They really are at an impasse. Do they do the right thing for the good of their constituents or do they continue to line their pockets with corporate
bribesdonations?Response C: Both, spend 1 year pretending they care right before the election, then spend 4 year lining their pocket 👍
I think the problem is that you need money and corporate support to win an election in america.
Its circular…or cyclical…or something… I don’t know.
He isn’t wrong. If they hadn’t pushed a senile 81 year old incumbent leader upon us as their candidate, in a blatant attempt to parachute an unpopular vice president into power once the 25th Amendment had to inevitably be invoked, then we would never have had a second Trump term.
Biden should never have ran for a second term, and allowed time for the Democrats to field a decent candidate for the White House. The fact that Harris literally lost to somebody who tried to stir up an insurrection against Congress four years ago says it all.
How do you complain about an old man in power while asking for Bernie? As a non American I don’t comprehend this
He is the singular exception to all of our complaints about age, although we do still complain about his age. He gets a pass because he’s been doing the work for decades.
Translation: ‘Yes, but this doesn’t count because fuck you.’
Use aoc as an example, pass the torch, stop counting on ancient fossils to save you, that’s the republican platform.
I agree with him, but that doesn’t mean I think he should be president. While I really like the idea of him as president in theory, I do feel that he is too old and that there are too many risks associated with that. We should have age limits regardless of who’s running. But I think he’d make a great advisor to a president regardless—that way if he takes a turn for the worse it doesn’t put the country in any sort of jeopardy.
I would so be up for president AOC with VP Bernie
Aye that would be acceptable. If you twist my arm, I guess
No one is asking for Bernie as president anymore-- he’s clearly too old. But we like his speeches and party leadership.
Bernie is a whole lot more compos mentis than Biden ever was.
The right time to elect him would’ve been 2016…
Because they don’t want solutions, they want to complain.
It’s arguing in bad faith
They don’t have a legitimate reason for their candidate over a different one so they just repeat fox news talking points
Bernie has the greatest leverage in a potential third party, though with the system we have I think it’ll just lead to the left losing again because of a voter split.
Assuming the elections will be fair with trump around, he effectively bypassed court already, he can adjust procedures to solidify his successor
he or AOC could announce their third party run now and demand the democratic left get behind them in advance
form a coalition with them or else.
I’ve long wondered why the populist democrats haven’t been pushing harder for ranked choice voting options, or proportional representation, or any other voting system than what we have. I’m no election expert, so I’m sure there’s a reason, but it’s disheartening to be trapped between two parties.
The Democrats in charge benefit from the status quo. It’s that simple. They would prefer to let Republicans win elections if the only other option is letting a pro worker candidate win.
I try not to be terribly pessimistic. But a part of me knows you’re right.
i say they benefit from Rs winning, because they get to grift as much as the gop, without getting the blame of the disastrous policies the gop enacts every election cycle. and when it comes time for Ds to get elected, they benefit/grift even more. THE CULTURE WAR BS is just to distract republicans and to an extent some dem voters from them noticing orchestrating this behind the scenes as a uniparty, by extension also to protect thier billionaire donors. sanders, aoc, MAYBE walz? are totally outsiders and are not privelieged to the grift of the dnc and gop.
Even whitmer recently have been seen shilling for trump, lowkey wise.(she entertained him twice to work with him)
it also kinda make sense why a lot of dems are also DINOS too.
Because they’ll lose power too. I live in blue Oregon and it was on the ballot in November, but both parties came out against it with nonsense about how popular candidates will lose, your votes will be stolen, etc, etc and it was resoundly defeated. All their rhetoric about helping the working class are blatant lies they tell you to get elected which is why we’ve been on a steady downward trend as a country for decades regardless of which of these “two” sides hold office.
its a threat to them thats why, as it is also a threat to the republicans.
The outcome would be no worse than the last election, so why not go for it anyway?
Bernie is the best positioned to get serious traction in a 3rd party in relatively short order. It’s one of my greatest wishes that he utilize the influence he has now to do just that, because the Dems are absolutely a lost cause and they will never provide a way out of fascism.
unfortunately hes like 80+years old right now, so are people willing to vote for someone that old.
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The episode opened with Schulz introducing Sanders as having been “mocked, sidelined, and betrayed—and that’s just by his own party,”
Well that’s the thing, the Democrats aren’t “his own party”. Sanders is totally OK with being an Independent right up until it comes time to run for President.
The DNC saw/see him as an outsider, not a Democrat, which is also a fair statement.
