• @Vespair@lemm.ee
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    I agree with the sentiment that loli shit is disgusting, but the problem is that so many of you sexless prudes go in looking for shit to be offended by and start projecting onto shit that’s fine. Like the character Kusano in Sekirei is fully gross, a disgusting pedo-bait character that simply should not exist in the story, period. That shit should absolutely be rallied against.

    But then y’all bring up shit like Momo from MHA like it’s the same thing. It’s fucking not, at all. A post or near post-adolescent character wearing titillating attire in much the same way that comparable real life pop stars do is just not even remotely on the same level as actual children being depicted as sexual viable partners, especially in the context of a story like MHA where the protag is a literal high schooler expressing romantic interest in his age-appropriate peers.

    And “glorifying unhealthy relationships” is fine enough critique I suppose but one that hardly applies solely, or even primarily, to manga and anime.

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    Reposting from the last time this subject came up

    Bolded titles are my top recs. Series listed in chronological order of my seeing them:

    Steins;Gate (correction: episode 8 unfortunately has one character grope another one. Everyone rightfully calls him out for being a creepass)

    Castlevania (shut up yes it is)

    Vivy: Fluorite Eyes Song

    Violet Evergarden (not the movie)

    Hyouka (skip the ova)

    Belle

    A Silent Voice

    Baccano

    Deca-dence

    Trigun

    Akudama Drive

    ACCA: 13 Territory Inspection Dept.

    Fullmetal Alchemist

    Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood

    Spy Family

    Mushishi

    5 Centimeters Per Second

    Afro Samurai

    Your Lie In April

    Nichijou

    Odd Taxi

    Cowboy Bebop

    Canaan

    Sk8 the Infinity

    Supercrooks

    Bocchi the Rock

    House of Five Leaves

    Weathering With You

    Haibane Renmei

    Samurai Flamenco

    BNA

    Redline

    Planetes

    Last Exile

    Witch Hunter Robin

    Noir

    Wolf’s Rain

    Boogiepop Phantom

    Boogiepop And Others

    Ghost In The Shell (all timelines)

    Niea_7

    Serial Experiments Lain

    Megalo Box

    Bakumatsu Kikansetsu Irohanihoheto

    Samurai Champloo

    Bubblegum Crisis

    Ergo Proxy

    Read Or Die (OVA and The TV)

    Madlax

    Moribito

    Xam’d: Lost Memories

    Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind

    Kyousougiga

    Orb: On the Movements of the Earth

    Cyberpunk Edgerunners

    Sonny Boy

    Kiki’s Delivery Service

    Thus concludes the exhaustive list of animes I’ve watched where I didn’t have to put up with any sexualization of minors

  • missingno
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    There’s a lot of terrible anime, but there’s also a lot of fantastic anime. There’s a lot of anime.

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        Not at all “just like.” You don’t have to wade through 90% of literary fiction or Hollywood films in order to find a handful of titles that don’t sexualize children or are otherwise fucking gross.

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          You do have to do that to find a handful of titles that aren’t displaying blatant racism, misogyny, homophobia and/or transphobia. So, yeah, 90% of Hollywood films are in fact fucking gross.

          • @WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca
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            How does it feel to intentionally make a dishonest false equivalence that you, I, and everyone reading knows is bullshit? I’d feel weird about it, even if I didn’t have a ton of self-respect.

            • @MotoAsh@lemmy.world
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              Nah, it’s not BS. Hollywood just doesn’t glorify the same exact types of tripe, but they are just as hit and miss on moral purity. Especially if a vapid, brainless, and underdeveloped plot are considered bad. Then Hollywood might have anime beat on shit vs gold with its mountains of brainless executive-driven scripts…

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        mainstream amine maybe, but there is A LOT of anime out there.

        your comment is like saying that Hollywood only ever made super hero movies.

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        Nah… Maybe the vast majority of what you watch but there’s so many out there spanning decades.

