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  • egerlach@lemmy.caEnglish
    143·
    7 months ago

    For those who don’t know, Bluesky isn’t really federated. The only way to host a non-Bluesky instance required 1TB of storage in July 2024, and 5 TB of storage in Nov 2024. Could be way more than that now.

    You basically have to be a company to federate into the ATProto (Bluesky) ecosystem. You can’t just “stand up an instance”.

    Lots of detail: https://dustycloud.org/blog/how-decentralized-is-bluesky/

    (I know you’ve already realized that you were conflating Mastodon with Bluesky, I’m putting this here for others who come along so they can get the facts).

      • 73ms@sopuli.xyzEnglish
        26·
        7 months ago

        yeah the DM system is something completely exclusive to their official servers and that they just rolled up without caring at all about trying to keep up the pretense of wanting to build something decentralized.

        • Natanael@infosec.pubEnglish
          6·
          7 months ago

          They’re planning on migrating to the new MLS group messaging encryption standard, which is built to support federated messaging encryption (more efficient than the current Matrix protocol)

          (also, Matrix are also planning on adopting it, and the RCS spec is getting it too)

          It’s long to take a while though. The standard is very recent and nobody has a complete implementation yet.

      • communism@lemmy.mlEnglish
        19·
        7 months ago

        It’s not an outlandish amount, but for instance I have my own VPS where I host a variety of services, and it still has under 1TB storage. Most hobbyists who rent a VPS would have less storage than that.

        • Anivia@feddit.orgEnglish
          1·
          7 months ago

          Why rent? If you have fiber and aren’t behind CGNAT you can host from your home

          • communism@lemmy.mlEnglish
            1·
            7 months ago

            I rent because of government surveillance; I want my server in a different country.

              • communism@lemmy.mlEnglish
                1·
                7 months ago

                I mean it also means I inherently have an off-site backup, which is important given that my home occasionally gets raided by the police. I’m not worried about data access since I use FDE on everything, but data loss is a real concern.

      • 73ms@sopuli.xyzEnglish
        5·
        7 months ago

        it keeps constantly growing by terabytes and needs to be fast too though. Means you’re going to pay more than most private individuals are able to long-term just for the privilege of running that one component.

        • Natanael@infosec.pubEnglish
          2·
          7 months ago

          That’s just if you want a complete copy. You can choose to store only parts of it, and retrieve what’s missing from other relay servers when you need it.

          • 73ms@sopuli.xyzEnglish
            3·
            7 months ago

            seems to be a fairly recent development that isn’t really documented much for now (not that running relays and some other components of the network is that well documented in general). Of course doing it that way also doesn’t help with how centralized the whole thing is…

            • Natanael@infosec.pubEnglish
              1·
              7 months ago

              It’s always been possible with the use of content addressing, it’s just that they’ve been spending most time building out core services and are now focusing on making it cheaper to run.

              • 73ms@sopuli.xyzEnglish
                3·
                7 months ago

                Yeah, one of my main gripes with them is how much they talk about decentralization and how much it stays as vaporware while they focus on the more pressing issue of the moment.

    • aeshna_cyanea@lemm.eeEnglish
      11·
      7 months ago

      That’s only if you want to maintain a full archive. You don’t actually have to store a full archive to run a relay