That doesn’t make his statement incorrect. They view him as an outsider because both the Democrats and Republicans are right wing parties and he isn’t right wing.
the dems are center right, and the republicans are far right.
Calling all dems right wing is a stretch. There are more left candidates and members, see AOC. But yeah, the dems are mostly a centrist/right party now.
Compared to the political spectrum in other countries, all dems are 110% right of center.
I’d argue that it doesn’t really matter if some elected members hold leftist views because they’re ignored and pushed to the side by the rest of the party at every turn.
I didn’t read the article or listen to podcast. Just came to say 2 party system doesn’t work. Thank you. Cheers.
Worked pretty well for the capitalists and fascists.
well hey used to it, several red states passed laws banning rank choice voting
Nothing like clickbait headlines using a right-wing podcaster to put words in Bernie’s mouth.
Oh, Return2Ozma? Who would’ve guessed.
Who’s the right wing podcaster? If you think it’s Benny Boy, that’s not his website.
Who’s the right wing podcaster? If you think it’s Benny Boy, that’s not his website.
Who the fuck is “Benny Boy”?
Andrew Schulz is a conservative.
Ben Shapiro, I thought that was a more common nickname.
Why would he be relevant here, though.
Someone else here thought The Daily Beast was The Daily Wire. I was trying to ensure you weren’t thinking of the wrong publication. Thank you for saying who the right winger is.
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Yeah a little too late Bernie. You’ll tell us to vote for Gavin Newsom/Liz Cheney 2028 as well. The modern Dem party is an enrichment cult.
And he’d be right to, if the alternative is MAGA.
But this is the buf problem un US politics. Of course you should vote against Trump, and of course even the most questionable Democrat is preferable to Trump. But with only two options, that seems to have lead the Democrats to think they don’t even have to try anymore. They keep drifting further to the right, instead of running a credible opposition.
The US desperately needs more options, but the system is rigged to allow only two credible parties. To change, there are only two options: seize control of the Democratic Party, primary every lackluster candidate, until the DNC can’t ignore that people demand better. Or start a new grassroots party, but it would have to be universally seen as the only way to get change, it needs to be massively funded to take on the machines of the other two parties, and convince the American voter that they really can win in this system that’s rigged against the people.
Primarying is certainly the more likely option, but you need to do it everywhere.
With his recent moves you couldn’t pay me to vote for Gavin
He’s absolutely right with this current Democratic party and it’s shitty leadership.
I’m shocked .world is keeping this one up.
Because Sanders isn’t a Real Progressive^TM and actually smart enough to acknowledges one can both be critical of the current Democratic party and leadership while accepting the reality in actual daily life in America and its citizens.
However, Sanders did strongly disagree with one of his host’s points when Schulz expressed disappointment that, despite being sidelined by the establishment, Sanders continued to back Democratic nominees like Hillary Clinton in 2016 and Kamala Harris in 2024.
Sanders got cheated and still worked for the winners. Sanders did more speeches for Clinton than he did for himself on the campaign tour. Sanders knew that the DNC was the only major party that had a major chance defeat Trump.
Yeah, the Democratic leadership is completely corrupt and inept at this point and they did every every progressive presidential candidate dirty these past decade. And yeah it’s really sad and sickening that even now they’re thrashing like crazy and doing everything they can to resist progressive influence, trying to keep their wealthy donors happy, look at what their trying to do with Hogg.
But yeah, I do really agree with Sanders that Democrats, with all of their major character and leadership flaws, realistically is the only way to beat Trump and the Republicans.
Ew is this more ‘but both sides’ crap?
Criticizing the DNC for their repeated, deliberate failings, or the consequences thereof, is not “both-siding”. The lesser evil doesn’t get a pass for being lesser, especially when it could be doing much, much more to combat the obvious greater evil, but chooses not to.
This isn’t a problem with the dems.
This is a problem with voters who fucked this up and then pathetically blame things that aren’t themselves. Dems can’t bail you out if you don’t vote them to fix it. So blaming them now is futile.
Grow the fuck in and Own your fuck up.
More of a “Republicans are running a fucking circus” and “Most Democrats seem to sit idly by as the clowns are running the circus”.
Dems are outnumbered in congress. You cant expect them to pass anything.
Vote better. This entire fuck up is on voters. not on ‘dems’. Own your responsibility in this.
Oh they are passing things. They are voting with republicans on republican goals.
I expect them to filibuster everything. They have filibustered nothing. In Cory Booker’s case, he literally filibustered nothing. His “filibuster” blocked no specific legislation or appointee.
Bernie, a notorious independent.
Bernie is red fash.
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