Dr. Lisa Anderson, 58, was born in Pennsylvania and is a U.S. citizen.
A doctor born in the United States says she received an email from federal immigration authorities demanding that she leave the country immediately.
Lisa Anderson, a physician from Cromwell, Connecticut, told NBC Connecticut on Wednesday that she recently received a letter from the Department of Homeland Security telling her, “It is time for you to leave the United States."
Immigration authorities have been pushing noncitizens to leave of their own volition, or “self-deport,” as the number of deportations remains at similar levels to last year.
With an exotic name like Lisa Anderson (I’m sorry, did I pronounce that right?) She’s kind of asking for trouble like this.
They’re pushing the boundaries, to see what they can get away with.
I’m just joking.
They can get away with anything.
They scraped her social media, deemed it to have “Improper Attitude,” and targeted her. Besides, the only reason she’s not the kitchen, not making sammiches where she belongs, is because of AA/DEI, right guyz?!!!
Edit again: wrong doctor. Still…
Remember when they thought the covid shot was a way to keep track of you. Why don’t they care all of a sudden?
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Clearly the daughter of the guy in The Matrix which is not real murica!
The famous quote about Nazis, “First they came for…” is being realized at intense pacing.
Fuck fascists and their garbage Nazi AI injection into government systems. All Nazis are garbage and the exception to the rule about acceptance and inclusion. GTFO!
Death to Nazis!
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Nah fuck that
That is an excellent platform.
Due process to Nazis.
It’s just my opinion and I don’t advocate violence, but for me, “due process For Nazis”=pulling back the hammer.
I think that’s what he was saying, but either way…
Sorry for late response. Not what I am saying at all. Everybody gets due process. If you want to exempt Nazis, then we have to rely on your judgement of who is a Nazi. No thanks. That’s like relying on the Trump administration to determine who is in MS-13 and not have to prove it.
Castration for pedophiles without trial! Uh, what if when you look more closely at the case, the evidence that the suspect was a pedophile falls apart? Just because the crime is heinous doesn’t mean the suspect is guilty.
You’re not wrong. If being a Nazi is a death sentence, then you better have a good definition of Nazi and you should prove your case. That said, if you are Nazi-adjacent and throwing up HH or sending people to death camps, you’re telling on yourself and fuck any technicality. You and I can recognize evil that the law can’t. And I’m kinda okay with that.
When a bunch of Nazis start getting killed, I’ll start looking closer. But to date, no Nazis have gotten killed in about 75 years for just being a Nazi, and that number is far, far too low.
I respect your point of view and the world needs people less biased than me. But my opinion isn’t changing.
The difference between today’s Republican Party and the Nazi Party is just temporal and geographical. Same ethics.
“ethics”
intense pacing? it’s a gd speedrun of it is what it is
The underlying unsaid context: “White American with White Name who never has been outside the country told to self-deport”. Yes, WHITE AMERICA it could happen to YOU!
But she gets to laugh it off, which is exactly what she’s doing.
She’s not laughing it off. She’s worried and carrying her passport on her at all times.
I lived in a travelers hostel with a lot of international people moving about on various visas. I think white people and majorities are more smug and comfortable than they should be right now. There was plenty of fuckery then, and we didn’t even have the Jaffa cake monster in charge.
Don’t assume they ain’t coming for you. If you’re not on their side, you’re somewhere on the list.
Everybody is assuming that this is the result of this administration’s virtuosic incompetence, but it is equally possible that these people have been specifically targeted. The last one was an immigration attorney, so that seemed to indicate they were harrassing someone who was opposing them. I wonder if they have some bizarre reason to target this woman.
Conceivably it is both. There’s a Dr. Lisa Anderson on a list somewhere for some reason and the admin simply does not care if they sent the letter to the right person.
Similarly, when the ICE agents kick down her door, they won’t care if she’s the right person either.
“Fuck it, take her anyway.”
