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- privacyguides@lemmy.one
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- privacyguides@lemmy.one
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We were told it was not optional coming home from an international flight last month. However, our toddler was with us and nervous and they said we could opt out for him. I said great, thanks. Picked him up while we were talking and I wasn’t really thinking about where I was holding him. The agent looked over, smiled and said hi to get their attention, and I saw him take the image, seconds after we verbally opted out. Sigh.
My dumb ass thought I could do this at immigration. Partner loved me asking
If you’re a US citizen, you probably can.
Nope, you cannot
You can, the officer will probably ignore your request though. Here’s the sign from the article:
Ah yeah I saw this that’s why I asked. Thanks for sharing
This never stops them breaking the law, more fake privacy. Start with what you can control, like your apps.
I’m legitimately surprised at the amount of actual morons in this thread popping out with the ol “They already have it why not just make it as easy as possible for them to continually keep an updated database of your current facial appearance?”.
Same vein as “I have nothing to hide so privacy invasions are fine!”. Fuck off with this cattle-ass mindset.
Fascinating how many “people” here are saying it’s ok, “you’re already on camera”, "your picture is on your ID "…
And? I’ll still say no.
Every time I opt out I am mysteriously pulled aside for a “randomized check.”
I opt out whenever I travel and I get random checks about 4/5 times now. I definitely don’t flag on this scale either.
That’s odd. I opted out and was met with no fuss whatsoever. Might have just been lucky.
That is lucky. It is every time for me, and I am pasty white.
Might be the airport too. The one nearby the TSA agents are quite chill in comparison with others I’ve been to in the past.
Last time I tried to opt out of the face scan the TSA agent literally laughed in my face, the rule of law is a joke in this country.
Insist.
My question is does opt out keep them from imaging your id in any way? Because my id already has my photo.
Probably not. But you have the right to opt out, so you should. Don’t make it any more convenient for them to violate your rights than you have to, and if someone proves they’re retaining data illegally, you could join a class action lawsuit.
If you comply, you might save a few minutes. Is that really worth it?
Didn’t take any extra time for me to opt out in SFO. It was a quick and he just took an extra 2 seconds to stare at my ID and face.
I mean the convenience is worth it when the commodity is valueless. They got that when I applied for passport at the federal level and drivers license at the state level. Some folks give facebook a whole bunch and out all their relatives.
Some folks give facebook a whole bunch and out all their relatives.
So request that they don’t. Privacy isn’t and end state, it’s a process. Insist at every turn and maybe we’ll get somewhere. Maybe not, but we certainly won’t without trying.
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what they might do rather than what they are doing, which is not keeping the pics taken at kiosks
Do you have proof of that? I personally don’t trust what law enforcement says. They have already proven themselves incompetent and to have no respect for the law, what more reason do I need to not trust them?
Even if I do believe them, making things inconvenient for the police is just a small way for me to get back at them for making my life inconvenient. If enough people push back and slow TSA to a crawl, they’ll reconsider the policy.
The current admin is utilizing IRS data for deportation efforts and the USPS for data collection in furtherance of those same efforts. Why would collection of facial recognition data from the TSA be any different?
The TSA site specifically says that the photos are not stored. AI training data generated from the “live” photo(s) they take would be just as useful to them for the things people should be worried about and there’s no mention of them not storing that data.
Is that even something they do though? Or just another “but they could” argument?
It’s a “but they could.” The fact they are doing the comparison means there’s some sort of machine learning/AI going on which would have to generate some sort of dataset to function. So if they weren’t going to store any of that data they could say so instead of only saying “photos” won’t be stored.
The site does later say “Biometrics are not used for surveillance – Facial recognition technology is solely used to automate the current manual ID credential checking process and will not be used for surveillance or any law enforcement purpose.” (so they do seems to understand the difference between “photos” and “biometrics”) but things can change and the possible existence of such data would make it much easier to end up legally/illegally being used for such things than if it doesn’t exist.
You don’t need to provide a reason, you just have to say you choose to opt out.
Frankly with how easily this administration attempts to skirt the law, and defy judges that tell them to knock it off, I would not trust that the TSA is always deleting the photos that they’re supposed to.
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I’m a bit confused at the technology here…or the logic.
They say they don’t store your photo. So how does taking a photo prove anything if there’s no data to compare it to?
they are comparing it to the id.
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Does this also apply to the face scans they ask U.S. citizens to do when passing the Canadian border?
If it’s into Canada, I don’t think you have that option. If it’s into the US, then yeah, they have to let you enter, so I assume refusing face scans is allowed. They can certainly detain you, but you have rights. IANAL though, and YMMV depending on the color of your skin and/or accent, unfortunately.
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