        Astro Boy. Samurai Pizza Cats. Ergo Proxy. Ninja Scroll. Akira. Ghost in the Shell. Cowboy Bebop. Battle Angel Alita. Yowamushi Pedal.

        On and on it goes…

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        Vast majority? Eh, maybe. I watch a crazy amount of anime, and I’ve only had a few of the shows I’m interested in pull that, and typically I just don’t continue watching. The one trope that I really dislike that gets shoehorned into almost any anime is the over-infatuation of a sibling. I’m not talking incest or anything, but for some reason there’s almost always a character who is obsessed with their sister/brother, and it weirds me out. Not enough to stop watching if the anime is otherwise good, but definitely enough to stop watching if the anime is just soso.

        Now, oversexualization of adult characters? That’s almost unavoidable. I tend to just ignore it, until I show an anime to someone who hasn’t seen anime before and then I’m hyper aware of it. That’s why when introducing people to anime I usually pick Death Note or Fullmetal Alchemist. These anime have a good dose of the anime goofiness, but very little fanservice, almost none.

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        If you’ve been keeping count, I’m curious to see your data.

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    An no fan service/no upskirt/cleavage shots.

    And no racist depictions.

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      I was going to say Knights of Sydonia, but in not sure all of those are strictly followed. At least there’s nothing overt. And a fantastic sci-fi to boot.

      Edit: started re-watching on a lark and there’s A LOT more overt fan service than I remembered. At least it passes the Bechdel Test.

    • Ranking of kings, erased, the promised neverland, deca-dence, fullmetal alchemist, pokemon.

      You might find some examples but the themes dont really lend to that.

      If what you really wanted was of list of animes to avoid let’s start with Basilisk.

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      I think most of my list applies

      Maybe without

      Steins;Gate because of that scene where a guy gropes a girl (though everyone rightfully calls him out for being a creep)

      Castlevania because sex scene

      Akudama Drive because Doctor is heavily sexualized

      Fullmetal Alchemist because Lust is Lust

      Cowboy Bebop because Faye is kinda sexualized

      Supercrooks because the intro (which is a bop and you should listen to it anyway)

      Redline because of one scene with boobs

      Ghost In The Shell because boobs

      Niea_7 because the very racist Indian stereotype

      Bubblegum Crisis because boobs

      Read Or Die because cleavage

      Cyberpunk Edgerunners because nudity (it’s Cyberpunk lol)

      That looks like a lot of exceptions, but it’s only 12 out of 57 shows/movies

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        To be clear; nudity is fine, just not all-the-time, male-gaze shots put in akin to commercial breaks. Like Gurren Lagan; someone told me to try that one and ye gods the amount of times it was about boobs was ridiiiiiculous.

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      I hate this, e.g. the pairing of Buffy with the 400-year-old Angel. Vampire romance stories are full of this shit and it’s so creepy.

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          Honestly the century old vampire entrancing pretty young women is a standard vampire story trope. See just about every vampire story.

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          The depiction of pedophilia is not against the law as far as I’m aware. Not in Canada at least. I don’t really think Buffy the Vampire Slayer should be banned.

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        I like the story of afrutera but the female lead is a child like several hundred year old girl. Male lead is a teen schoolboy and they bang… Also added a other female protagonist to the party that’s well endowed because boobs.

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          I like parts of this show but it is just super generic harem anime a lot of the time and not really that good.

          Minor compliant:

          Like with

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          Annoint

          being

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          a new body for that one healer

          I feel like they explained away “And we can reverse it so no harm done”, the protagonists win by miles every time and never have any setbacks.

          Major complaint:

          One time I literally paused the show, it was when they get this random dude in the desert.

          He’s in the backseat of the truck and I paused it thinking “why is this scene wrong”

          That’s like the only time I remember a guy ever being in the backseat, it’s like only ever been female love-interests that are part of his (not-a-)harem. They have so many characters (literally the whole class got isekai’d) but no one gets much screen time unless they’re Yue or a girl with a huge bust that gets added to the not-a-harem

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            Yeah I get you.