That’s essentially a real quote:
“No, he’s not the one,” one ICE agent reportedly said.
“Take him anyway,” the other replied.
Yeah, that’s what made me think of it.
“We get to boost our numbers and hit that quota easier and she was probably a communist Democrat anyway, win-win.”
It says it right in her title, “Dr”. Sounds like an open and shut case - pro-vaxer, poisoning and gayifying american children with 5G microchips, and very probably cutting men’s dicks off so they can go into the women’s toilet to rape people.
What’s as bizarre as anything else about this is that they are sending these to people via email. Like she says, most people will just think it’s spam. What official US government organization has ever before sent official legal stuff via email? None. Until now.
The idea that if you don’t see an email threatening to arrest or deport you, because it was filtered as spam or looks like spam or was sent to an old email you don’t even use anymore or any number of things related to email being an unreliable way to contact someone, is scary.
I also read somewhere that some govt agency (don’t recall which, I think it was a health agency?) would now be posting all official notices on X instead of on their own official website!!!
It sets up a situation where anyone could misrepresent the government and send these types of emails out to harass people.
Pretty sure that’s the point
I also read somewhere that some govt agency (don’t recall which, I think it was a health agency?)
Social Security Administration
I know a lot of terrible things are going on but it’s stuff like this that also eats at my brain. It’s so incredibly stupid, pointless and is petty the right word?
gets old ppl on X and into the fascist disinfo pipelines is my guess as to why
Or it gets old people screwed out of their Social Security because the new rules and guidelines to continue receiving payments was posted on X, and they don’t have an X account because they are 80 fucking years old and don’t use the internet.
a little column a, a little column b
Exactly.
I would like to see these pathetic Nazis leave the country.
That’s more charitable than I’d like to be.
No one said what condition they’d be leaving in.
Vacuum packed and dehydrated to save on shipping costs
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There’s more than one way to leave a country.
North, South, East, West, or down.
Up
Leave how?
Can a trebuchet be the vehicle of choice?
Woodchipper
Bullseye!
send them all to antartica to see how thier rugged individualism and survival strategies help them. specifically the interior.
Get guns. Go sit with these women and minorities who are being attacked. Wait for the gestapo. Act.
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You are an army of puppies against a military of trained, better equipped than you will ever be, killers.
I just want you to understand the wall you’re climbing before you start acting.
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Open military style warfare is not your friend. Guerilla tactics will serve you so well against the organized military. Look to your war history as well as the 2022 citizen resistance efforts in Ukraine for inspiration. But not your military.
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Something tells me a war here would go very differently. Who knows, maybe you’re right - I’ve got a sneaking suspicion that the most well armed civvies won’t be fighting against the govt though. If you get my meaning.
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You’re comparing populations hardened by war, young men who have known nothing but violence and civil war with Weekend Warrior Proud Boys and the 101st Hoverround Brigade? You are delusional.
A military that turns on its own people is not a military.
Really? Pretty sure China has turned the military on its people more than once, it’s still very much a standing military.
A curious example. Militaries fight enemies of the state. When the people are the enemy of the state, you are not dealing with a military or a government. It’s warlords, despots, gangsters, brigands and bandits.
They can dress themselves up in the language and carefully curated selection of traditions, but its still a primitive system. Might makes right is suitable for lower primates. Civilized nations can do better when you don’t let the lower apes in power
I don’t disagree - by your example, however ; militaries are inherently primitive. How does a primitive action from a primitive system add up as anything other than causality in action?
Why did we bother inventing anything? We could exterminate the species with rocks bashed on heads, yet here we are. There are better ways that are not doomed to primitivity.
That’s been the military’s job for most of history - keep the king in power
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Our best chance is honestly to have the rule of law break down and just fend for ourselves honestly.
That way I can keep shooting when brownshirts come knocking, and my neighbors can too.
We’re in the age of drones and AI. They won’t be brownshirts, they’ll be drone swarms - and you won’t even know that they’re looking at you.
