Summary
Germany’s domestic intelligence agency declared the far-right Alternative for Germany (AfD) party a “proven right-wing extremist organization,” citing Holocaust trivialization, Nazi slogans, and anti-immigrant rhetoric.
This marks the first time a federally represented party has been labeled extremist.
U.S. Republicans, including Secretary of State Marco Rubio and Vice President J.D. Vance, condemned the move. Rubio called it “tyranny in disguise” and praised the AfD’s popularity, while Elon Musk said banning the “centrist AfD” would be “an extreme attack on democracy.”
The AfD recently won 152 seats and over 20% of the vote.
if you sit down at a table of 7 nazis, there are 8 nazis at that table. AfD is nazis. if MAGA wants to defend nazis, MAGA is nazis
Okay that doesn’t make sense. MAGA are big boys capable of being Nazis completely on their own merits; they’re not some Nazi-by-association chumps.
obviously. but the reason they’re willing to associate with nazis is because they’re nazis.
It’s just one more point of evidence
My guy, they’re doing sieg heils in front of the nation. Their opinion about AfD is the least important “are they Nazis” qualifier about MAGA.
i know! i’m just saying this is why they’re jumping in to help AfD. it’s because they’re fucking nazis.
Hey man, I just sat at the table so that I could observe how they liked the specially seasoned soup course…
Nazis are unhappy Germany is labelling Nazis as extremists
aslo he’s demonstrating 0 understanding of what “centrist” means
No, he’s trying to normalize them by denying their extremism.
i know
He obviously knows. It’s on purpose.
i know. the truth is whatever we make it, and he’s trying to make us make it stupid
Or what “most popular” means
AfD wants genocide while still wanting to appear respectable. That’s centrism, at least in the US.
oof but also true apparently
Orange Chamberlain, LA-Z-Boy Vance and Golden Handcuffs Rubio honestly believe they are well adjusted moral individuals and it would never cross their mind for a second that hanging around Dictators or praising self identified Nazis while deporting people to foreign prisons might not be a super Jesus thing to do.
Well, from Hitler’s point of view, Hitler was in the centre of everything. Musk sees it like that.
Are they really doing a “heil Hitler” greeting over the children in the poster?
They really don’t care to hide anymore…Well, at least it should be easier to know, who deserves to eat a fist
Their slogan for the election was “Alice für Deutschland”, meaning Alice for Germany with Alice being Alice Weidel, the party co-chairman and chancellor candidate. Seems like a predictable sounding nationalist slogan that also aligns well with their party name, until you realise it’s actually a serendipitous pun on the Nazi slogan “alles für Deutschland”, a phrase which is banned in Germany. The pronunciation of the two phrases in German is virtually identical. There’s dog whistles, and then there’s foghorns.
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Time for the USA to do the same with the GOP
unfortunately the gop is in near total control right now, and possibly in perpetuity
I heard somewhere that nothing lasts forever…
But there can be a long time before it stops if you’re just waiting for it to collapse by itself.
Sure. But we’ll be dead until that happens.
One of my lawyer friends was telling me there’s not really a legal mechanism in the US to just like dissolve an organization like the GOP.
So they just labelled it? Hopefully that means some sort of action can be taken now?
Yes. This is actually a fairly big step. All of the previous attempts to ban the AfD have been thrown out because of the lack of a ruling like this.
It’s sadly not a ruling yet, it’s a assesment by an intelligence agency, which now can use more tools to surveil the afd. And hopefully we get a court case to ban the afd soon, but for this we need either the government, bundestag or bundesrat to start proceedings.
As far as I understand, the domestic intelligence agency declaring the AfD as rightwing extremist and the party being outlawed are two independent things. It could have been outlawed prior to this decision, and it will not necessarily be outlawed even with the decision. However, the intelligence service now has greater authority to observe and wiretap AfD members.
Of course, the fact that the party is now officially declared as Nazi scum should hopefully embolden the parliament to start the necessary processing to outlaw them.
No, they’ve been thrown out because our political landscape collectively is too afraid to stand up to fascists. Karlsruhe has more than hinted at the fact that they would rule in favor of banning the AfD yet nothing is being done.
Before that, the AfD was labeled only “suspected extremist” (with some sub-structures being already “confirmed extremist”); Now, the whole party is “confirmed extremist”, which gives a lot of powers to the government and the agencies.
For example, before, as a political party, they were (partially) financed by the government (every regular party gets money from the government depending on the outcome of the votes, in order to enable them to be politically active) - donations are on top of this, but they are much more limited and regulated than e.g. in the US. Now this money source can be cut.
Eavesdropping orders on a normal political party are between hard and impossible to achieve (like a client-lawyer privilege thing); a classification of “confirmed extremist” makes this much easier. Same for house searches or similar things. Doing this to members of parliament still needs revocation of the immunity, but that is easier to get, and anyone else in the party is not protected like this, anyway.
No the AfD has not done some unspeakable act of horror such as holding up a Palestinian flag. Or say “from the river to the sea Palestine will be free”. That would be cause to disband them and label them a terror group within a day.
The AfD has only does Sieg Heils which is okay with German liberals.
Legally, the only thing that happened is that the BfV can now use their whole toolbox of covert instruments against the AfD. The federal government, parliament, or a majority of states can always starts proceedings before the constitutional court to ban a party. Of course you don’t want to do that if you have a flimsy case, but in principle there’s no requirements at all.
Politically, it means that politicians have less of an excuse to not open proceedings.
Side note I doubt those 1100 pages are all the BfV has on the party: In their press release (the actual report is still classified) they only mentioned the AfD attacking human dignity, while for a court case you’d definitely also want to argue the wanting to dismantle democracy part, and if that was in the 1100 pages then the press release would’ve included language saying so (that’s just how bureaucracy works in Germany, summaries don’t randomly leave stuff out).
The ones who called themselves domestic terrorists don’t seem to like being called extremist…?
The title isn’t very good. The Bundesamt für Verfassungsschutz (BfV, Office for the Protection of the Constitution) found the party AfD to be “proven right-wing extremist”, not the far right in general. The BfV doesn’t look at parts of the political spectrum, they look at specific organisations.
Other parts of the far right are evaluated separately. The party NPD was almost banned before (only didn’t happen because the court ultimately found they were too small to be a danger to the constitution). “Der III Weg” and “Identitäre Bewegung” are evaluated separately. “Die Rechte” was evaluated separately but recently disbanded.
This sort of precision is important, because it shows that there is an orderly process in defence of democracy happening, and not just a random repression of viewpoints as Rubio would have you believe.
Fuck yeah. maga need to be categorized as a terrorist organization EVERYWHERE.
“You can’t just ban everybody who wants to work with us all over the world!”
“Why not, I thought you opposed globalism?”
To know you’re doing something correct when Felon Muck thinks it’s a bad idea.
“…attack on democracy” Christ on a-fucking-bike. Just to have the nerve to say that our loud after what he’s done shows that he deserves a long swim from a short (barely used) rope. The absolute gall on that cunt is astonishing.
Every developed country needs to reject and banish the far right. Espousing hate is not a valid political position, it’s pure malicious intent.
“Tyranny in disguise”
More projection by the Talibangelicals. Except their disguise sucks.