            What I like is the fact that the protagonist has a underrated skill and ends up using his earth knowledge and creation skills to make fun shit.

            Crafting with the combination of magic and tech is uncommon. Also under dog struggled to survive. He’s not OP out of the gate. Lost his arm early on and ate rotten meat to survive. Not sure I’d survive the shit he went through in the beginning.

            It gets real generic and fan service-y after the setup. Also the “underage” vampire…

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              The setup is better than say, Solo Leveling, but once its done it gets a lot blander just like Solo Leveling.

              Granted Solo Leveling has way more issues and is 90% carried by good animation.

              I also think the protagonist from Arifureta has a really cool niche ability but it really is not used creatively. For all intents and purposes after the first dungeon his power is “gun” (with “gun” being flexible) and sometimes vehicles or a shield, all of which he got from first dungeon iirc.

              It’s creative in a sense that he made firearms out of essentially just magic and knowledge but like… it never evolved past that. Hell I’d take a dust explosion every once in a while or something, thermite, acid. But the focus was “aura” and edginess rather than a compelling or clever protagonist.

              That said I still plan to finish the newest season and will prob watch whatever comes out next. The aesthetic got me and ig thats the point

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      Maybe because I got into anime from Toonami and adult swim, but I never been subjected nor had an interest in this kind of anime. It always seems corny. Then again I’m more of a sci fi/space/giant robot kind of guy. The space colonies that are like biodome like cities are the coolest

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    I find that if you want good anime recommendations, the recommendation must come from someone that doesn’t like anime. Anime fans tend to be really out of touch with certain baselines… like not being an open pervert.(I’ve seen that hentai hoodie, don’t lie.) Also people who don’t like anime can distinguish between “good for an anime” and “good”.

    So I offer mine: Cyberpunk Edgerunners and Spirited Away.

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    Working in manga, the amount of titles I have to throw out of consideration for licensing because of these issues is insane

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    • JoJo’s Bizarre Adventure (Please start on part one)
    • Outlaw Star
    • Trigun
    • Cowboy Bebop
    • Space Dandy
    • Panty and Stocking with Garderbelt
    • Mob Psycho 100
    • Samurai Champloo
    • Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood
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    I’ve been keeping my eye out for anime I can watch with my early teen daughter, and the intersection between good anime and anime that doesn’t require ample amounts of jiggle physics is fairly small.

    The list is pretty much:

    • Mashle
    • Dragon Goes House Hunting
    • Cells at Work
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      Yeah, it’s definitely hard. A couple I can think of:

      • Tri-Gun
      • Delicious in Dungeon
      • Dr. Stone
      • Cowboy Bebop
      • Fullmetal Alchemist (I think is mostly safe)
      • DBZ (Mostly safe, I think Dragonball has some questionable stuff)
      • Komi can’t communicate (relationships seem mostly okay)
      • One punchman
      • Mon Pyscho
      • Steins Gate
      • Kinos Journey

      The real issue is finding an anime that doesn’t oversexualize anyone and still has lead female characters. If you’re looking for early teen I think the US actually makes better shows:

      • Gravity Falls
      • Amphibia
      • Star vs Forces of evil
      • Infinity Train
      • Young Justice

      There’s more I could recommend, but for a teenager daughter those all probably have better plot, character development, and female leads than most of what I can think of for anime (although being a guy there are probably a number of anime I’m just not aware of).

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        I just wanna point out that while cowboy bebop is incredible, Fae Valentine’s outfit is skimpy to the point that she’s wandering around with her shorts unbuttoned in basically every scene where she’s not in a disguise (and she’s only staying in that top through the power of double-sided tape). By modern standards it’s really not great towards the women characters (except possibly ed).

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          Oh yeah, but I guess I was giving it a pass cause it goes both ways. Both the women and men have ridiculous designs.

          Also, even though they definitely feel sexual, the actual dialogue doesn’t focus on it too much (at least from what I can recall). It helps that the main character is really only interested in science.

          Edit: It also has the issue that pretty much every major character is a guy.