Rule of law breaking down = AI drone swarms. If you think that anything good comes from a neofeudalistic hellscape with armed drones - I have a bridge to sell you. Your only hope is your fellow man.
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And yet with half a billion civilian owned guns couldn’t stop one South African and a bunch of Red-Pilled Xennials from dismantling the federal government in three months.
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You first, Keyboard Warrior.
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So you literally are a Keyboard Warrior. Posting on Lemmy to “piss off” Americans? 😂😂.
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Chances are those idiots are just using a shitty LLM to parse through folders of documents and extract names, then templatize them into a form email without any validation. She could have been listed as a physician for some other person and her name showed up on some random medical document and the dumb system grabber her that way.
They’re too dumb to even comprehend what they are doing, they’re using AI like it’s canon all over the place.
This is actually great.
I mean, I know this is going to be a cynical take, but I have nothing left but cynicism towards my country.
If the administration starts persecuting white Americans, that’s far more likely to rile up middle-class, liberal America than if people with “exotic” names like 'Garcia" get deported. It sucks but it’s true, our country is built on a foundation of mildly xenophobic middle-class liberals who don’t really care what happens politically until they feel personally threatened, and at this point I really, really want them to feel the danger so there’s some chance of recovering this tragic slide back into the fucking dark-ages.
TIL that “Garcia” is an “exotic” name!
Just saying it out loud could get ICE knocking on your door.
If the administration starts persecuting white Americans, that’s far more likely to rile up middle-class
Does this matter at this point? What are middle class Americans going to do about it? Vote?
“Liberal America” isn’t a group of people in the abstract, these are our judges, our lawyers, our civil servants and our accountants and our food drivers. There is great power in that, which is why so many people desperate to hold onto their wealth for so long have worked so hard to make us all think that kind of power isn’t as good as money or fame. When it’s far, far more powerful.
Someone wrote a book about it once, spawned a few big movements. Might have heard of it.
Maybe it will be midterm votes, maybe it will be marches and protests, maybe it will be full on riots. Do not underestimate what happens when enough people start to worry about their safety, security and where their next meal will come from.
Someone wrote a book about it once, spawned a few big movements. Might have heard of it.
A few people wrote a few books, certainly.
Maybe it will be midterm votes, maybe it will be marches and protests, maybe it will be full on riots.
I mean, you’re describing the 2008 to 2016 arc for liberal Democrats. The problem is that eight years of voting, marching, protesting, and - ultimately - rioting only ever seemed to move Democrats to the right.
By the time Hillary’s failed 2008 bid had been resurrected, she was more hawkish than the “Oops, sorry, but I’m not sorry” candidate that lost to Obama eight years earlier. She was worse on civil rights. She was worse on public health care and education. She was worse on policing and immigration and trade and employment. She was worse on environmentalism. And she wasn’t alone.
All because the degree of lobbying and corporate media had amplified itself, to the point at which DC Dems were absolutely deafened by it.
I don’t see any of that changing. If anything, I see “Liberal America” increasingly tainted by the fascist fill inundating DC. More lay people are convinced MS-13 is around every corner and China is an existential threat to American Freedom^™. More media is plugging a liberalized version of libertarian capitalism, with privatized subscriptions for every public service. More revanchists popping up in liberal circles saying how Transgenderism is an attack on women’s rights and being a celebrity billionaire is the highest goal of any true feminist.
It’s fucking bleak out there
If I received a message like this, I would buy a plane ticket to a safe country and would apply for asylum immediately, and I would use the letter as a basis for the asylum application. It seems like a really strong basis for the application.
Define safe here, the only places I can think are Australia or New Zealand. The rest of the world is heavily messed up and falling head over hills for right wing sirens.
Australian here, we aren’t always fantastic either. NZ seems good, but they’ve had some weird shit going on from time to time as well. I’d probably go with them though.
