t have to spend any time or money getting a hoopty running.I want to believe this is real but it sounds too good to not be a meme. People ride trains as a hobby in Florida?? Pics (video) or it didn’t happen.
I admit at first we all felt like filthy communists, but the rush you get from the sound of the steel wheels sliding on steel rails followed by the sound of a train obliterating a Nissan at over 90 mph is god damn addictive. Occasionally, we’ll catch a lifted pickup that has stalled on the tracks (ironically it’s almost always a Dodge Ram) and man those dumbasses universally want to blame the train, so we all get to “Stand out ground” and riddle that truck with so many bullets that it doubles in weight. Hell, that’s how I met my bff Harlan. He was working off his community service time for his 3rd DUI right there next to the track picking up litter. Next thing you know him, me, and the train engineer are seeing who can spin the rear tire of some upside down Dodge the fastest. Harlan is a damn good shot, but since he was serving community time he wasn’t allowed to carry anything bigger than a 9mm, so he definitely lost that one.
Just Florida things
Not only that, but Brightline helpfully disassembles the offending vehicle so that any parts that are damaged in the move can easily be identified along the debris field.
amazing
I get why people are annoyed but I wish my truck had a sunroof.
#1 vehicle for drivers being under the influence of alcohol.
Alcohol would explain why someone would purchase the fuck off monstrosity that is the ram. Renting a truck is a better option 99% of the time.
If I were driving drunk regularly, I’d want to be in a tank like this, too.
This is 100% illegal, even if there was no tram rails. City would
toetow this car if they were quick enough to respond too.They might even give it the whole foot
No i meant push it away with their toe obv
That tram could give it a good punt
I love the thought of this bozo having to pick up his wanktank from the impound yard every week because he was improperly parked.
It’s not even the fines or the embarrassment, because I’m sure this is some rich asshole who cares zero about others, but the inconvenience of having his car towed constantly would bring me so much joy…
This looks like a show down.
Tram be like:
"You’re big because the single person inside you is insecure.
I’m big because there are 100 people inside me.
We are not the same."
there are 100 people inside me.
😳
Found Annabel Chong.
Extremely fucked up. Not the quantity of men (it would have probably been extremely painful a couple hours in though. and even more so if she took a break in between), but the fact that she wasn’t paid and wasn’t fairly informed about risks.
TIL
I’ve said both in a single day. The look on the first guy’s face when the 99 others walked in was priceless.
Train can’t dodge, but it can ram…
The Brightline strategy for clearing the tracks
I don’t even drive a big vehicle, but I know that I would be mortified if I drove somewhere only to realize that my vehicle is like 2x the size of every other vehicle around me, and I cannot fit into any parking spot.
How do these people live with themselves? I would get out of the truck, take a look at how far I’m blocking the road, and then just drive away and never come back.
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Some people love any kind of attention they can get. You can’t be ignored with such a car. People will talk to you about it. You can’t be ignored feel stronger and bigger inside it than anyone else on the road.
smul pp?
Me to tram driver:
“SEND IT, BRO!”
Closest I could find was bros yeeting a car out of the way of a tram.
That will be expensive.
And dumb, how can you not see the tracks?Just like how they can’t see kids when they’re peeling off their driveway.
I worked the ER for a smaller hospital in the past and one evening I was called in because a father had ran over his own son with one of those pickups. The kid ran out to greet him but the father couldn’t see his own kid because the lifted pickup’s hood was too high.
I sincerely hate those wanktanks with all my heart and soul
I will be using wanktank going forward, maybe adjusting it to “yankwanktank” for the especially egregious American monstrosities.
wank tank for the vehicle, wank tank yank for the zealots that drive them
Bloody hell, that is just sad :(
The kind of people who would just drive on when there’s no witnesses
They can see the tracks - they just don’t know what they are lol
(/j)
Could be partially true if they are actually from America. Lots of places have old tracks that are not in use but left in places like downtowns (sad and ironic). Definitely not an excuse but possibly some context.
I live near a (US) town that has an active trolley line down the center of the main street. People block that fucking thing all the time.
No joke, I nearly died walking across Waterlooplein a few years ago. I had no idea there were even trolley tracks there. I heard or maybe just felt something, stopped walking and turned my head - to see a trolley whizzing past about an inch away from me.
Even setting aside that it’s so unnecessarily huge, imagine having the utter contempt for others and self-importance necessary to park up on tram lines like that.
Dodge Ram. Making bank off insecurity
Gender affirming vehicle.
Micropenis compensatior
Gender reaffirming vehlcle.
For some, it is doing the full job of affirmation.
Time to equip the tram with giant sawblades to clear the way.
There is something poetic about this image and how the USA “fits” in with the rest of the world.
From dodge ram to didn’t dodge and was rammed
Come on down to Ram Ranch for the hottest “deals” around.