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            Edit: It also has the issue that pretty much every major character is a guy.

            Yeah, is always annoying when you’ve got the trope of

            • The explorer
            • The warrior
            • The inventor
            • The girl

            Like gender is a class and not half the population.

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              Doesn’t that count for a lot of artists?

              Pretty sure in Japan it’s a trope that mangaka would do Hentai dude projects under a different name. I would judge an anime/manga on its content, and not by something unrelated.

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        Komi-san is a great show whenever one particular character is not onscreen, but the parts where that character is onscreen mean I don’t think it can go on this list.

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            Yamai Ren. The character whose entire gimmick is that her horrible behavior is played off with “it’s funny because she’s a lesbian.”

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        Damn, you beat me to it. Mushi Shi is an unfinished masterpiece and severely underrated. I had some I wanted to add to this list, but honestly some have blood and such which I don’t know exactly what you’d want for an early teens daughter. I would have recommended Delicious in Dungeon, but there are some dismemberment scenes and it sort of downplays death, as you can and can’t die in the dungeon. Lemme try to see what I can dig up from my history though.

        • Kimi ni Todoke - It is romance, but its so fluffy and goes lightly into what bullying can do to people as well as showing that people are not always who they seem on the outside. Touches on judging others, but remains extremely lighthearted.
        • Saiki K - One of the few anime that has made me legitimately laugh. It’s nonsensical and good for most ages. I’m usually a romance buff, but this one drew me in when I curiously watched the first episode.
        • Spice and Wolf - I watched the original and started the remake. I think either should be fine. Great adventure story with a bit of romance.
        • Ballroom Youkoso - So this will fall a bit into the unhealthy relationships. I can’t remember if there was any nudity, but it does stem from the viewpoint of a hormonal teenage boy. However, the art of the dancing is absolutely stunning. Just beware the necks. Iirc, there are crazy long necks in this one, lol.
        • Yuri on Ice - Similar to Ballroom Youkoso, but has a bit of an unhealthy relationship as a side story, iirc. I haven’t seen it all, just a bit of it and can’t remember much. I really enjoyed the skating scenes, which are very similar to the dancing scenes in Ballroom. It is a boys’ love, but that’s not the main point of the anime.
        • Spy x Family - Haven’t seen it all, but what I have seen is great and seems good for younger generations.
        • Arakawa Under the Bridge - Okay, this may be a bit much at times, but damn if its not hilarious and mysterious. There is some non-showy nudity, I think, but its more like bathing and such, nothing extreme.
        • Dr. Stone - This should be all around a good pick for multiple ages. Apocalyptic scenario with reinventing the wheel as the theme.
        • Cells at Work! - Another one I’ve seen little of, but it was pretty good and teaches a fair bit about the internal human anatomy.
        • Silver Spoon - Anime based around farming. It’s a happy little anime with a bit of serious undertones for the background of the characters. Made by the creator of Full Metal Alchemist. I would also recommend FMA, but there may be some parts of that anime that could be a bit scary for younger teens.
        • Komi Can’t Communicate - Another good romance base. It starts around misunderstandings and the fear of speaking in public, but devolves later into just a regular slapstick romcom. However, that’s mostly in the manga where it goes far beyond the anime.
        • My Hero Academia - I did get into this for a bit, but it sorta fell off my radar for no particular reason.
        • Frieren: Journey’s End - Have not watched all of this, but the first 3 episodes were amazing and the story is endearing as well as very emotional. A great adventure with a touch of tragedy, but it seems well recommended for all ages.

        I have many more, but I have watched a disgusting amount of anime and can’t remember everything. I’ve been watching anime and reading manga since 2006, lol. Please, anyone correct me on any of these. My memory is hazy, especially when it comes to older anime I watched a long time ago.