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The giant spiders are Australian. I mean, it’s Australia, everything has two health bars. That said, there is a harmless but creepy-crawly-looking giant grasshopper-looking thing called a giant wētā that - like actual grasshoppers - likes to live in and lay its’ eggs in people’s backyards. Here, educate yourself!
If you hate bugs, I’d recommend heading to South America (make sure to check local political stability of each of the nations) and staying in a city, or heading to northern Canada and buying a tiny shack to ride this all out away from everyone else. Japan is a possibility but… fucking murder hornets. Literally in Tokyo suburbs.
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Fair enough, but if you’re on the internet post-2017 looking to reduce your stress, you’re in the wrong parts of the internet. Find a forum that’s been around since well before then on your hobbies (niche hobbies like old fandoms tend to have the best results), other than that social media killed the internet.
Both, but the ones in NZ aren’t poisonous, at least.
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To be fair the giant spiders are generally not venomous, they are fast as fuck though.
So you are alive when they start to eat you…
Fortunately, no. But they will probably eat the harmless giant grasshopper-things (wela) that also live in New Zealand backyards.
There’s also giant crickets in Africa, and several giant beetles in Japan. I swear I don’t remember where I learned all this, I’ve never even been to New Zealand or Australia or any of the other places (aside from South America).
I dunno, those giant spiders might prove a good deterrent should the likes of the not so dapper Don decide to come take the place by force.
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Canada’s doing ok. There’s a 75% chance that the next prime minister will be liberal, but our conservatives are also less crazy than Trump. Most Canadians hate Trump right now, so both sides are pretty much required to oppose Trump.
The US might invade us, but that’s true for a bunch of countries right now.
And hopefully we are all in agreement to vote ~smol pp~ into retirement.
I don’t like all of ~smol pp~'s policies, but at least they tell it like it is, you know? After ~big pp~'s growing scandal and flaccid campaign promises, I just want someone who has the stamina to keep this country erect for at least the next 3 years.
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You’re conservatives also is very Pro-Canada too, and before they were very Pro-Donald… until he started threatening Canada.
There’s this island full of penguins…
Great! Show me a country that will willingly take in someone who’s disabled, financially support them, and house them and I’ll fly there tomorrow – oh and they’ll need to cover the cost of the plane ticket too. I’m terrified of what’s coming for me as a “parasite” being on disability, Medicaid/Medicare, and HUD housing but I don’t have the finances to move elsewhere.
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What does the Hippocratic oath have to do with staying in the United States or leaving?
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Doesn’t the Hippocratic oath basically just say “Do no harm”? I don’t think you’re morally obligated to work.
In principle, yeah, but in practice all countries require re-qualification for doctors with diplomas obtained overseas. Medicine is one of the jobs that are hardest to move across national borders
That’s true, but the demand is still there, and for someone who already went through all the work of getting a PhD getting recertified isn’t that big of a deal comparatively.
yea, because MD schools might not be equivalent to those in UK/CANADA, AND USA. i heard its very hard to become a MD as an immigrant even if you have a license already, because they have those qualifications that might be above where you got your license from.
i think its different for a UK/CANADA doctor trying to become one in the US though. its very convoluted and overlycomplicated.
It can be hard to leave one’s family behind.
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Well sure, but your family may not wish to come with you. They might have a whole life in the united states they are unwilling to leave behind.
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That’s kids/adults, but consider instead 4 close siblings in their 30s with jobs, and they have to look after their aging parents.
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It isn’t politics, it’s GOP and fascist politics that ruined the US
And yet MAGA will wonder out loud why their doctors’ appointment wait times are getting longer and longer.
No they won’t, they’ll just blame the Democrats.
TRANS PEOPLE AND IMMIGRANTS ARE MAKING YOUR DOCTOR’S APPOINTMENTS TAKE LONGER TO SCHEDULE
done
many EU countries need MDs(probably best if your a speciality, and anuerosurgeon) they need to reverse the brain drain.