      • 2ugly2live
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        There are concubines, brothels, and child sexual abuse in that one. Not the most racy depictions, but still 🤷🏿‍♀️

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            To be honest, everyone in the brothel (except for one character that’s not seen often) seems to be vibing and happy with their professions. Some even openly say they like their jobs, so it’s not all doom and gloom. Maomao herself seems indifferent to the possibility of her joining the brothel as a working girl. The child abuse is not shown explicitly, but it is talked about pretty often and it’s pretty blunt about what happened and the reprocussions of it. So nothing graphic, just some busty women here and there.

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      If you’re specifically looking for shows to watch with your daughter, I would highly recommend Little Witch Academia for that demographic.

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      There’s a number of shoujo anime that would fit your list, but it doesn’t make it overseas because the majority of the foreign fan base doesn’t like it. There’s also a bunch of BL anime and manga that is popular in Japan, but not outside for the same reason. For example, take a look at “Aishiteruze Baby”

    • It’s been a while since I’ve seen some of these, so you should probably look into them before watching with your kid, but hopefully it’s a good starting point

      Vivy: Fluorite Eyes Song

      Hyouka (skip the ova)

      Belle

      Trigun

      ACCA: 13 Territory Inspection Dept. (may be a bit boring for a teenager)

      Mushishi (also may be boring for a teenager)

      Nichijou

      Bocchi the Rock

      Weathering With You

      Haibane Renmei (very heavy emotional themes, bit of violence in the first episode, some references to self harm)

      Bakumatsu Kikansetsu Irohanihoheto

      Moribito

      Nausicaä of the Valley of the Wind

      The entirety of Studio Ghibli’s work

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    I tried watching Dragon Ball but couldn’t take that old guy sexualizing a teen. Explicitly saying he wanted to touch her boobs

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    Would Friren count? Romance of the two teens are age appropriate for them. And two dudes that are enamoured with older women, but I think that’s it.

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      I’m waiting for the canonical reason why the female elves look like children while the one male elf we’ve met is drawn like a grown man. And I really hope it’s not that their brain outpaces their body because then we’re in the “5000 year old witch in a child’s body” trope.

      If this is addressed in the manga, no spoilers plz beyond a simple “Yes, it is.”

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        I’d assume it’s because the only male elf is older? Idk this feels like looking for inappropriate intentions because you want there to be one.

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          I’m sorry if my critical exploration of anime I enjoy makes you feel defensive but I literally just explained why I think that would be the worst reason. Don’t worry no one’s canceling Freiren, we’re just having a chat.

          “Adult elf bodies reflect their own self-image” would be pretty cool. Especially for the monk.

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            I mean, we have a sample size of 3 (in the anime anyway), and don’t actually know for certain how old any of them are. The only thing we really know is that Frieren is likely the youngest.

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        The issue is we’ve encountered so few elves that it’s impossible to say really anything about them as a whole. Maybe that is just how female elves look, maybe frieren and serie are just weird, or something else. But either way, we’re basically just going on what little we’ve been shown which could change later.

        Personally though, I don’t actually mind the 1000 years old but looks like a child trope if it’s not using it as an excuse to sexualuzed the character. Which they really aren’t doing here.

        And on the other hand, I also don’t think Frieren looks like a kid. This is pretty common, I’ll see people point out a character who’s a bit short and sometimes flat (though that’s not always the case even) and say that they look like a kid while I don’t see it. So I don’t know if it’s me or what. Serie does look more like a kid to me though.

        But we get back to the fact that she’s not being sexualuzed anyway, so again, I don’t personally take issue with it.

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      If I wanted to be really nitpicky, they do pay extra attention to Fern’s chest after she grows up. And some of the shots can be a little “male pov.” This is not a diss to the show. I really, really enjoyed this series and would absolutely recommend it.

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      It’s got plenty of unhealthy relationships but addressing and untangling those relationships is like, the core of the plot so yeah I think it for sure passes.

      Edit: Well actually, it does have one kind of contrived sauna scene between two of the women that feels very fan-servicy but is only a minute or so long. And the chest design of the main “monster” is arguably fan service too (There’s even a one-liner gag about it the first time it’s seen). But generally pretty tame and both of those moments are related to a crush one of the characters has.