Time to muddy the waters. Everyone who is an immigrant (legal or illegal) when asked for an email address, find an email address of an executive at a large corporation and use that.
The last two I read weren’t immigrants, they are born in the U.S. with social security numbers and birth certificates. Well I’m assuming this one has those, being that she’s born and is a doctor here. Practicing doctors require background checks
honest question: did you respond to the wrong person?
No, their reply made perfect sense. We could just use repub official emails for EVERYBODY, not just immigrants, in order to mess up the system scraping this information for everybody and not just immigrants.
If they did, this is a f-ing miracle. Imma do it next time I sign up for a service that doesn’t require confirmation emails to change the address (they’re rare but there’s a few, lemmy/kbin instances are sometimes among them).
thats why scientists and MDs are the first to flee a dictatorship before shit hits the fan, and people were complaining they should stay and fight. they dint go to school and act like country bumpkins.
Why would you do the via email and not an official letter? People see it as spam or it might be the wrong email adres. Fucking amateurs.
Because none of the people in charge know what they are doing.
There is one good thing about this, if email is now official means of primary government communication, that means it’s a guaranteed right that has to be provided for free.
are you out of your mind? the only official channel of government communication is twitter (x)!
Only benefits for elderly people are done through Twitter, everyone else has to fax.
This is Truth Social erasure, and I will
notstand for it
Of course sending this letter to an American citizen in the first place is bad to begin with.
Because you’re governed by a fascist dictator who you have given unlimited authority to do whatever the fuck he chooses. And he is.
Because this is who the American people voted for.
Because this is all from DOGE bs. They probably did a mail merge and said, “if you did nothing wrong… ignore this email… but if you did, you got 7 days. Herp derp.”
We already knew Elon and Donald doesn’t know shit about the Federal Government since Day 1 and hired morons.
That’s just it. Our highest government institutions are now almost entirely by rank dipshits who don’t know how anything works. They’re worse than amateurs. At least amateurs know enough to understand their own shortcomings.
I think ICE should self deported, but that’s just me. Maybe we can start with Elon FuckStick since he overstayed his visa when he first came to the U.S.
At this point, I wish the ICE site to be hacked and prominent Rebublicans to be put on “the list”.
I would assume it’s a spam email and delete it. Are they really deporting people over email? Seems more like a postal letter kind of thing.
This is just the ammunition they’ll use when they put a bag over her head and send her to El Salvador.
“We told her she had 7 days to deport. She’s an immigrant with no due process. She didn’t listen. She’s now in CECOT. No, we can’t and/or won’t get her back, even if we’re ordered to do so.”
It’s blatant at this point.
Yep.
There’s a quote from her in the article pointing out the wording is scary for someone it’s “actually” meant for.
I think she doesn’t quite get yet that it was indeed “meant” for her, and that her citizenship doesn’t matter like she expects it to.
Cool. So when people come abduct me, I’ll shoot until I’m free or in an American court to actually have a chance to speak for my freedom.
Way to play it Nazis. I have no recourse but to shoot on sight.
If they can use a ‘feared for my life and safety’ argument, then so can I.
This is exactly what will need to happen. Eventually citizens will have to draw weapons on ICE and tell them to leave, or fire upon them. It is infinitely better to risk being arrested and have that day in court than be vanished while the nazi administration refuses court orders to return you to the US. That is 100% self defense imo.
If I have to die, I want it to be in a Ruby Ridge style siege
Giving them a warning will get you killed.
How the fuck are they getting email addresses? This is rife for abuse but I suppose that’s the point.
This part is chilling:
Anderson has been carrying her U.S. passport on her at all times since receiving the email and is seeking an immigration attorney.
There was a news report of another citizen who carried their passport but ICE confiscated it saying it was fake.
Do you think a brown person (regardless of where they were born) is capable of such a cavalier attitude in that situation? Check your privilege.
